ongoing SCG results

[Nomad]

On a side  note, despite the low turnouts out there, what is the scrub.dec to quality player ratio at these events?

I know that a lot of top players read TMD/(scg) for Vintage Info, but of the 60ish players, how many play R/G beats and White Weenie or even Netdeck.dec-but they suck/don't know stack/meta type players. 

Anyone willing to put up a percentage?

3 of my opponents still made T8 day 1, so my matchups didn't really reflect the scrub decks (and tiebreakers were awesome).  However, I only heard about a couple of unpowered or uncompetitive decks (like the comment someone made after round 1 - "My opponent wasn't using sleeves..."

Only takes 5 out of 50 to be 10%, but it was definitely below that.  There may have been some turboland and other slightly less "approved" decks around, but for the most part people were there with competitive decks and there was plenty of pimp.

[Moxlotus]

I'm going to guess that the last tournament will be in whatever town their new, bigger location is in.

Please send your extra power to:

Pete Hoefling c/o
StarCityGames.com
5623 Williamson Rd NW
Roanoke, VA 24012

LOL

[Juggernaut GO]

despite being around 60 people each day there was not a very high scrub %.  I saw a couple mono black decks, a B/R/U fish deck, and that was about it.  There was a LOT of SS both days, and I am so happy that deck was invented.  Fish pwning bitches definitely kicks ass for workshop players.

[Klep]

despite being around 60 people each day there was not a very high scrub %.  I saw a couple mono black decks, a B/R/U fish deck, and that was about it.  There was a LOT of SS both days, and I am so happy that deck was invented.  Fish pwning bitches definitely kicks ass for workshop players.

Actually, as I was walking around observing on day 1, I came to the conclusion that about 20%, if not more, of the field was real jank.  In addition to what you noticed, there were a few people playing with large, unsleeved decks, a mono-green something, a Kokusho reanimator deck, and an affinity deck running the Kaldra equipment.

[EotGiftsGG?]

i would just like to take a moment and thank klep for his "no comment" lucksacking skills. 

[Tha Gunslinga]

The "jank" element just made things more difficult, as tried-and-true decks like SS and Slaver were taken down by Affinity and Suicide Black.  Oath has ridiculously good matchups against random aggro, so I stomped people day 1 and was crushed Day 2 by my deck shitting on me round 1.

Boston will be rough, but it's only 17 hours, so ICBM may be coming.  The second I found out how low the tourney attendance was, I knew people would disregard it, but you know what?  If you're complaining and talking shit, well, you should have showed up.  And don't give me any crap about how far it was; 16 hours each way ain't no cakewalk.

That said, I had a wonderful time and met some cool people.  There were some issues with judging, but those will be brought up later.  Thanks to everyone who came and was cool.

[ErkBek]

Here's my new deck that I took 3rd with. For now I'm calling it "The Great JD", until I come up with a real name

Land 11
4 Delta
2 Strand
2 Usea
1 Swamp
1 Island
1 Academy

Accel 19
8 Sol-lo-moxen-crypt
1 LED
1 Petal
1 Vault
8 Rit

Protection 8
4 FoW
3 MisD
1 Chain of Vapor

Business 22
4 BS
3 Grim
1 VT
1 MT
1 DT
1 Iseal
1 Ancestral
1 Tinker
1 Jar
1 Windfall
1 Twister
1 Desire
1 Bargain
1 Necro
1 Will
1 Tendrils
1 Time Walk

SB
4 ESG
3 Hurkyl's
1 Rebuild
2 Bazaar
2 Brainfeeze
1 Tendrils
1 DSC
1 Massacre

[Phele]

Thanks for the list and congratulation on your great finish!
It is in fact a Litz Long list with Misdirections instead of Duress. A whole thread on the deck can be found here:

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=27574.0

I have a couple of questions on your list:

- Why did you choose Misdirections over Duress and how happy have you been with the inclusion: Was it for the blue count, for the ability to pitch them for free?
- Have you been happy with just Chain of Vapor maindeck as your only bouncer/solution. Didn't ever problems with Chalice on one occur? How has your Staxx matchup been in general?
- What were your sideboard plans in general beside the obvious ESG/Hurkyl Move against Staxx? What about the Bazaars? For quicker threshold?

I'd also like to add, that I think the UB Long route that is tested in Germany for quite a while is superiour to Grim Long. It gets a stable manabase and shuffle effect for losing WoF, Regrowth and Xantid Swarms, cards that are not necessary imo.

[Tin_Mox5831]

Well, 99% of the time, the mana inconsistency is irrelevant since Grim Long's speed and threat density are so much greater. I understand why some folks like Litz Long, but I really think that it's really just personal preference and a blanket statement to try to justify that preference. It's more stable than Grim Long, but slower. Sure. However, stating that does not make it better by any means. It's really apples to oranges, but I see your point. 

Congrats to all who T8'ed! Hope to see you all in Boston!

Peace,
Dave

[Komatteru]

Here's my new deck that I took 3rd with. For now I'm calling it "The Great JD", until I come up with a real name

Seems like a pretty real name to me. 

I'm pretty flattered that you are currently naming it after me.  Thanks yo.

It is in fact a Litz Long list with Misdirections instead of Duress.

Except that this is named after me and probably a lot more inspired by the 2.5c deck I had been working on before my retirement. 

[Gabethebabe]

@Kobefan: Your sideboard is interesting.

Could you explain your choices, especially the Bazaar and Brain Freeze?

[Razvan]

I swear to God... I have lately only gone to the US for 3 things. SCG power tourneys, to smuggle large quantities of crappy alcohol and cigarettes across the border, and to visit the greatest US city, Boston.

Hm...

