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« on: August 24, 2005, 03:38:42 pm »

So, many of you have heard me talk miles about how great the community of type one players is, and how this is the reason I am still playing magic instead of having just quit after getting out of semi-professional magic.

I witnessed something amazing this past weekend at GenCon.

The weekend started on a great note.  After losing the first tound of the Legacy Champs, I won the next 6 in a row.  What do you do at that point when you find out that you can't draw in.  Simple, you win the last round as well of course.  My top 8 match was SOOOOOOO close and a single change in blockers determined the whole match.  I decided since it was 40 mins away from midnight I would stay up and play in the $500 midnight Vintage event.  The top did not start at 7:00 am like it should have though...we were all so exhausted, we all split $60(the extra going to the kind soul who took out $500 from the bank and split it up for us since Wizards mails the $500 check after the event).

I woke up Friday and bombed the prelim hard core...another fun night including watching a Whose Line Is It Anyway Seminar with Eric and Sarah(the already mentioned girl on these boards whose breast, Roland signed after winning)...and hanging out at the hotel and Saturday morning came.

During the third round of the Vintage Champs, I played the best game ever right outside the hall.  Rules: simple, pick up a 3ft x 3ft x 3ft foam dice, heave it above your head, and while giving your best klingon yell, heave it as far as you can.  I had to drop out after making top 5 cause round 4 was starting.

I was at 2-2 when it happened.  Andy informed me that the deck containing about $3250 worth of cards (a full set of power minus a sapphire) that I had loaned out was missing.  I FLIPPED OUT.  I went to the vendor room and futiley attempted to plead with the vendors to keep an eye out for it.  Now, I normally don't place much faith in the kindness and compassion of Magic vendors, and was not surprised when many of them gave me a very fleeting and unbelievable, "yeah I'll keep an eye out for it," without the desire to actual collect any of my personal info(which in other words meant they would not have done anything even if they did see it).

I went back to the Magic room.  That is where I lost it.  I took my bag with all my other magic cards, kicked the shit out of it, started swearing and threw a shirt I was holding at Jeff Anand(an act which I feel bad about).  I was so mad at the integrity of people in general.  I consider myself a pretty moral person, so it is so frustrating to think that someone could do something so dastardly as stealing something of such value(or any value, for that matter).  At that moment, I hated humanity, and wondered if there was a good decent person left in the world.  I decided I just wanted to go back to the hotel room and sleep.  I was so depressed.

I waited for the shuttle for like 25 minutes.  While I was waiting, an angel in disguise named Mary Jane(and if you are out there Mary Jane, you are an amazing person) asked me if I had a light.

10 seconds of small talk and I told her about my loss.  Then, silence followed.  Now normally, that would have been the end of it, but, at this point I really felt like a dick.  "I'm sorry," I said, "I'm an ass.  I didn't mean to be a downer.  So, are you having fun at the con?"

We talked for the next 20 minutes while I waited.  Mary Jane really helped put things in perspective.  She told me about her neighborhood, and the work she does to make an impact in the lives of the neglected children who live around her.  She had taken one to the con whose life story nearly made me cry.  She told me of her aunt who would rather let her sister die than donate a kidney to her mom who desperately needed one, and how she agreed to go through with the operation.  She told me about how some of the children she would be a sort-of surrogate mother for, would ask to stay at her house, knowing that they would be beat if the went home.  Mary Jane was so selfless and it made me realize, and this is going to sound weird, how lucky I am to even be able to afford power that could be lost. 

It also made me think of a match I had with Steve M. the previous day in the Prelim.  Steve had a lot of stuff on his plate unrelated to magic, and as such wasn't his normal self in our match.  He was really freaking out simply fromd rawing multiple lands in a mtch he was already up a game in.  It was scary, he was turning red, and I really felt worried for him.  One thing I told him, and this is true, is that whenever something small isn't going my way in life(I'm losing a magic game, I stub my toe, I bounce a check, etc.) I just think of a homeless person.  That's it....a homeless person.  Would a homeless person trade with me.  Would he want to trade his life state with mine.  Would he put up with a stubbed toe or manascrew if it meant food and shelter.  YOU BET YOUR ASS HE WOULD.  That always makes me soooooo thankful for the things I do have and puts stuff in perspective.  Its crazy how much we lose sight of how lucky we all are.

