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« on: April 30, 2005, 01:45:51 am »

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i find this very wrong..... you may not share the same view as i do but please take the time to read this....

edward p. beard Jr. was recently fired by wizards of the coast...:-/
here is a link to magic library about it:
http://www.magiclibrary.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=information-news;action=display;num=1112519799

On Saturday April 30th 2005
i will be at the waterbury tournement carrying around a petition supporting ED.
im jeff anand's girlfriend incase you didnt know..... ill be around, i wont bite so come over
and sign it for yourselves and ed.

thanks for your time

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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2005, 04:23:56 am »

Nah, screw that.

I don't particularly enoy his art, for one thing (not that it's bad or anything, it's just not up my alley). For another, people get fired all the time. It's not my job to try and save them. The whole 'protest and survive' thing is sooo seventies, and I'd make a lousy hippie. And lastly, where were all youse when they booted my favorite artist, Drew Tucker?

Besides, I couldn't have signed your petition if I wanted to, so no real loss there Wink
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2005, 05:37:20 am »

Nah, screw that.

I don't particularly enoy his art, for one thing (not that it's bad or anything, it's just not up my alley). For another, people get fired all the time. It's not my job to try and save them. The whole 'protest and survive' thing is sooo seventies, and I'd make a lousy hippie. And lastly, where were all youse when they booted my favorite artist, Drew Tucker?

Besides, I couldn't have signed your petition if I wanted to, so no real loss there Wink

Wow Bram ...
Choosing not to sign it, then posting about it, and trying to mock someone's way of life isn't very cool at all ...

Bram =! cool
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2005, 05:50:41 am »

Hang on, hang on. For one thing, I never claimed to be cool. Carl is cool, I am Dutch. There's a (slight) difference. But that's not the point.

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Choosing not to sign it, then posting about it, and trying to mock someone's way of life isn't very cool at all ...

There's several things in there I have issues with. I'm assuming you mean all three activities are 'uncool'  and not so much the combionation of the three. With that in mind:

1. Why is choosing not to sign it uncool? I couldn't care less if he continues to do artwork or not. I've a lot of artist friends who don't do artwork for WotC and they get by just fine. If Wizards chooses to terminate the contract of an artist I have no particular love for, I'd say choosing not to sign a petition is a valid choice. Do you go around signing petitions if they wanna fire the guy at the post office? I didn't think so. I thought about the petition, and rejected the idea.

2. So why shouldn't I post about it? Is it politically incorrect? Screw that, too. I could be all like 'oh man where's the <3' but that's not me. I gave my honest optinion on the subject at hand. Is there some new policy on these boards that you can only post in threads that you agree with? If so, I must've missed it.

3. Where am I mocking anyone's lifestyle? I assume you're referring to the hippie comment. I simply stated two facts:
a. protesting and petitioning is a very seventies activity. If you disagree, watch any documentary about that decade, or ask your parents.
b. I mentioned I'd make a lousy hippie. Which is true. I'd be like the worst hippie ever. I'd be the anti-hippie.
I seriously don't see how either of these comments 'mock anyone's lifestyle'.

Nowhere did I say or mean to imply that YOU shouldn't sign the petition. If you love his artwork, or just enjoy signing petitions, by all means: go ahead. More power to ya. I'm not boycotting this thing or anything. I'm just saying it's not me. [forest]And that's all I have to say about that. [/forest]
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<BR4M> I like that. which half of god do you believe in?
<j_orlove> the half that tells me how to live my life
<j_orlove> but not the half that tells me how others should live theirs

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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2005, 05:56:38 am »

I have no wishes to make this an arguement.
Especially on a message board ... lol

Yer dutch?
That makes you super uncool!

Bram == Super Uncool

heh Wink
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2005, 09:01:25 am »

come on guys, this isnt fighting thing..  i was expresing my view because ed is a friend of jeff's and mine, thats why i disagree, and bram when your fave artist got "canned" i wasnt around, and i would have done the same thing. magic atists are just like us, they dont deserve to be fired and neither do we.

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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2005, 09:27:09 am »

Dyannah is awesome. Know what? I'll devote my sig to it.

