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Question: What is the absolute worst card to unrestrict?
Black Lotus - 45 (54.9%)
Mox Sapphire - 0 (0%)
Ancestral Recall - 8 (9.8%)
Yawgmoth's Will - 9 (11%)
Tinker - 10 (12.2%)
Necropotence - 0 (0%)
Tolarian Academy - 8 (9.8%)
Other (Specify) - 2 (2.4%)
Total Voters: 79

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« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2005, 10:55:07 pm »

I would surmise that a deck with 4 Contracts would be even more ridiculous than a deck with 4 Academies.  You wouldn't need the Academy making all that mana for you to draw all of those cards.
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« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2005, 01:11:07 pm »

I suppose that might be true, but then again, I don't think Contact from Below is a bad card is unrestrict at all, since it isn't restricted in the first place.
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« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2005, 02:19:45 am »

I would surmise that a deck with 4 Contracts would be even more ridiculous than a deck with 4 Academies.  You wouldn't need the Academy making all that mana for you to draw all of those cards.

I think it would be the one card that would be more ridiculous than 4 Lotuses.  Becuase Land, Ritual Contract is going to net you more mana than Lotus and win you the game to boot. 

Since everyone is on this kick of no banning, why don't we just ask Wizards to errata the ante cards to say: if you aren't playing ante, then ignore the ante wording.  That way we could have a restricted Contract. 
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« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2005, 02:27:21 am »

That's "regular speed" mana acceleration. "Mana acceleration" is totally different from "fast mana." Birds of paradise, rampant growth and their copies have always been around, and they have never been considered fast mana. The point of my post is that WotC prints powerful spells in standard that can't be cast quickly enough to make them broken (turn 4? wow, be serious here). Then they come to vintage and they get abused in ways unimaginable before (gifts, slaver).

Is that like the difference between a Mox and Sol Ring?  I'm not really sure what you mean here.  How is a Type 1 deck having say, 6 mana on turn 4 different from a Tooth and Nail deck that has 9?


I think the difference is between cards that are primarily used for immediate mana versus cards that are used to generate more mana for future turns.  His examples of BoP and Wild Growth are used to generate huge amounts of mana for far future turns, whereas Dark Ritual, Elvish Spirit Guide, and even Mana Crypt are used primarily as mana generators for the turn they're played.
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« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2005, 08:58:34 am »

I think it would be the one card that would be more ridiculous than 4 Lotuses.  Becuase Land, Ritual Contract is going to net you more mana than Lotus and win you the game to boot. 

Since everyone is on this kick of no banning, why don't we just ask Wizards to errata the ante cards to say: if you aren't playing ante, then ignore the ante wording.  That way we could have a restricted Contract. 


Except that you essentially would be making a different card by issuing "errata" so the argument is flawed.

Sort of like unbanning and issuing an errata on Chaos Orb to say 2:destroy any permanent in play. This goes against the "spirit" of the card.
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« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2005, 11:40:41 am »

I would surmise that a deck with 4 Contracts would be even more ridiculous than a deck with 4 Academies.  You wouldn't need the Academy making all that mana for you to draw all of those cards.


Since everyone is on this kick of no banning, why don't we just ask Wizards to errata the ante cards to say: if you aren't playing ante, then ignore the ante wording.  That way we could have a restricted Contract. 


Because thats not what the card was for, it was designed to be brutal, only if u were willing to "up the ante".
They would never have made the card otherwise, without the ante thing.

I haveastrong feeling however, that your post wasnt serious!
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