Who's More Badass: Darth Vader or Dr. Doom

[Komatteru]

Doom, obv, but what do you think?

If you don't say Doom, you are clearly incorrect

[Meddling Mike]

Well, there's actually alot of similarities between the two.

Both have had their parents killed and sworn/dispensed vengeance.
Both came from humble beginnings but managed to propel themselves to positions of power.
Vader was never actually made a Jedi Master doom was never actually given an official doctorette.
Both were prodigies in their respective fields.
Both have poorly defined mystical powers.


However, Vader gets the nod in my book for the following reasons.
1) Vader is the number two man for the whole known galaxy, Doom runs a crappy 3rd world country somewhere in Eastern Europe.
2) Vader messes himself up while in a battle with another skilled Jedi/Sith Lord, Doom was just too arrogant to listen to Mr. Fantastic and messed himself up due to scientific error and only donned the suit because of his vanity rather than any actual physical necessity like with Vader.
3) Vader can converse with the dead at will with his awesome force powers, Doom required a machine in order to make this happen.
4) Doom's suit=crafted by technologically inept tibetan monks only to have the suit improved upon later, Vader's Suit= Crafted by the finest biotech guys in the intergalactic empire.

In summation, I think that Dr. Doom is a whiny bitch and Darth Vader is a cold blooded MoFo

[Anusien]

Let's see, Vader hunted down his sworn enemies (the Jedi) and wasted them.  Vader has been known to totally flip out and choke people to death for challenging his faith.  Vader gets A LIGHTSABER.  Vader got jiggy with Natalie Portman and had kids who he then tried (and succeeded, for a time, with Luke) in converting to the Dark Side.

Dr. Doom needs his suit for his power -- Vader's is all innate.  Vader is also the best pilot in the Galaxy with the most advanced Starfighter.  Doom gave up planetary control because of bordem - Vader got the whole galaxy.  And who calls Doc Doom "Lord Doom"?  But it's "Lord Vader".

Edit: Also, Doombots?  Dr. Doom is a wuss.

[jpmeyer]

Dr. Doom is a Darth Vader with no lightsaber.

[Jacob Orlove]

Ignoring episodes 1-3, Vader all the way.

[Kowal]

One thing hasn't been brought up yet.

Doom's name is VIKTOR, which is a totally badass name.

Vader's name is Anakin, which is a pretty queer sci-fi name.

That said, I agree Vader is a more badass character, but Doom gets more ninjitsu points.

[Jacob Orlove]

Another point: James Earl Jones, who I think we can all agree is the actor who really played Vader, also played the villian in Conan the Barbarian. Meanwhile, the actor who played Doom has also played, well, take a look. Vader is the clear winner here.

[Matt]

Doctor Doom has a time machine.

[Jacob Orlove]

Doctor Doom has a time machine.

[Bram]

Good point, Jacob. Who are we trying to kid?

Dr. Doom? I hadn't even heard of the bastard before that Fantasic Four movie. Dr. Doom is a turd.

[Meddling Mike]

Doom's name is VIKTOR, which is a totally badass name.

Vader's name is Anakin, which is a pretty queer sci-fi name.

I'm gonna go a lil obi wan kenobi on you here and say that Anakin Skywalker isn't Darth Vader and that he stopped being Anakin Skywalker when he turned to the darkside. Also, his last name IS skywalker which is pretty badass.

[Komatteru]

Good point, Jacob. Who are we trying to kid?

Dr. Doom? I hadn't even heard of the bastard before that Fantasic Four movie. Dr. Doom is a turd.

You're a turd.

[Bram]

Yes, but I wasn't in the poll.

[Jacob Orlove]

Yes, but I wasn't in the poll.

You are now!

I also made it so people can change their votes.

[Bram]

Cool. I'm not gonna change my vote because, let's be realistic about this, Vader is far more badass than I. But I'm pretty sure I can beat a guy called Viktor von Doom. May I remind you all that I am named after the guy who wrote Dracula, and immortal maniacal killer Jason's last name is a bastardisation of mine.

[Matt]

How is a death star (which was never built) supposed to defeat a time machine? For that matter, how is Darth Vader supposed to beat Doom when Anakin Skywalker wasn't even born because his mother was killed while Anakin was in utero??

Time machine trumps ALL.

