How would the creation of these cards impact type one?

[BradWayne]

So wizards can't reprint power. That's fine. Wizards can't endorse proxies. That's fine. But they can print whatever new cards they want right? This may not be a new idea...but just in case - Imagine the shot in the arm that type one would get if a cycle of cards was printed as follows:

Blue Mox
Artifact
0
Blue Mox is Restricted (You can only play one Blue Mox in your deck)
You cannot play Blue Mox in the same deck as a card called Mox Sapphire.
Tap: Add U To your Mana Pool

(repeat for the other 4 moxen)
Ancient Lotus
Artifact
0
Ancient Lotus is Restricted
You cannot play Ancient Lotus in the same deck as a card called Black Lotus
Tap, Sacrifice Ancient Lotus: Add 3 Mana of any one color to your mana pool.


Borrowed Time
Sorcery
1U
Borrowed Time is Restricted
You cannot play Borrowed time in the same deck as a card called Time Walk.
Take an extra turn after this one.

(repeat for the rest of the p9 or 10)

And print them at uncommon or something. Type one would get a huuge boost, as the deterrent for most people from playing type one is the initial cost of being competetive. There could be wizards endorsed, sanctioned type one events on the scale of reigonals or champs.

Thoughts?

[Rabbit Scribe]

Uncommons, no less.  Would they all come out in one set and be Standard-legal for a year?  I'm hiding under my bed- come grab me when they rotate out...

It still royally shafts people who invested in power, right?  Truly mint original power wouldn't drop in value, but collectors would not be interested in my played fuzzy-backed moxen- they'd be worthless overnight  .

[jpmeyer]

They can't print functional reprints.

[Mr. Type 4]

I'm pretty sure they have a policy preventing this sort of thing from happeneing, and it would be absurd not because it would mess up type 1 (Which it wouldn't from a gameplay standpoint) but it sure would wreck other formats, and it's those other formats that Wizards really cares about.  These cards are inherantly flawed in a format like type 2, where drawing your "restricted" mox would unbalance games.  In type 1, the rest of the card pool that is utilized is based on moxes and power, but Type 2 and extended's limited card pools would make these seem totally degenerate.  Cards like "Ancient Lotus" would also mess up drafts. 

Of course collectors would be upset, but beyond the microcasm of Type 1, these cards are just dumb. 

Honestly, though, Wizards doesn't endorse proxies... So what?  They also don't endorse Type 1.  They hold all of ONE major sanctioned Type 1 event per year and everyone else that matters allows proxies. It would be a big deal if they had a Type 1 Pro Tour or Grand Prix, but they don't, so if you don't have power, get a Sharpie and make some, they're just as good.

[Baron.Pocket]

Wizards would just never reprint broken cards like that. They did the "mistake" in the begining but now, it would totally wreck the game and they try to avoid, even if they sometimes kind of miss, the creation of such broken cards today.

[BurningIce]

Also, if they set the precedent of doing something like this it would undermine their list of cards that will never be reprinted... Magic cards are worth money, and the industry as a whole would take a big hit if consumers knew wizards was willing to in effect go against their own word in order to make more money.

[ReAnimator]

I doubt they would print those but technically they could under their rules.

For all you people saying "it would ruin other formats" They obviously would not print them in a normal set, they would be released as player rewards cards or in preconstructed decks or some other not tournament legal way (except for type fun).

Coldsnap this summer is going to have precons with iceage and alliances cards reprinted with the new cardface. The non snap cards will not be T2 legal, so that gets around the whole upsetting T2 thing.

Wizards have already said that the reserve list is a joke and that it is really not relevant for 90% of the cards. It is probably only a matter of time before they legally find a way to get  around it. They already have gotten around it with Judge foils and other promos. so there is nothing that could stop them if they wanted to reprint power or other old cards.

It's not like it would affect their business at all if some T1 players and collectors quit, a lot of those people probably spend the least amount of money on the game now.

Also if they wanted to get around the functional reprint thing, those cards could just deal you 1 damage when they come into play or something else innocuous that doesn't affect their power level.

