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« Reply #60 on: April 19, 2006, 07:24:03 pm »

Do you think most store owners get upset over selling things--even if they don't have it?
Yes. Because if the stores don't have it, they want you to sell it to them.
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« Reply #61 on: April 19, 2006, 07:30:04 pm »

Selling? Yes. Trading? No.
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« Reply #62 on: April 20, 2006, 12:44:36 am »

Jacob,
No problem, I probably shouldn't have gotten so upset over the whole deal, and definitely shouldn't have resorted to the language and tone that I did. It just gets frustrating at times. I do apologize.

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Good question and one that I touched on briefly in my reply to Mr. Nightmare.

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What would have happened if you had went to the owner and pointed out that he didn't have a FBB dual but this guy does, can I buy it and flip you a couple bucks?

Again I think it depends on the individual owner, which is really a lackluster answer. I think most owners would be willing to allow this to happen as long as it was all above board and didn't end up getting abused. I think offering to throw the owner a little cash would go along way to facilitating this. I know that I have players who have large collections of Foreign Foils which I don't deal with but are very popular. These guys will bring any deal up to the counter, ask if I have any of this stuff and offer to throw a couple of bucks my way. This seems to work pretty well, thought it may not be acceptable to everyone. I will say, as an owner, I was very agreeable when one of my players suggested this as it's a winning situation for all concerned. Player A got the card he wanted that I didn't have, player B sold a card he wanted to move, and I made a little money. On top of that the feeling of appreciation was overwhelming.

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To touch on what Klep said:
I will say there are some cards I go out of my way to get. This is usually stuff that I will use as Tournament Prizes, where the value of the people it will draw outstrips what I can sell the card for.



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« Reply #63 on: April 20, 2006, 12:39:26 pm »

First off thanks Mr. Nightmare, your answers are insightful. 

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So let me ask this. You have two stores nearby, Store has play space and OP. Store B does none of this but their packs are $1 cheaper, and sometimes they have random singles that are also a little cheaper than store A. Which store do you buy from? Does $1 a pack, and $1 more per $5 single matter to you?
For the most part, I don't buy packs, but to answer as honestly as possible, I buy the majority of my cards as cheaply as possible, at the easiest convenience possible.  This translates to, if I decide to go to a tournament at store A, and need cards, then I buy them there.  If store B happens to be closer to my home, I don't see a reason to go out of my way to remain loyal to a store, and I don't see a particular reason to pay more.  If the opposite is true, and Store A is closer, then I shop for cards there.


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Is there a difference in price between ebay and the store that would make spending more OK. For example if the store was say $1 higher than ebay per $20 value, is that OK? What about $2? Where is it that the difference becomes an issue? On older cards, like power, where there is a big issues of fakes, ripping, etc., how much more, if anything, is it worth to be sure about your purchase?
The difference between eBay and store has 2 factors for me personally.  1) How soon do I need the card?  Is it something for a deck I intend to play soon?  Then I can't rely on the cards being in hand soon enough, and pay thru the store, sometimes regardless of the cost difference.  2) Assuming time isn't a factor, what is the difference in price?  Generally, 10% isn't too much to ask if it's a midrange product, ie: $10-$50, including the shipping I would pay on eBay.  Anything more and I tend to take the eBay deal.  Unfortunately, this is almost every card, since the store I patron is notorious for outrageously high singles (They don't call Altered States "Altered Prices" for nothing).

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Let's look at this way. You are going to your local store and are bringing $80 that you plan on spending for a dual, lunch and snacks etc. You get to the store and find that the dual you want is being sold at $40, which is more then you want to pay for it. You start playing and someone has a FBB dual that he will give you for $60 so you go ahead and buy it from him, you spent more than you wanted but got a great deal. So during the day you have lunch and stuff which probably ran about $10 leaving you with $10. Toward the end of the day you start looking around to see if there's anything you want. Your sleeves are fairly new, you have a life counter, you're not interested in boosters, but hey that playmat is kinda cool, oh wait it's $12, can't get that. Then there's the new t-shirts that just came in, oh wait they're $15, can't get it. Oh well, maybe next time.
The store had 3 items you were interested in, one was not at a price you were willing to pay, which is fine, but two of those items were at prices you were willing to pay, but couldn't because of the FBB deal. You would have bought any one of those items, possibly two of them, and I would have had a chance to cut a deal to get you all three. However, because someone who has no overhead, no risk, and no investment in the community, thought they should just take advantage of the situation, the store sold nothing.
What would have happened if you had went to the owner and pointed out that he didn't have a FBB dual but this guy does, can I buy it and flip you a couple bucks?
A couple things.  First, I generally don't come to a store with X amount of dollars to spend.  If you're at this level of the game, not having the ability to nab a good deal when it comes up is ridiculous.  But, for the sake of this discussion I can look past that.  Second, the only way I would buy duals is if a) they were ridiculously cheap, or b) I got a good deal on FBB.  So I can honestly say that I had no intention of walking in and buying Tundras from the store.  In fact, I already had a playset of revised ones, and I contacted this dealer ahead of time, because he said he had extra FBB duals, and he isn't from my town.  I don't see how that has any impact on the store at all.  It isn't like I was going to buy stuff, then decided to take a different deal.  If it were like that, I wouldn't have a second thought about throwing some money to the store.  I actually think that's a fair deal.  I didn't come in with $80 for a dual, lunch etc.  I came in with $80 for this specific dual, and whatever else.  I'm at the store like 3-4 times a week.  If I want sleeves, I'll either bring enough money to get those too, or I buy it the next time I'm there.