I recieved a couple of PM's from people who were upset because of what I said. I thought about it some more and maybe I was a bit harsh.I still stand behind my sentiments, but if Edward wants to continue working for WotC, who am I to stand in his way? The Rebecca Guay petition at least proves that, unlike say the card layout change, this is something we can change. Plus, I didn't know he was a friend of yours. Helping out a friend is always tech. Nothing too special in my current signature anyway, so what the hell Wink

Maybe you should make an online petition, too.
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2005, 11:50:51 pm »

The fuck with it, I'm on. And it's not because I like his art, because I'm not fond of it and I don't even play anymore, but because of the reason why they are firing him, supposedly the new art director, Cranford, said his style was too much classic fantasy, and they were looking for more edgy, obscure things, more matrix meets MtG, and stuff like that.

I don't play anymore, but I do still care about the game, and the direction they are taking with it's art is scary and shitty. No fucking way.
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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2005, 01:10:37 am »

I don't pretend to know the inner workings of the WotC Art Department, but it seems to me that this Cranford guy is pretty bad for the game. He's the same guy that "laid-off" Guay, and I personally think that Mirrodin block was the worst block artwise in a long time. All the art for Equipment was super-shitty. It was just blades and axes floating on a blank background for 95% of them, which is just awful direction. You could at least portray the weapons in action. To the best of my recollection, only very few did this, and even then it was only vaguely (See Banshee's Blade and Nightmare Lash).
I'll admit, Kamigawa block has some nifty art, but some of it is still "meh." I have a feeling that the Japanese artists they brought in, namely Ittoku, are sharing a lot of the art direction duties to make sure it has the right "feel."

That said, I was never head-over-heels about Beard Jr., but I certainly didn't hate him. I see no reason why he shouldn't keep his job. Plus, he's a local artist (to me), and getting stuff signed by him is really easy, as he makes a lot of public appearances, so that's cool of him.
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2005, 11:56:19 am »

Actually, I liked Bonesplitter's art, precisely BECAUSE it didn't show the thing in action. One of the worst ideas to ever touch Magic art is the notion that cramming as much action into every single picture is a good thing. That mindset is part of why they fired Guay, and why we don't see (m)any non-literal art pieces anymore (think Stasis).
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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2005, 08:19:23 am »

I'd like to start by saying that I was fortunate enough to have the time to get to know Ed Beard when myself and Samite roomed with him at Gencon last summer. I had always been fond of his artwork, but what really impressed me about him was his approachable personality and dedication for his fans. Just prior to winning the Vintage World Championship Ed drew a badass picture of a Raven Farmiliar on Windfall's playmat free of charge. The fact that he's a regular at large magic events for signings as well as ALWAYS at Gencon and Origins shows his dedication and respect for his magic playing fan base. I consider Ed to be one of the classic magic artists which the new art directors are trying to phase out and this saddens me greatly. I really think Wizards is losing touch with what the fanbase wants from it's artwork and that's why I think it's important that we support artists like Ed when art directors fire whomever they please without considering what the magic community thinks about it. I encourage everybody and anybody who dislikes where Wizards is taking it's artwork within the game to voice their support for Ed.

I wrote to Ed and got the following response back:

Greetings Mike,

I have been away at a Ren faire for the past month or so and have not had access to this or any forum.

I am now back and would first and foremost like to thank all of you who have supported me so vigorously on the many boards.

Jeremy Cranford did absolutely state that R&D did not like my style and even Jeremy said he preferred a different style of art than mine from the get go.

Cranford also told me on the phone when I asked what was R&D's problem with my art that They took my BOP and posted it on the wall with words to the effect that" this is what Magic art should not be like"

Now whether you mix that up to " This is the kind of art we don't want in Magic " or any other blend it's all semantics. But the fact that this was told to me to get the point across to me just how much R&D did not like my work even as far back as the day Cranford took over, this is the real issue here and thus the reason behind why they have decided to not reassigns me for the future sets.

Most of the e-mail is clear. Especially the copied e-mail I had my office manager send Mike which demonstrates how arrogant and disrespectful Jeremy Cranford was.

This whole thing did come as quite a surprise to me however since the last e-mail I received from Mr. Cranford was to tell me that they loved my last submission. But when I called to ask what the schedule was and was told I was not on the schedule things clearly had changed. It was not my final color either as it was right up their with my usual highly detailed larger magic works...of course that could be the problem?

I think the bottom line here is this current group of R&D wants their stable of their favorites you know the Kev Walkers, RK Post , Moeler, England ...Puddinhead?

