Optimizing Keeper post Mirrodin

[jpmeyer]

In polychromatic blue-based control matches, I'm siding it out for my REBs because it's the most symmetrical there.  There are still little ways to capitalize on it which still give it use game 1, but I'll be the first to admit that it isn't an utter bomb.

[Eastman]

A lot of people have been asking, so here's my current decklist...I don't have much time to get into it now but I'm sure the argument about Scepter/Chalice will continue. I like them both- I like this deck I'm posting below a lot. It's really strong. I've never played a keeper build that felt this consistent.  


Lands
        3 Volcanic Island
        1 Strip Mine
        1 Library of Alexandria
        3 Underground Sea
        4 Polluted Delta
        4 Wasteland
        3 Tundra
        1 Tolarian Academy
        6 SoLoMoxen

The rest of it
        2 Gorilla Shaman
        4 Brainstorm
        3 Cunning Wish
        1 Ancestral Recall
        1 Time Walk
        1 Mystical Tutor
        1 Yawgmoth's Will
        1 Demonic Tutor
        4 Force of Will
        4 Mana Drain
        3 Chalice of the Void
        2 Decree of Justice
        4 Accumulated Knowledge
        2 Isochron Scepter
        1 Balance
//  Sideboard:
SB:  1 Fire/Ice
SB:  1 Misdirection
SB:  1 Shattering Pulse
SB:  1 Skeletal Scrying
SB:  4 Red Elemental Blast
SB:  1 Vampiric Tutor
SB:  1 Disenchant
SB:  1 Hurkyl's Recall
SB:  1 Coffin Purge
SB:  1 Swords to Plowshares
SB:  1 Stifle
SB:  1 Circle of Protection: Red


I'll be around on the morrow to argue a bit more.\n\n

[Maxx Matt]

One note on a card that I'm toying to use in Keeper side to stop Red Based Decks at all:

Sphere of Law in spite of Cirlce o Protection.

Usually one or two circle are not enough to get Tempo Advantage from his multiple treat not because there are spells that goes arounf CoP:Red, but only because it is Mana Intensive

Sphere Stop Me From Using Mana and Keeping Damages from

-Pillar ( greatest treat right now )
-Every Red Dorks  except Piledriver ,  but i can deal with it woth StP and Fire
-Every Burn Deals ONLY one damage and I should even consider them about my need of countering something

So at least I have to Must counter ONLY 2 Spell:

-Fireblast ( If Used... )
-PoP
Every other Spell isn't Even Considered... This card seems Huge to me. It Keep you high on free mana for doing Any other Sligh Hate but keep me alive and safe with too few execpion to be brutally not considered.


What do you think? Think that Pillar his the most fearest among Sligh's spell and I lose too much from It Even Packing Cotv for Dorks and Disenchant for Blood Moon and Pillar.

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What I have realized playing with KeeperChalice is that it is the strongest form of keeper Right now.
Maybe, with the weeks running, every players would have been learned how to Bypass them all.
And I expect Keeper's Mirror or "Scepter's Mirror" to become more and more popular.. so...
At that time I would come back with a Solid NO Scepter, NO CotV Version of Keeper with a Huge Number of Artifact Hate to support the changing Field, because CotV is Bad agaisnt Workshop AND Mirror and Scepters are too slow compared with Skeletal

my 2 cents

[Toad]

Eastman, considering you have no maindeck spot removal in your build, how often have you scooped to a first turn Metalworker, or to a Goblin Welder ?

Accumulated Knowledge is way to slow without Intuition to abuse, and you can't add Intuitions in Keeper because there is simply no room for that. You are turning Keeper into a bad Hulk. Hulk can afford to run no spot removal against aggro decks, because its win condition is a built-in spot removal. Impulse won't draw you cards, but is far superior to Accumulated Knowledge because Keeper wants to dig into solutions and silver bullets.

[Zherbus]

Closed. Thread is quite long and unwieldy.