In this situation though, I bought the cards at the store simply because we both were going to be there.  He could have come to my house and sold me the cards, but it was more convenient to do it where we both already were going to be.  Should I have to pay extra for that convenience?  Maybe.  I tend to say no.
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« Reply #64 on: April 22, 2006, 01:35:47 am »

Once upon a time, I managed a fast food store. Standard practice when operating fast food is to aim for stock =< 30% of sales (or thereabouts). In retail, the same principle applies, but because they don't need lots of staff (little to no processing required), 50% is the standard cost of the goods being sold. When people complain about "lowballing", it needs to be understood that paying half of the sale price is standard practice. Even then, there are no guarantees that the "insane profit" is enough to cover everything else, especially in an industry where there are no guarantees.
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« Reply #65 on: April 27, 2006, 03:57:12 pm »

I have a different ethical question that is related to what is being discussed:

What are your opinions of players selling cards the store doesn't have while in a store?  Lots of stores don't have tons of singles--especially Type 1 singles like moxen, shops, bazaars, drains, grims, etc.  Do you think most store owners get upset over selling things--even if they don't have it?

First off, it just doesn't seem right for someone to sell their cards in another person's store, even if the owner doesn't have the cards unless the store owner would rather people not be restricted at all. Some owners will let anyone do anything they want with their cards, as long as they are not directly competing with what the owners have in stock. I have been to shops that do not even allow player to player trading (findmagiccards.com's Strike Zone Online), as they feel it is competition to themselves, and I have been to other shops, such as Pasttimes, that let entire vendors set up shop and host events. I guess its all in the idea of the owner, and how much they perceive they will make of their own philosophy.

Personally, I don't want to compete with dealers inside the havens that they spend rent on to make a living with magic. Why? Because dealers with shops are making a living off Magic: The Gathering! Its the same principle as premium articles on Starcity. People are being paid to write about Magic. How cool is that?
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« Reply #66 on: April 30, 2006, 11:23:41 pm »

Trading will make a store more money than the store selling singles.

2 PM Local Store, 13 magic players trading.  They buy food/packs/tourney entries/sleeves/dice etc

2 PM Enemy Store, 8 magic players playing in a tournament.  No trading/selling the store sells singles.  Everyone else went to the other store.

Edit:  Honestly when I trade in my local store I get this happy community mood, and buy stuff sometimes.  If the store is selling a single I want for say 20, and online I can get it for 17 shipped, I will buy it from the store.  At such a small difference I want the store to remain in business.  Now that 20 dollar in store card is 10 online?  I'm sorry to tell the owner, but i'll pick it off starcity.
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« Reply #67 on: April 30, 2006, 11:43:56 pm »

I have an odd situation.  I live in Traverse city.  It seems to be the Vintage and Legacy capitol for some odd reason.  We have regular tounaments every weekend with damned good turnouts especially for the Legacy.   Type 2 (standard) and Extended have been tried time and time again and just die horrid deaths.  No one wants to play them. 

Now, if I drive just 20 minutes south to Houghton Lake or even further to Lansing or Detroit it's all Type 2 and no one could  care less about older stuff.   You can get duals with not much problem.   I traded for some Bayous at the equivilant of $5 apeice for them once down there.   Tells you something.

I drive a lot with my job so I stop in to the shops and do a lot of trading whether it be the shops or the people playing.   I trade type 2 rares to the southerners for good older cards and trade them back to the northerners for good type 2 rares which I will just go back down and make trades yet again for type 1 stuff.   Lather, Rinse, Repeat.   

I am usually doing damned good trades to these people in their favor because it doesn't really make a difference to me since I come out ahead on accident.   They are happy in both places and I am happy since I get to keep a couple cards here and there.   

I get treated by the stores pretty well now also.   I bother to tell them about trends coming up (new sets hot rares or new decks making old cards popular) so they give me good deals too.   I figure if everyone gets what they want it's fair. 



Oh yeah, I agree with Clown, Dan Bock is pretty cool.   Also Jody Deaton in Detroit is a damned good dealer too.  I once saw him tell a kid (maybe 13 years old) exactly what his beta stuff was worth despite the fact he could have took him for a fortune since the kid had ancestrals in the mix. 
 
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« Reply #68 on: June 01, 2006, 05:44:10 am »

Well, you'll get no flames from me about being a communist, since I am one, but that's neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is that people seem to have a right to rip off other people to get ahead in this world. It's part of the American Dream (tm), right? When you go to Taco Bell and pay 85 cents for a bag of cinnamon twists, it costs Taco Bell 6 cents to make it. If I can get you to trade me an Underground Sea for an Intuition, and then turn around and sell that Underground Sea for 30 dollars to unsuspecting rube, I've engaged in one of the most prevalant acts in American society. Retail.

Love it or hate it, it happens, and being outraged about it won't help. I don't engage in any of these activities most days, and I try to make good trades with people, so that everyone comes out happy, but if someone asks me if I'm okay with him trading me a Darksteel Colossus for my Phyrexian Arena, I doubt I'm a good enough person to tell him "Sorry man, but I'd be ripping you the hell off."
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