[Matt]

It is probably only a matter of time before they legally find a way to get  around it.

There's nothing legally keeping them from reprinting something to which they own the intellectual property rights. The only ties around their hands are the self-imposed ones kept there by their honorable commitment to a promise they made a decade ago.

I doubt they would print those but technically they could under their rules.

No, they technically could not. It says right here:
"Reserved cards will never be printed again in a functionally identical form. A card is considered functionally identical to another card if it has the same card type, subtypes, abilities, mana cost, power, and toughness."

[ReAnimator]

I doubt they would print those but technically they could under their rules.

No, they technically could not. It says right here:
"Reserved cards will never be printed again in a functionally identical form. A card is considered functionally identical to another card if it has the same card type, subtypes, abilities, mana cost, power, and toughness."

But the Judge promos do get around that!
They are only able to reprint them as long as they are not being SOLD any thing that is given out for free is fine because there are no royalties.

Concievably they could do them as a player rewards thing, or even as FNM or Arena.  Imagine the turnout if they start giving out Moxes in the new card face for FNM!!

[49 Cents]

I see just one simple reason why they would never print anything like this: The value of 'real' power would decrease dramatically. I'm thinking around the lines of minus 100 a piece or so? So people would actually quit the game, because Wizards fucked them over and caused them to lose a massive amount of money. And if they give P9 out as FNM prices chances are people / store owners are going to smuggel with prices..

[Komatteru]

But the Judge promos do get around that!

There's a clause in the reprint policy that specifically allows them to print premium versions of cards on the reserve list for promotional use.

Why do we always have these discussions about reprints or "this is for people who don't own the power" versions of cards?

[SpencerForHire]

But the Judge promos do get around that!

There's a clause in the reprint policy that specifically allows them to print premium versions of cards on the reserve list for promotional use.

Why do we always have these discussions about reprints or "this is for people who don't own the power" versions of cards?

Because some people don't own their own power.

[asmoranomardicodais]

This is probably the biggest [roblem with the idea of a collectable card game. On the one hand Magic wants to function as an investment; Black Lotus and Moxen are worth a lot more now then they were, which meanns that people can make money off them. As well, it wants to be collectable, which means that by definition, you need cards that are harder to find than other to make it collectable.

The other thing though, is that magic wants to function as a game, and as a game, it needs to have all the playing peices available to all the players. Chess wouldn't be a whole lot of fun for people if new players didn't have the queen, because it costs to much. More than that, it wouldn't be a fair game. Wizards has tried to soolve this by rotating out cards from type two, so that only the newest function as a game, and the older cards become collectors items, solving the tension between the opposing forces. This for the most part allowed Magic to survive, but it is not a complete solution, since people still want to play the game with the older cards.

Whenever this conversation comes up, its always the second group, the gamers, the ones who consider magic a game over its collector's value. To this group, the money and collection part of the game of magic is not an issue, and so they see no reason  that the collectors should still be appeased. On the other hand, the first group, the collectors, either

1) believe that magic is first and foremost a game but that collectors should be treated with at least as much importance as the gamers, or
2) Believe that magic is firstand foremost a collectable investment, and think it is betrayal to reprint what they believe is cold, hard, cash in their binders.

I myself I pretty sympathetic to the gamers, which I admit is a radical viewpoint. But, this whole argument is a matter of perspective, and if you see the game as just a game, none of the arguments against that viewpoint will make sense to you. Conversely, the radical collectors can't understand how anyone could touch their investment and try to destroy it just because they want to play the game on an equal level with the rest of the community.

It is a tough, tough problem, and there is no good solution, simply because, the two opposing things magic is trying to be, namely a collectable and a card game, are opposing, and to solve the problem, you have to alienate one side.

My solution? Print these, give them a slight drawback, make sure they can't be played alongside the original power, and give them the worst artwork ever. I don't mean Mark Rosewater Look at me I'm the DCI bad, I mean like the herion addicted unholy bastard child of Drew Tucker and and Robert Bliss bad. I mean, Phallic Black Lotus bad. That way, there is no way the price of the original power could go down.