Dülmen Top8

[Womprax]

Dülmen Top8 decks

YEAH THERE ARE MORPGHLINGS IN #1 and 7

[Hyperion]

In the SB of the #2 deck (Hulk) is the Starstorm actually that or should it be a Firestorm?

[Womprax]

Starstorm

[Dr. Sylvan]

Intruder Alarm Affinity. I'm not sure how to react to that.

[Dozer]

Intruder Alarm Affinity. I'm not sure how to react to that.

Show it to Ben Bleiweiss and say "hey look... innovation!"

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Looks like we have come full circle... is Morphling still the best creature? I'm intrigued by this T8.

2 Ravager decks (one with Intruder Alarm combo, one as Affinity)
1 Hulk (w/ red)
3 4cControl (2 with Morphling instead of Angel)
1 Dragon
1 Belcher

That is what I call balanced.

Note that all decks who could except for Hulk (and (naturally) Belcher & Ravager) had 2 or 3 Null Rods in their sideboard.

79 people is a real attendance low... Where've they all been?

[Kowal]

is Morphling still the best creature?

No.  Some people just suck.

Morphling in no way can change tempo like Angel, and Angel permits running otherwise risky cards like Skeletal Scrying.

[Mon, Goblin Chief]

is Morphling still the best creature?

No. Some people just suck. Morphling in no way can change tempo like Angel, and Angel permits running otherwise risky cards like Skeletal Scrying.

Actually, no those guys don't suck. Benjamin has won Dülmen three times this YEAR so far.
Morphling was not suckyness, it was a metagame decision (I talked to the guys). Last Dülmen was chock-full with 4CControl decks. And in that matchup Morphling can be a lot better than Angel, because everybody is playing lots of StPs but only Balance to kill good old superman. And Morphlings laughs at Angel if both are on the table.
That way Morphling gives you the late game advantage in the mirror and the mirror WILL have a lategame.
I personally wouldn't run that (Aggro should get really bad), but it is a nice idea for the mirror anyway. No need to bash players because they have strange ideas. They might work. [/u]

[Jacob Orlove]

Last Dülmen was chock-full with 4CControl decks. And in that matchup Morphling can be a lot better than Angel, because everybody is playing lots of StPs but only Balance to kill good old superman. And Morphlings laughs at Angel if both are on the table.

Isn't Decree of Justice just better than both in that case?

[Mon, Goblin Chief]

Last Dülmen was chock-full with 4CControl decks. And in that matchup Morphling can be a lot better than Angel, because everybody is playing lots of StPs but only Balance to kill good old superman. And Morphlings laughs at Angel if both are on the table.

Isn't Decree of Justice just better than both in that case?

Well, Morphling also allows you (like Angel) to just drop it relatively early (say of a Drain for 2) and the current 4CControl has no good way to remove it. Decree just gives you like 3-4 1/1 beaters, which can be kept in check by Angel. If Morphling hits, the opponent can start dominating the game in any way he likes to, Morphling will most probably still finish him up.
I'm not sure that it'll play out that way, but as a Metagame-choice he MIGHT work really well (after all, I haven't played Morphling since like a year ago or something). I'd never want to run it because Superman is so much worse vs anything but the mirror. It does solve the WW and blue card count problem, though.

[MaxxMatt]

I think that we should not exclude the necessity of Ribbeck to rise a bit the number of Blu Cards in the maindeck to support FoW in a better way.
They have 18 maindeck Blue cards if we exclude Morphling and IMHO they are not so much. 20 is the right number to support FoW with a more than decent consistency.

They use 28 mana sources.
This is IMHO the biggest difference among these 2 decks and the 4C-Angels-Control.

But I think that in field filled with Control Decks ( not Hulk of course ) it should be a good choice.

Someone knew other particulars about the Swiss Matchup of the Top8ers?
It seem strange to me that the Hulk Build that placed second, would have lost agaisnt a 4C-Control with so many mana fonts ( =dead draws... ), if they faced each other during the tourney.

[Shades]

@MaxxMatt: There is only the Swiss round, no Top 8 or something like that.

I think there were about 6-7 Hulks in Dulmen this time, but only one managed to top 8.

Carsten and me were playing Smmenens maindeck card-by-card and we both finished 4-3 .

I lost two mirrors and vs. Ankh Gobbos...I was about three times mana flooded in one of the mirrors, I had a beautifuel starting 7 with lotus, crypt, Demonic, Duress, AK. But I drew 8 lands from the top and lost horribly.

I can't imagine how you want to draw good with this deck, sometimes you draw like a god, like I did vs. Sui, when I killed him after he just said Swamp -> go, but other times(or most of the time)I just drew mana after mana. And what  I really missed was one card: Balance!
Maybe I'm just a bad Hulk player, but I think this deck draws too inconsistent.

[Toad]

GermBus addict.
<3

[Shades]

Yeah, I think I am a Keeper player nothing else .

[MaxxMatt]

I can't imagine how you want to draw good with this deck, sometimes you draw like a god, like I did vs. Sui, when I killed him after he just said Swamp -> go, but other times(or most of the time)I just drew mana after mana. And what  I really missed was one card: Balance!
Maybe I'm just a bad Hulk player, but I think this deck draws too inconsistent.

If I remember well, the Smmemen build is 24 mana fonts, while the Germbus that placed 1st and 7th have 28!!!! mana fonts( correct me if I'm wrong ).
Playing a bit of "menthal magic", I thought that if these 2 builds faced each other, one ( 4c-control ) have 4 crucial spells ( drawers ) less than the other ( hulk ). This is the comparation that I tried to do some lines above.
In Italy ( this is my friends/mine experience ), our last builds, packed 22-23 mana fonts and they lose a lot ( because of screw and denial ) only against MUD and Stacker-Monobrown decks. So even if it is difficult to accept ( even for me of course... ), this configuration seemed to work well, in the proper metagame.

I prefer 4C-Control for some "playstile" cards/possible choices/flexibilty, but I'm sure that, facing good players playing Hulk, if both play/draw in a nearly equal way,  is really challenging/difficult to win even for a very good Keeper player ( IMHO ). Hulk as a stronger drawers position that isn't influenced by luck ( as in the mirror ) and it doesn't have dead cards even during game 1 ( StP are horrible... ). But this is my experience, so for these reasons, I'm a bit interdicted when I see Keeper-4C-Control do so well when there are  good Hulk players/build all around.


In my experience Germbus usually do Top8 easier than Hulk, but when playing the Top8, the high rate of good decks switch the previous position, and Hulk usually win alot more tourneys than 4C-Control.
The lack of Top8 ( and consequently the possibilty of winning the entire tourney without facing your worst matchup... ) is one of the reason behind those beatifull 4C-Control  results ( that I play my own, because it is IMHO the funniest/trickiest/bestchallenging deck to play and the game NEED some "good challenges" to continue to be played over and over... ) .