On the bus, I think about the important things in life.  Mary Jane talking about her sick relatives made me realize, I need to show my mother I care about her more often, before one day I wake up, and just like the power cards, she is gone.  Also, I realize that as a teacher I have already really impacted some kids and they have touched my heart in return. I know I need to continue to do everything I can to understand where these kids are coming from(broken homes, abusive parents, etc) and do everything in my power to be there for them and help them, just as Mary Jane was a mentor and surrogate parent for alot of the kids in her neighborhood.  I even think about possessions in general, and how it is very scary how much I acquire, and then wonder how it can sometimes be so fleeting.

I get back to the hotel and my head is swimming.  Even though I know I shouldn't be upset about losing my cards as I said above, I still am, and furthermore, I have been wrestling in my mind with alot of deep thinking about what a life lesson this is.  I fall asleep during the first 10 minutes of Lord of the Rings on TV.

RRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNN GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

The phone woke me up.  I looked at my watch as I picked it up and realized I had been sleeping for about 3 and a half hours.  "We found your deck!", Andy said.  I FLIPPED OUT AGAIN.

"Are you serious," I asked.

He confirmed yes, and I almost hung up the phone since obviously this was a dream.

"Oh, and I'm in the finals!" Andy continued.

Now I knew I was dreaming.  I expected at this point for Andy to tell me happily to check the lotto ticket in my pocket, but he did not.  This was no dream.  This was the real deal.

I don't really get the details then since Andy had to go.  I was just amazed that I had the cards again.  The first thing I thought when I hung up the phone. 

-   "Just because you have the cards back, don't lose sight about what you thought about and promised yourself.  More so than ever, be thankful for everything you have in life, and don't miss an opportunity to do something you may regret not doing later.  Life is so fleeting and anything can change in an instant."

I turn on the tv.  Lord of the Rings is just ending.  Holy crap that is a long movie when comercial breaks are added in.

Andy and co.(Kyle L and Scott M) get back to the hotel around 11:30 pm.  They proceed to tell me something that, literally, would have had me in tears if they were not around.  Apparently, everyone and anyone was looking for the missing box and informing others of the situation.  Also, there was a huge collection of people organized together to collect donations and such to help make up for the huge loss. Jeff Anand was even going to donate a whole piece of power!  To quote Steve M.:

Smmenen: like it was like
Smmenen: the vintage champs simply werent' as important
Smmenen: as finding your cards
Smmenen: and i'm not exaggerating

I also found out the story of the deck.  Although, I heard alot of variants, I just recently got the full story straight from the horses mouth.  This is a quote from Brian Demars:

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What actually happened was that Josh found the case on a table inbetween rounds.  He opened up some of the cases and thought it was just Yu-gi-oh cards and put it away.  Sometime within the next hour people started flipping out about the fact that some power had been stolen or lost.  Sometime later we put two and two together and opened all of the deck boxes and discovered all of the power was in it.  However, we didn't know who to give it to Josh held onto it until we could figure out exactly whose it was.  Eventually, we decided after talking to a lot of people that it was yours, but by this time you had already left to go back to your hotel.  When it was clear you were not returning to the tournament Josh, Mark, and myself had a discussion about whether or not to take the power back to Michigan and PM you for your address, or to tell someone else that we had it.  What we didn't want to happen was for someone else to take the power and end up not returning it and for it to become 'lost' in the transfering process.  Eventually, we all decided that it would probably be safe to tell the Meandeck crew, Steve and Kevin that we had the power and that we needed to get it back to you.  We assumed that since they are so well connected in the community that at least one of them would be able to find you.  and as you know the Method took it back to your hotel.  In short I just don't want you to have the wrong idea about Josh;  there was no debate about whether or not your cards should be returned, but rather how was the safest and most sure way to return them.  If anybody is the hero it is Josh Franklin, because he could have jsut as easily stashed that box in his bag and not told anybody about it.  I think that he would really appreciate it if you let him know how much you appreciated his gesture of basically pure selflessness.  I know I was both proud and impressed by it myself.


