It's time to have a Serious Discussion about Proxies Again

[Dozer]

Surprisingly, its the lack of specific details that makes me believe that WoTC is, at the absolute very least, considering doing this.  The rumor is that they are considering it, have not decided on it and there is a 50% chance it will happen.

This rumor is neither new nor likely. Talking about "50 % chances" is just that -- talk. I wouldn't bet a dime on it until I see it for real. Talking about the Fat Packs: They are also a tool to bring new players into the game. Taking all supplies virtually off the market by making everyone and his sister buy these packs is not a good business strategy if you want to promore the new edition. People would buy the packs for the wrong reason, and I don't see that happening from a marketing perspective. Also consider that new players who buy such a pack are then likely to be ripped off in a way that will haunt them for life unless the pack contains some information about the value of the P9 promo card, and sicne WotC cares about new players, they won't enable such shenenigans.

So forget it, people. Not gonna happen.

Dozer

[Komatteru]

Why on earth would they put a promo P9 card in a fat pack that is supposed to familiarize the buyer with the new set?  Obviously, its some sort of alternate art of a chase rare.

[dandan]

I think some people are missing the point.

The sort of cards we crave are mistakes, abominations, at best products of a naive misunderstanding of how Magic would be played. Asking Wizards to reprint them is like asking the national rapier association to allow Uzi machine guns, can't we understand that their view of what Magic should be about is fundamentally at odds with the sort of cards we want. Whilst there might not be specific legal restrictions preventing them from doing it, the cards we crave are the cards that Wizards would very much like to forget about. Hey, Wizards. Fancy reminding yourselves of when you thought 1 life=1 card boy, Healing Salve was soooooooo as good as Ancestral Recall? Or when a three mana boost cost 0 (and make it any colour just so Blue gets fast mana too)? How about when lands allowed you to draw cards?

Wizards have worked hard to keep Magic interesting whilst making it more playable. Broken stuff happens but only after someone makes it happen. A reprint would be seen as going back over past mistakes, and sending out a message that they have changed direction.

On the other hand, blank Magic cards would be a nod to casual You-Make-the-Card and Vintage players without Wizards feeling they are responsible for a change of policy.

[Jacob Orlove]

On the other hand, blank Magic cards would be a nod to casual You-Make-the-Card and Vintage players without Wizards feeling they are responsible for a change of policy.

Properly peeled foils are not merely similar to blank magic cards, they are blank magic cards. SCG even allows them. I honestly don't see what people are asking for here.

[prosbloom225]

On the other hand, blank Magic cards would be a nod to casual You-Make-the-Card and Vintage players without Wizards feeling they are responsible for a change of policy.

Properly peeled foils are not merely similar to blank magic cards, they are blank magic cards. SCG even allows them. I honestly don't see what people are asking for here.

Properly peeled foils???  You mean like acetoning a card?  I thought SCG only allows basic lands.

Just a little showin off here, My proxies:    http://students.uww.edu/osieckimj21/mtg/005.jpg

[Jacob Orlove]

No, you actually peel off the foil layer, and then draw on the resulting cards (like so).

Your proxies look really good, though. I'd 100% support more people using ones like them (although you could have used a U instant for ancestral, I guess).

[prosbloom225]

Prolly ends up to be a shitty T2 card.  But one can always hope...

[dandan]

On the other hand, blank Magic cards would be a nod to casual You-Make-the-Card and Vintage players without Wizards feeling they are responsible for a change of policy.

Properly peeled foils are not merely similar to blank magic cards, they are blank magic cards. SCG even allows them. I honestly don't see what people are asking for here.

I'm asking for blank Magic cards which is distinct from cards that you can modify to be blank Magic cards. I am asking for a liberal interpretaion of existing DCI rules to allow proxies to be used, those proxies being blank Magic cards and therefore keeping all cards as Magic cards and therefore allowing sanctioning. I'd much rather see a modified blank card than a modified Plains.

[prosbloom225]

No, you actually peel off the foil layer, and then draw on the resulting cards (like so).

Your proxies look really good, though. I'd 100% support more people using ones like them (although you could have used a U instant for ancestral, I guess).

Yea, I doubt that people will put as much time and effort into making their proxies look as good as mine.  I think that the proxies should be readily identifiable as what they are proxying, but still be distinct enough that they look like proxies.  Putting the power into the new cardface really makes that possible.  I hate looking at the old plains and sharpie getups.  Even having blank magic cards wouldn't make it much better because its still just writing on paper.

[dandan]

It depends how 'blank' the cards are. Pure white is good for artists but a blank layout would be pretty cool too.

[Komatteru]

It depends how 'blank' the cards are. Pure white is good for artists but a blank layout would be pretty cool too.

Oh you can have fun with the blank cards: www.rose-hulman.edu/~drobajc/workshop%20proxy.jpg

I don't even consider myself an artist.

[forests failed you]

Also, the World Championship series decks that come out every year for standard come with neat black cards in them with borders and everything.  The ony problem is that they have a different card back.  They are cool for making fun proxies though.