[Jacob Orlove]

How is a death star (which was never built) supposed to defeat a time machine? For that matter, how is Darth Vader supposed to beat Doom when Anakin Skywalker wasn't even born because his mother was killed while Anakin was in utero??

Time machine trumps ALL.

The question wasn't "who would win in a fight".

[Meddling Mike]

How is a death star (which was never built) supposed to defeat a time machine? For that matter, how is Darth Vader supposed to beat Doom when Anakin Skywalker wasn't even born because his mother was killed while Anakin was in utero??

Time machine trumps ALL.

Even with the time machine, Anakin Skywalker's mom was impregnated by the force, clearly he was destined to be and the whole universe was determined to make him happen. I don't think going all terminator 1 on his ass would work, I'm guessing the force would try to protect it's investment in Anakin and not let any wusses like doctor doom mess shit up.

[jpmeyer]

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.

[Dr. Sylvan]

I couldn't help myself; I voted for Bram. But only because Vader was such a wuss when he was a kid.

[dandan]

I once had a bottle of shampoo in the form of Vader. Who would make a Doctor Doom shampoo, it would never sell. Vader's head is a far more viable shampoo top.

[Bram]

Time machine trumps ALL

This is about who's more badass, not about whose toys are the most sophisticated. An example.



Q1: In a one-on-one fight, the wielder of which of these weapons will more likely win?

Easy. Weapon A, a.k.a. the gay, pink ladyhandgun. It totally owns the mace. It's like that Indiana Jones scene with the swordfight. However...

Q2: Which weapon is more badass?

See my point?


Furthermore, while a time machine is in itself pretty cool, it doesn't automatically make the inventor/owner the same. Over here we have popular comic book series called Suske & Wiske about two pesky teenagers who get in all sorts of improbable shit. There's also a professor called Barabas who invented a flawlessly operating time machine. This is he.



Smartest guy evar? Yup. Badass? Hardly.

P.S. I'm glad mys self-assessment was spot on. Order of badassity: Vader, Me, Doom

[rvs]

I obv voted for Bram.

[dandan]

I am glad to say that I have no idea how bad Bram's ass is.

[Matt]

Smartest guy evar? Yup. Badass? Hardly.

I contend that he is the equivalent of that little slave boy. Given time, he would find the machine's pull irresistable. The power to be no less than a living god will draw him in and corrupt his soul. Then your weird Dutch cartoon will be badass.

[Bram]

I believe now is the appropriate time to reveal my deepest darkest secret.

[dandan]

OMG!! I'd wear a mask too

[Methuselahn]

Who's this Doom chap? never heard of him. 

Order of badassity: Vader, Me, Doom

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[Meddling Mike]

Who's this Doom chap? never heard of him.

Real name: Victor Von Doom
Occupation: Monarch
Identity: Public
Legal status: King of Latveria, with full diplomatic immunity in the United States
Place of birth: Gypsy camp outside of Haasenstadt, Latveria
Group affiliation: None
First appearance: FANTASTIC FOUR Vol. 1, #5.

History: Victor Von Doom was raised by gypsies in a small European county called Latveria. He lost both of his parents at a very young age. Swearing revenge, Victor began to increase both his scientific and mystical knowledge with such determination that he was given a full scholarship to Empire State University. It was at ESU that Victor met Reed Richards and Ben Grimm, and where he started his extradimensional research. Doom's vanity prevented him from adjusting the schematics to one of his experiments, and the end result was an explosion that scarred Victor for life. Expelled from school, Victor began to travel the world, eventually stumbling upon a village of Tibetan monks who trained him and crafted him a suit of body armor, complete with face plate. He soon returned to Latveria, overthrew the government and crowned himself King. Ruling with an iron fist, Doom began to turn the resources of his small nation to his plans of world domination.

Height: 6 ft. 2 in.
Weight: 225 lbs.
Eyes: Brown
Hair: Brown

Known Superhuman Powers: While in his armor, Dr. Doom can lift (press) approximately 2 tons. He is one of the smartest men in the world and has an almost endless variety of weapons and equipment at his disposal. At the very least, Doom's armor contains a force field and concussion beams -- though more weapons may also be included. Dr. Doom also has the ability to switch minds with another person and he possesses a small amount of mystical knowledge as well.

[Matt]

Dr. Doom also has the ability to switch minds with another person

This begs the question: If Doom switched minds with Vader, would he have Vader's force powers? That is, do force powers reside in the mind or in the body?