So, Josh, if you are reading this right now, God Bless You Dude!  I firmly believe that good things happen to good people.  May all the things you desire in life happen for you.  I have Brian's home address and I'm going to send a token of my appreciation for You, Brian, and Mark to split up and enjoy as a way of saying thanks.  Once again, thank you for everything.

The best part of all this was that I knew I was wrong.  The world isn't filled with only horrible people.  There are very many selfless, kind, caring people, and those people, they play type 1.  It was simply further eveidence of the true greatness of the type 1 community.  There are nice people in this world.  Mary Jane is one of the greatest of these wonderful people.  Josh Franklin is one of those people.  All those who helped start a collection for me(when none of you should have felt obligated to donate anything, since you had nothing to do with the card being misplaced) are those people.

I guess what I'm saying is this:

Fuckin A, man.  I love Type 1 Magic and just like all those other things I mentioned above, I hope I never take it or its community for granted.
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2005, 04:02:13 pm »

Ray, you don't even know me.  I've never met you.  But I was trying to search for your cards.  Why???  Because, like you said, Type 1 players are a community.  We know what you did for the environment.  Without you there may not be a Vintage Championship or SCG P9 events.  As a Type 1 player, I figured it was my duty to at least try to help the best I can.

I'm sure others felt the same way.
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2005, 04:14:02 pm »

<3 Vintage/TMD <3<3<3
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2005, 04:18:56 pm »

Seriously, the community is what it is all about.  Just about every mother fucker I met this last weekend was kick ass.  I had some prejudices coming in, just from hearing shit about people, but after I met most of them, they were totally cool.  Ray, I am glad you got your shit back, and I had a good time kicking it with you and Andy on Monday at the airport.  It is shit like that that makes me super stoked to play Type 1, and to be part of the community.  I am so ready for Chicago, not only to own all you fools while playing some cards Wink, but also to kick it with the homies.
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2005, 04:44:59 pm »

The michigan crew are a group of decent guys and it doesn't surprise me one bit.

Way to be baby Razz

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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2005, 05:43:25 pm »

I teared up a little reading that....
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2005, 05:44:34 pm »

I teared up a little reading that....
Yeah, me too. Someday I'll get to see this "community" stuff for myself.
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2005, 12:44:53 am »

I gave a homeless guy a smoke once...

Does that count as being kind?

Or am I just contributing to his bad health?

This story touched me deeply Ray...

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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2005, 03:05:59 am »

The trade off Standard V. Vintage is simple;  on the standard side you have good cash prizes and on the Vintage side you get to meet great friends and have a good time just hanging out.  I'd take the quality times and memories over a pile of cash any day.  And I think that is what attracts new players to the format more than the allure of playing with rare and broken cards, being able to win on the first turn, or the history of the game put together.  I've met so many great people playing this game it is amazing, I really look forward to every single big event just to be able to hang out with all of the people who go.  Type one is about having fun and making friends.

BTW; What you said about Jeff doesn't surprise me at all, he is a stand up dude.
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2005, 09:11:43 am »

It really was stunning seeing everyone pull together to find Ray's cards. And the story had a great ending. I'm proud to be a part of this community.
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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2005, 11:23:07 am »

You guys are all awesome.  I'm very proud to consider myself a member of this community.  I only wish I could have been there to witness and take part in the search.
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« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2005, 02:24:13 pm »

<3 everyone!!

Ray, I'm so glad your stuff got back to you. I called Steve to see how people were doing in the event and he told me what was going on, and it was a huge relief when I called back later and it was found. All of Binghamton's magic players breathed a sigh of relief when I told them.