I am synonymous with the original AD and team due to the fact that I have been doing art for the company since 1993 and more importantly been attending just about every pre release and world tour they have had. I have been a diligent supporter of the product and an ambassador for the game for nearly 11 years. I am at Gen Con and Origins in both artist and art director capacity.

This all translates to a large fan base and a pain in the ass to get rid of easily without what clearly has happened, the outcry from the great and supportive fans I have built up over the many years and still acquire from the younger players even now.

My god I have received copies of over 1500 signatures in petition form from Promoters of tournaments and premier dealers who I have at one time or another supported by going to their stores and signed autographs for their clientele sometimes for 14 hours straight just to make sure every kid got one.

Just this week alone I came back to 23 envelopes with requests to sign cards and letters of support.

So it's clearly NOT the opinion of any magic players I have seen or heard from that would support the R&D teams notion that the players and fans of the game do not like my art in the set.

Clearly this and the wizards boards has established that.

This is all about some kind of a power trip and an arrogance that R&D and the AD has that they will not be dictated to what art the dealers, players and customers want to see. If this was not the case they certainly would not have dropped me and more importantly they would have come immediately forward with apologies for the error in their judgment and accepted what you the players and fans have want to see with regards to art in Magic.

This has been at the very least an embarrassment to the company.

Imagine how R&D and the AD will feel when I go to RI at the end of this summer to accept the induction into the hall of fame for RI artists lifetime achievement award... I was just nominated last year due to my 25 plus years of fantasy art publications and being a native Rhode Islander. This means the governor and the committee for the arts will have a big dinner it will get front page news and television.

I will be interviewed for the Providence Journal and asked what I am currently doing in the field. They all know that Hasbro the parent company for WOTC is located right their in Pawtucket RI and they will ask me why I am not working for Magic. I will of course tell them the truth.

You know how embarrassed the owners of Hasbro will be and the bad PR that will generate when a RI company allowed a few power hungry R&D kids to blow of an 11 year veteran artist and now Hall of famer. Bad PR for Hasbro. In fact the Governor and many high powered officials who know with the Hassenfelts ( spelling?) have already contacted me about this issue because their grandkids play Magic and love my art. More importantly like me as I have always taken great care of my young fans and their kid tell them so. ( My Father was a US Congressman for over a decade and politic in RI is close net)

So in the end the best way all of you can help me NOW is to get the facts of what is happening over there at WOTC out in the public arena in such places as Inquest magazine and tournaments.

Send you letters or e-mails of support to:

inquestbrent@hotmail.com and inquisition@wizarduniverse.com

INQUEST WANTS TO HEAR FROM YOU AND IS WILLING TO DO AN ARTICLE IF THEY HEAR FROM MY FANS LOUD ENOUGH.

PLEASE SUPPORT ME , IT WILL ONLY TAKE A MOMENT .

Yes WOTC board moderators did threaten anyone who continues to post supportive " Grass roots" e-mails for ED Beard would eventually be removed. Pretty desperate I'd say when they have to close threads to stifle the masses because they can't stand the heat of their employees being flamed over bad moves.

Hey folks, I am professional Illustrator and have always maintained a reputation of being good with the wonderful people who love and support my art, that's not going to stop. I will be at Original and Gen Con for many years to come. I continue to work in the gaming arena mostly co producing games so WOTC will just have to deal with me being in their face and at every tournament for a long time to come. With over 150 cards to my credit and some still to come for the next several sets this will not be going away for quite a while.

I just feel bad for the dealers, players and fans who financially support the product. You'd think that WOTC would have a better handle on this team in R&D. This is what happens to a company who is left to run itself cart blanc as someone said. The Cat's away the mice will play.

No other company or genre could get away with this sort of bad PR move but this is Hasbro's money machine and until the money shows a drop know one at Hasbro will be any the wiser, well at least not until this fall anyway.

Keep up the good work I can't tell you how great it feels to have such dedicated fans and true support.



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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2005, 09:23:59 pm »

bitter?  :shock:
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2005, 06:29:02 pm »

Anyone that has contact with him, please advise him to be careful in whatever he says.  I like his art and I'd like him to stay on, but if he comes out too strongly against WotC there will be no way he'll get a job back there.
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2005, 11:50:54 am »

Ha ha, I would sign it if I had been there.  Ed's stuff is good.  Any chance you could start up a petition to bring back Amy Weber?  She was great.
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