B/R List

[Zherbus]

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dci/announce/dci20040901a

Go Go Type 1.5 having its own shizzle.

[Smmenen]

Vintage (formerly known as Type 1)

Braingeyser is unrestricted
Doomsday is unrestricted
Earthcraft is unrestricted
Fork is unrestricted

And now 1.5 is seperated from T1.  AND BAZAAR IS BANNED In that format.

[xrizzo]

Great, I just finished reading through 9 pages on the other thread, only to come to the end with ideas to post, and find it locked...

Basically, our metagame was unaffected.  (good news)  I am glad to see the four easily unrestrictable cards available - but we will enjoy 3 more months of solid metagames, and various decks occupying the top 8s worldwide.

Although I am not a big 1.5 guy, I appreciate that our B/R list will no longer be influenced by their format...  what a great day for vintage!

[urza_insane]

Now the question is, will anybody be able to re-break the cards that were taken off the restricted list? Are any of these cards going to make any huge differences? At first glace it seems as though these cards will only add to casual decks (doomsday.dec, squirrels). However at first glace most people said Crucible was a horrible card   . You never know...

[pox_reborn]

Doomsday seems like an interesting choice. I thought Wizards would just play safe and keep it restricted.

Freaking voltaic key has to go though.

Edit: I think they killed all the tier 1  1.5 decks in one swoop

[Klep]

Workshop was left alone. Now you can all shut up about it for another 3 months. Please.

[Suckamouf37]

Sweet merciful crap.  They actually listened to us.  

And, thankfully, they didn't restrict any Workshop silliness either.

DCI = OK by me.

[Whatever Works]

Im very happy with the T1 changes, but the changes to type 1.5 (though they are good for that format), kinda scare the hell out of me in a odd way. It just looks like type 1.5 is the new "testing zone" for what could possibly be restricted in type 1. almost EVERY single card disccussed in type 1 as being possibly being restrictable is gone in that format (workshop/Bazaar/mana drain/etc.) What happens in that format might be semi-telling on what happens in this format. I know that the format doesnt have power etc. to its decks, but it can give a sense in the direction WoTC might want to take the game...

Its nice to see that they actually put a bit of time into its ignored stepchild formats.

Kyle

[jpmeyer]

Im very happy with the T1 changes, but the changes to type 1.5 (though they are good for that format), kinda scare the hell out of me in a odd way. It just looks like type 1.5 is the new "testing zone" for what could possibly be restricted in type 1. almost EVERY single card disccussed in type 1 as being possibly being restrictable is gone in that format (workshop/Bazaar/mana drain/etc.) What happens in that format might be semi-telling on what happens in this format. I know that the format doesnt have power etc. to its decks, but it can give a sense in the direction WoTC might want to take the game...

Its nice to see that they actually put a bit of time into its ignored stepchild formats.

To be fair, most of the cards they just banned in 1.5 are cards that are banned in Extended.

[The Grim Reaper]

Holy crap this is the day we've all been waiting for! They finally made T1 and 1.5 different b/r lists! Unrestrictions are great! Yay!!

[Whatever Works]

Im very happy with the T1 changes, but the changes to type 1.5 (though they are good for that format), kinda scare the hell out of me in a odd way. It just looks like type 1.5 is the new "testing zone" for what could possibly be restricted in type 1. almost EVERY single card disccussed in type 1 as being possibly being restrictable is gone in that format (workshop/Bazaar/mana drain/etc.) What happens in that format might be semi-telling on what happens in this format. I know that the format doesnt have power etc. to its decks, but it can give a sense in the direction WoTC might want to take the game...

Its nice to see that they actually put a bit of time into its ignored stepchild formats.

To be fair, most of the cards they just banned in 1.5 are cards that are banned in Extended.

Your right, but its still discomforting. Im still just so relieved that workshop didnt touch the list (though i was fairly confident that it wouldnt), because i have a playset and it would be disheartening to know i would lose about $400 in card value as they would fall easily to less then $50 each.

Kyle

[Sheik al Kaji]

Now, Earthcraft and Entomb were restricted in the first place for the reason of "1.5".

With the Blessed Devide become reality, Earthcraft was removed from the list where it had no place.

But, I believe we're in for some justification for Entomb's remaining on the list.

Granted it's a tutor, but so is Rector, Intuition, LD's Vault, etc., and there needs to be official explination that isn't "1.5".

Also, Smmemen's gonna have to revise his criteria for restricted cards.

[Necrologia]

I'm all for the split, but did anyone else notice that LED, Burning Wish, and Chrome MOx are 4x of in 1.5? Is long getting another chance to show how br0ken it really is? It loses Will but still has Dark Ritual, and ESG, while everything else in the format got crushed (Drain, Workshop, etc).