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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2005, 05:10:24 pm »

First of all, I think the most important part of this whole experience should be, for you Fishman, the profound realization that as you put it:
"Its crazy how much we lose sight of how lucky we all are."
Sometimes I think I am truly stupid and self absorbed for having thousands of dollars invested into cardboard while others lack basic necessities. 

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  If anybody is the hero it is Josh Franklin
Kind, but misplaced words.  I hold no claim to fame.  The story, as told from my perspective, isn't so nearly so philanthropic as you would hope.  I give myself only the smallest amount of credit. 

When I first found the cards I looked only at a box containing pretty much junk.  I asked those anywhere within a fifteen feet radius if it was theirs, then quietly put it into my bag.  ZZZZIIIIIPPPPPPP!!!!!!  I slid off to somewhere random where I could be alone enough to inspect the entire contents of the box.  The first thing I see:  Lotus.  Suddenly MY head was swimming.  As I realized what a virtual gold mine fate had handed me.  Here's why I give myself any credit at all.  My initial thought was, "Someone lost a deck.  That someone is playing in this tournament.  That someone will assuredly begin looking for it as the next round starts, and when they do, I am going to make sure they get it back."  Pretty nice thought, huh?  Well we all would like to think that we would intend to give back something of such value lost in that way...... After all it is what we would want to happen to us if we lost our deck.  But that's not what happened.  Through the entire next round not ONE person mentioned missing cards, not having their deck to play for the round, or anything of the sort.  Suddenly, I don't have a someone to turn a deckbox into. 

The truth is that the longer I held on to that box, the more I coveted its contents, the more I felt that I had been dealt a winning hand in this situation.   "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely"  and that box contained a whole shitload of power.  If I remember correctly it had 4drains, moxen, lotus, recall, walk and duals.  The  situation began to translate itself in my head:  money.  Money is something I had been struggling with as of late, so it is no wonder that when the opportunity arose to lay claim to a LOT of it my mind began to justify doing so.  Call it self preservation or pure unadulterated greed, there was a time when I had every intention of keeping that box of cards and never telling anyone about it. 

That's actually a very easy thing to do when there is no face to associate with the person losing cards.  After the round had ended there was STILL no talk about lost cards, at least none to my knowledge.  It wasn't until bumping into you on our way out of the tournament hall, that what's left of my broken and decrepit conscience began to churn and pollute my euphoric happiness with the concept of Justice in this situation.  The problem:  I had already resigned myself to keeping the cards, and now I had a face with which to associate the loss.  Dilemmas are the suck.

With a little help in the right direction from my friends, Mark and Brian, your cards found their way back into your possession intact and the rest of the story is as you know it.  But I flat REFUSE to be publicly recognized as a 'hero' if that isn't the way the story played out.  Besides, the truth is so much more interesante.......

I have written this against the advice of everyone I have spoken to on the subject.  My hope is to set the record straight.  I make myself look very bad by saying all of this and I am O.K. with that.  In fact, I don’t CARE about that.  If anyone claims that they wouldn’t have had those thoughts run through their head then I hope I have the opportunity to call them a Liar to their face….. Just as long as it is understood that I am only human.

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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2005, 06:18:57 pm »

Josh I have never been more proud of you. I am glad to be your friend.

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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2005, 06:37:52 pm »

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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2005, 07:26:25 pm »

First of all, I think the most important part of this whole experience should be, for you Fishman, the profound realization that as you put it:
"Its crazy how much we lose sight of how lucky we all are."
Sometimes I think I am truly stupid and self absorbed for having thousands of dollars invested into cardboard while others lack basic necessities. 

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Kind, but misplaced words.  I hold no claim to fame.  The story, as told from my perspective, isn't so nearly so philanthropic as you would hope.  I give myself only the smallest amount of credit. 

