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Author Topic: Planning a Sideboard for 4cc, but cant find any Flametongues  (Read 2693 times)
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« on: September 28, 2004, 11:23:33 am »

First of all, I will spare you the rundown of the decklist, but I am more or less playing the exact same deck as my local gaming friend (what I mean by friend is that I see him regularly and interact with him, but am otherwise an independent player that enjoys to netdeck and use what typically copy what wins tournaments- there.  is that good enough for you shallow jerk?), Klep.  I really was addicted to Landstill for more than a year,  but wanted to have a little change.  Luckily, I have everything for 4cc/Keeper/Germbus - whatever you wanna call the deck and proxy the power 9.   The problem though is that I am stuck because I am unable to easily locate anyone with flametongue kavus and I can no longer buy them from my buddies when I am at the tournament since our store implemented a No Card Sales Between Players policy.  So that no flaming is involved over this, I should let people know that I have not played regular magic in 5 months
For the time being,  this is what I got:


1 Disenchant
1 Coffin Purge
1 Stifle
1 Blue Elemental Blast
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Pyroblast - Meddling mage has growing popularity in my area.  I normally would run 1 more REB here, but this often is not able to be done since we have a few players who like their blue/black/white apocalypse control decks.  
1 Rack and Ruin
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Fire/Ice
1 Gush
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Skeletal Scrying

2 blank slots that I am trying to work with.  Some ideas include:

1.  Damping Matrix - heavy artifact prison decks here
2.  Time Stop - gotta find these, but they look nifty
3.  Thrashing Wumpus - its a 3/3 for 3BB that can get rid of weenies.  its usually doubtful that I win by a decree of justice and I am more likely to win with Exalted Angels
4.  Grip of Amnesia - I regularly ran this in Landstill and found that it not only was a counterspell that could draw a card, but the alternative of removing the opponent's graveyard seemed to hose Dragon and Workshop decks
5.  Hurkyl's Recall - I own 9 of these and could see some use in my area versus Null Rod
6.  Psychatog - I love these things, but am unsure about having enough card advantage to make use of Super Grover/Godzilla
7.  Energy Flux - once again, heavy threats in the area involving Workshop decks
8.  Oath of Druids/Gaea's Blessing - these could be sided in to replace the Gorilla Shaman and something else
9.  Mana Web - some say this is a useful tech for the deck.  it seemed to work okay main deck, but I usually sided this out
10. Darksteel Colossus - its big, it costs a ton, and when I was able to tinker one, it usually won the game

any advice would be reccomended, especially for those more familiar with 4 color control to help this landstill addict out before he goes back for some more hits from his landstill crack deck


Finally, I will be glad to trade for or buy the card if you live in the Blacksburg, Va area. If you can help a brotha out, feel free to email me at jshields@vt.edu
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2004, 12:33:01 pm »

You could also try a Tormod's Crypt.  Very Happy

Oh and I sent you an email.  Twisted Evil
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2004, 09:28:17 pm »

With so many Darksteel Collussus running around, it couldn't hurt to add a few more StP.
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2004, 09:32:16 pm »

While the BB in the casting cost is really rough, Thrashing Wumpus is still a really cool looking idea.
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2004, 09:34:33 pm »

meh
when i saw that in the post, i only thought of one thing

goddamn i don't own freaking  thrashing wumpi[/img]
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2004, 12:13:05 am »

I have some extra FtKs if you want to trade something small for them. If you are on MOTL I could use another ref.
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2004, 10:14:24 am »

Tormod's Crypt, another StP, Null Rod, or Dampening Matrix wouldfit in there.
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2004, 12:41:35 pm »

I've been running Slice and Dice in a board sans FTKs with much success (fish and FCG.meta). Then again I don't run any Decrees. Starstorm is another card I've been toying with because it's wishable and has the same basic effect but is easier to scale.
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2004, 06:57:41 pm »

Well, its been a ballbuster semester and I am still in love with the Thrashing Wumpus idea.  Also, I have been looking at other posts about the idea of upping the decrees and possibly reducing the angel amount and think that it may be good for my local control heavy metagame.  The other thing I tried was Tinker + Darksteel colossus, which worked well when I played the deck in the past since the Stax player no longer plays Stax.  

Now.... for the Thrashing Wumpus.... I am still working on these, but believe that they could be a good card somewhere in the sideboard as although I have now found the additional FTK's, they are not nearly as useful in certain matchups (stax, possibly 4cc, weenies, aggro, welders) as the Thrashing Wumpus can be.  At best, this would probably get a single slot in my sideboard, but for now, I am still tinkering around with my deck.

Well, back to school and sorry if considering you a friend, Klep, was so offending to you.
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2004, 07:54:04 pm »

With those two slots remaining... I would use 1 STP and 1 Cranial Extraction.
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2004, 08:11:04 am »

Control Magics will probably be better anyway.
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2004, 06:28:44 pm »

That idea that you mentioned Zherbus sounds pretty good.  I really want to get back to playing Type 1 as soon as I can get caught up with my school work and think those could be pretty cool.  

Also, I have tried this before in a Landstill design, but do you think that one could also use Desertion as a possibility for the FTK's since they cost 1 colorless more, but can counter any spell but you get control of any creature or artifact spell that is countered by Desertion.
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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2004, 06:32:00 pm »

Moved to newbie.
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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2004, 10:15:45 am »

I always liked plagiarize =)  I know its silly but when you snag someones brainstorm, you draw 3 they put back 2?  /chuckle
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