[BreathWeapon]

Holy Shit, they unrestricted Doomsday? Doesn't that just scream Mono-B Dragon? I figured they'd unrestrict the sedate cards like Stroke of Genious, Brain Geyser, Fork and Regrowth etc, but Doomsday is REALLY the card to take notice of.

[Tha Gunslinga]

WTF is with Metalworker?  Was it really that dangerous?  Earthcraft's price zooms, in other news...

[Lybydose]

I'm all for the split, but did anyone else notice that LED, Burning Wish, and Chrome MOx are 4x of in 1.5? Is long getting another chance to show how br0ken it really is?

What are you going to burning wish for?

[hulk3rules]

Yeah, I'm also kind of wondering why Entomb remains on the type 1 restricted list.  Seems that it would get unrestricted along with earthcraft

[Sheik al Kaji]

Let's all ignore Wizard's mistake of forgetting about unrestricting Entomb and play like they did. That'll show 'em.

[pox_reborn]

@ necrologia

 Long.dec with No will+ power= sad neutered puppy


Frankly theirs no use for extended anymore with 1.5 having close to the same banned list. 1.5 should just replace extended.

[Hi-Val]

WTF at the huge axe that fell on the 1.5 list! Skullclamp, Recruiter, HERMIT DRUID!!!.

I like easing up on cards that are restricted for silly reasons though. I, for one, welcome our new squirrel overlords.

[theorigamist]

I'm so tempted to try and break Doomsday, but Slaver is too scary.

At least AoS is back?

[Sagath]

First of all, the changes to t1 were well done. Couple more unrestrictions and its rockin'. But I'm happy

I think they did this for a reason with 1.5. I fully expect that 1.5 will become a PTQ format since there is no 'broken' money cards left. Theres still plenty of money cards usable( go go my 4 Juzam, NetherVoid.dec!), but none that I deem broken.

It looks fun actually. I might even give it a try!

[BreathWeapon]

Ok, in all honesty does any one think that Burning Wish deserves to be on the Banned List? Considering that Death Wish immediately took its place in Long and Steve managed to T8 with it at Gencon, Burning Wish really does look odd on the B&R list. I'm willing to bet that if we went back in time and used Death Wish in place of Burning Wish in the original Long lists they'd be just as strong, if not stronger, based on its synergy with Dark Ritual, an expanded Wish Board and the removal of Chromatic Sphere for ESG or other suitable Mana Accelerants.

Any Takers?.

[brendan]

Can anyone explain why Land Tax got the axe in 1.5? The rest I can understand, but Land Tax doesn't make sense to me.

[KSesler]

Now that fork is unrestricted, it will be interesting to see if it actually now sees USE in any decks.

[Sagath]

Can anyone explain why Land Tax got the axe in 1.5? The rest I can understand, but Land Tax doesn't make sense to me.

I assume you didnt play when landtax was unrestricted then

Removing 3 lands from your deck and adding them to your hand is some good. Deckthinning to draw more spells plus giving you the land to cast the spells. Its like an uber fetchland every turn! Theres a reason Wayfarers bauble is played in t2, and Landax is some much better. I wouldnt call it broken, but its definatly 'excellent'

[Necrologia]

Can anyone explain why Land Tax got the axe in 1.5?

Because Wizards was afraid Parfait would overrun the new 1.5 environment. It does hose aggro pretty hard. /mild sarcasm.

Bleh. Long does lose more than I thought. There's still plenty of fast mana though, and Returns/Fact/Thirst so there has to be a vaguely Longish/Tendrils build out there waiting to be built. Guess it's time to get the ol' Magic Workstation running again.

[brendan]

I played when Land Tax was still legal in Type 2. There is a very big difference in the power of the card pool between current 1.5 and T2 when 4th edition was legal.

I find it wierd that Land Tax got the axe while Doomsday, Intuition and Survival did not. Not that I'm saying those cards should have been axed, I just don't see how Land Tax belongs on the list.

[goober]

1.5 Belcher  8===================D~~~

Awesome unrestrictions and seperations.  January banning of Belcher predicted.

[Diakonov]

Ok, in all honesty does any one think that Burning Wish deserves to be on the Banned List? Considering that Death Wish immediately took its place in Long and Steve managed to T8 with it at Gencon, Burning Wish really does look odd on the B&R list. I'm willing to bet that if we went back in time and used Death Wish in place of Burning Wish in the original Long lists they'd be just as strong, if not stronger, based on its synergy with Dark Ritual, an expanded Wish Board and the removal of Chromatic Sphere for ESG or other suitable Mana Accelerants.

Any Takers?.

Didn't Steve run Mono-Blue at Gen Con?

As for Death Wish being better than Burning Wish, I'd say that's a tough argument to push.  If it really was just as good, Death Long would be nearly as strong as the original Long, which it isn't.  There is definitely synergy with ritual, but I'd take the lower/red mana cost any day.