When I first found the cards I looked only at a box containing pretty much junk.  I asked those anywhere within a fifteen feet radius if it was theirs, then quietly put it into my bag.  ZZZZIIIIIPPPPPPP!!!!!!  I slid off to somewhere random where I could be alone enough to inspect the entire contents of the box.  The first thing I see:  Lotus.  Suddenly MY head was swimming.  As I realized what a virtual gold mine fate had handed me.  Here's why I give myself any credit at all.  My initial thought was, "Someone lost a deck.  That someone is playing in this tournament.  That someone will assuredly begin looking for it as the next round starts, and when they do, I am going to make sure they get it back."  Pretty nice thought, huh?  Well we all would like to think that we would intend to give back something of such value lost in that way...... After all it is what we would want to happen to us if we lost our deck.  But that's not what happened.  Through the entire next round not ONE person mentioned missing cards, not having their deck to play for the round, or anything of the sort.  Suddenly, I don't have a someone to turn a deckbox into. 

The truth is that the longer I held on to that box, the more I coveted its contents, the more I felt that I had been dealt a winning hand in this situation.   "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely"  and that box contained a whole shitload of power.  If I remember correctly it had 4drains, moxen, lotus, recall, walk and duals.  The  situation began to translate itself in my head:  money.  Money is something I had been struggling with as of late, so it is no wonder that when the opportunity arose to lay claim to a LOT of it my mind began to justify doing so.  Call it self preservation or pure unadulterated greed, there was a time when I had every intention of keeping that box of cards and never telling anyone about it. 

That's actually a very easy thing to do when there is no face to associate with the person losing cards.  After the round had ended there was STILL no talk about lost cards, at least none to my knowledge.  It wasn't until bumping into you on our way out of the tournament hall, that what's left of my broken and decrepit conscience began to churn and pollute my euphoric happiness with the concept of Justice in this situation.  The problem:  I had already resigned myself to keeping the cards, and now I had a face with which to associate the loss.  Dilemmas are the suck.

With a little help in the right direction from my friends, Mark and Brian, your cards found their way back into your possession intact and the rest of the story is as you know it.  But I flat REFUSE to be publicly recognized as a 'hero' if that isn't the way the story played out.  Besides, the truth is so much more interesante.......

I have written this against the advice of everyone I have spoken to on the subject.  My hope is to set the record straight.  I make myself look very bad by saying all of this and I am O.K. with that. In fact, I don’t CARE about that.  If anyone claims that they wouldn’t have had those thoughts run through their head then I hope I have the opportunity to call them a Liar to their face….. Just as long as it is understood that I am only human.

Josh Franklin

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I don't think anyone here can say that if they found a pimped out deck that the thought of reaping the rewards didn't cross their mind. It's cool that you admitted it, and I don't think anyone here can fault you for thinking the way you did.

The same situation happened to me once, not with an uber pimped out T1 deck of course, but with someones T2 deck at a pre-release. I did the same thing you did, found a deckbox with a good chunk of T2 value, asked everyone within a radius if it was theirs, and when it wasn't, I handed it over to the head judge who handed it to the front. The judge asked my info and said that if no one claimed it within a week, he would give it to the organizer who would leave it in his store for me to pick up. Someone claimed it, but deep deep inside I was secretly wishing that no one would, because everyone likes free money.
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2005, 10:27:55 pm »

Joshy, 

Anyone would be on crack if thoughts of greed and gluttony didn't cross their minds. 

Because you gave the deck back, karma was with you that day; that's the only reason you beat me! Smile

Way to be!

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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2005, 12:17:41 am »

I must agree with everyone that although you dont want recognition, you really actually are a hero.

Here is my thought process.  Who should be commended more for being a philantropist(sp?), Bill Gates or Joe Schmoe.

Obviously Bill Gates could could donate money easy, because it is not a hard thing to do.  It would barely affect.

And so is true here.  I am also not ashamed to say that if I found that box, I would want very much to keep it.  I would covet it like Schmiegal(sp) coveted the ring in Lord of the Rings.(Funny metaphor since that was the moive that was on TV while depression made me want to just curl up and sleep at the loss of the cards).  It would have been very tough for me to part with them, and furthermore, I would have loved for no one to claim them. Basically, NO ONE CAN FAULT YOU FOR A HUMAN EMOTION.

Plain and simple however, returning the cards was very difficult for you.  But the fact of the matter was, you did the right thing when doing so was incredibly tough.

Sounds like how I would define a hero!  And I know everyone agrees.
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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2005, 12:34:34 am »

Josh,

That you had a moment of doubt is very understandable. But the important thing is that you took the high road and did the right thing -- and for that, you should be recognized and praised.
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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2005, 03:52:23 am »

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The truth is that the longer I held on to that box, the more I coveted its contents, the more I felt that I had been dealt a winning hand in this situation. (...) I make myself look very bad by saying all of this and I am O.K. with that.

Actually, you don't. You make yourself look like a person; and a decent person at that. While the following comment may appear cynical to the casual observer, I'd like to say that I would not have believed you, had you said you didn't have a nagging doubt about doing The Right Thing (tm) at one point. It is quite, quite human to explore all avenues of thought and give special consideration to the one you personally stand to profit from the most. It's very human to try and make up (or exaggerate) arguments in favor of that course of action (such as: 'I don't even know the guy' and 'He must not need it very much if he was this careless').

The fact that you didn't pursue this course of action means you have a conscience and a decent set of norms and values. If anything, your post is not only more convincing than the 'hero version', but in my opinion it actually makes you come off better. Props to ya.
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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2005, 06:00:55 am »

I am glad to see just how much of a community we really are.
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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2005, 06:28:34 am »

I remember wandering off while someone was looking at my trades at English Nationals a while back. He hunted me down and returned the cards. Type I people are like that.

In my one ond only sanctioned Type II tournament I played WW but lent someone I vaguely knew some Glooms for their SB. Not only did he not return them (despite and possibly because I beat him in the semis) but it took me months to get them back.

Now I am not saying that Vintage people are all good and Standard is full of ungrateful jerks but it often feels like that.
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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2005, 01:16:15 pm »

Somebody stole Glooms from you? A $1 card in its prime? Who the hell would be THAT petty?
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« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2005, 02:42:32 pm »

In a very peculiar twist, I just realized I borrowed three sacred grounds from someone and didn't see them to return them Saturday before going back to the hotel.  Could you please refresh my memory?  I will send them asap.
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« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2005, 03:15:15 pm »

See I've talked about this before.  Type 1 players are the best in the world (except the few bad ones obviously).  This is where I find my home amongst all you guys, and I feel right.  I've had stuff stolen before and its the worst experiance ever, I'm so happy for you that your stuff was returned.  Us Type 1 players have to look out for each other more and more, I mean your Ray Robilard!! You single handedly make Waterbury what it is, and I hope this experiance makes you want to host a Waterbury more and more.  I really love when these little ephiphanys happen to us, I've had them happen to me and in turn makes me much less of a sarcastic ass that I use to be.  God bless us, everyone!
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« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2005, 04:59:44 pm »

Another point of irony I have just realized. Josh truly is the hero. Instead of being like Smeagol and being corrupted by the box of power, he had the will and desire to over come its power, much like Sam Wise Gamgee, who was the true hero in the Lord of the Rings.
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« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2005, 07:16:47 pm »

...and sure enough, Samwise Gamgee is now a role model for fat people the world over.  :shock:

Boy, talk about taking a metaphor too far Wink

Oh heck, as long as I get to be that hot man-elf Legolas, I'm fine with everything.
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« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2005, 10:07:53 pm »

your obviously a talking tree
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« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2005, 02:41:49 am »

Did we all miss the part of the story where we find out that Ray is a super-pimp?
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« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2005, 04:13:47 am »

Yeah, that 'didn't mean to be a downer' comeback is pretty darn smooth. I know it's completely besides the point of the story, but I can't help but wonder if Mary Jane was hot. Also: did anyone else immediately associate that name with Peter Parker?
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<j_orlove> I am semi-religious
<BR4M> I like that. which half of god do you believe in?
<j_orlove> the half that tells me how to live my life
<j_orlove> but not the half that tells me how others should live theirs

R.I.P. Rudy van Soest a.k.a. MoreFling
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