Looks like this might be a 3/3 this time. Great venue choice.

[ELD]

I'm predicting that SCG Boston will have the biggest attendance of any SCG yet. 

[outpost1]

"I'm predicting that SCG Boston will have the biggest attendance of any SCG yet. "

Between the location and the assistance of Ray Robillard, I am going to to have to agree.

Pete
www.starcitygames.com

[M.Solymossy]

I would have to say it's quite dumb to NOT hold chicago, considering that the midwest is currently i'd have to say the best place to play vintage (especially the milwaukee/Chicago area).

Previous SCG Top8ers in this location
Dan Carp X2
Ben Carp X2
Brian Fisher X2
Matt Endress x2
Tommy Kolowith X2
Jeremy Seroogy X1
Phil Shmidt X1
Matt Morrison X1
Eric Becker X3
Vroman is in St Loius X3

All of them with the exception of phil, travelled to at least ONE of these VERY LONG DRIVE trips.  So, you could at least throw us a freaking bone.

[seer]

Nova, Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

I can't believe you would say that. I've never been an SCG, since I live on the west coast, but I think what Pete is doing is great. Ignore people like 13NoVa Pete. He is a donkey who's feelings do not reflect that of the general community. Most of the players are grateful to have p9 tournaments in their area when they work out for SCG.

[ashiXIII]

Nova, Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

I can't believe you would say that. I've never been an SCG, since I live on the west coast, but I think what Pete is doing is great. Ignore people like 13NoVa Pete. He is a donkey who's feelings do not reflect that of the general community. Most of the players are grateful to have p9 tournaments in their area when they work out for SCG.

Err, you have this backwards. Pete doesn't do these as a favor to everyone. He does these to make money. So, he's not really "the hand that feeds," but his customers are. Don't get me wrong, though. I love these things and I'm happy that Pete holds them, but he should do what makes his customers happy, and it shouldn't be us who are just "grateful" that there are P9 tournaments at all.

[M.Solymossy]

yeah, it's not biting the hand that feeds.  WE FEED PETE.  I for one, was looking forward to a Chicago event, considering I will be going to school starting september, and will not be travelling anymore for events after GenCon.

So whatever.  You just lost money from me.

[Smmenen]

I would have to say it's quite dumb to NOT hold chicago, considering that the midwest is currently i'd have to say the best place to play vintage (especially the milwaukee/Chicago area).

Previous SCG Top8ers in this location
Dan Carp X2
Ben Carp X2
Brian Fisher X2
Matt Endress x2
Tommy Kolowith X2
Jeremy Seroogy X1
Phil Shmidt X1
Matt Morrison X1
Eric Becker X3
Vroman is in St Loius X3

All of them with the exception of phil, travelled to at least ONE of these VERY LONG DRIVE trips.  So, you could at least throw us a freaking bone.

OBVIOUSLY everyone wants it in chicago.  Did it ever occur to you guys who keep blathering on and on about chicago that maybe the difficulty isn't Petes or SCGs, but the difficulty of finding a venue? 

GOD STOP IT.  Obviously Pete knows that Chicago is a good venue.  He's not stupid.  Sheesh.

[Smmenen]

Here's my new deck that I took 3rd with. For now I'm calling it "The Great JD", until I come up with a real name

Land 11
4 Delta
2 Strand
2 Usea
1 Swamp
1 Island
1 Academy

Accel 19
8 Sol-lo-moxen-crypt
1 LED
1 Petal
1 Vault
8 Rit

Protection 8
4 FoW
3 MisD
1 Chain of Vapor

Business 22
4 BS
3 Grim
1 VT
1 MT
1 DT
1 Iseal
1 Ancestral
1 Tinker
1 Jar
1 Windfall
1 Twister
1 Desire
1 Bargain
1 Necro
1 Will
1 Tendrils
1 Time Walk

SB
4 ESG
3 Hurkyl's
1 Rebuild
2 Bazaar
2 Brainfeeze
1 Tendrils
1 DSC
1 Massacre

It's actually a pretty direct swap from my last Grim Long list:

1) - 2 ESGs
+ 2 Cab. Rituals

2) turn the five color lands into a fetchland mana base

3) - 4 Duress
+ 4 FoW

4) take out the green and red cards for 3 Misd (regrowth, wheel, and Swarm)

Someone mentioned on the scg forums that you were playing 4 fow and 3 misd and I actually had precisely that list built in my head.

Once you cut green and add fetches, 4 cabal rits become obvious.  I think the only other change I was wondering you might make and the change i would have made would be to add the 4th Grim Tutor back in.   

[M.Solymossy]

Steve.  I understand that it's the fault of the venue.  Pastimes sucks.  But when I talked to Pete/Ben at Richmond, I did mention that Misty Mountain Games is just as large as the old pastimes venue, and there is also the college of Dupage.  The college can fit 300+, and give the players THIER OWN TABLES.  It's an amazing venue.

[Komatteru]

Here's my new deck that I took 3rd with. For now I'm calling it "The Great JD", until I come up with a real name

Land 11
4 Delta
2 Strand
2 Usea
1 Swamp
1 Island
1 Academy

Accel 19
8 Sol-lo-moxen-crypt
1 LED
1 Petal
1 Vault
8 Rit

Protection 8
4 FoW
3 MisD
1 Chain of Vapor

Business 22
4 BS
3 Grim
1 VT
1 MT
1 DT
1 Iseal
1 Ancestral
1 Tinker
1 Jar
1 Windfall
1 Twister
1 Desire
1 Bargain
1 Necro
1 Will
1 Tendrils
1 Time Walk

SB
4 ESG
3 Hurkyl's
1 Rebuild
2 Bazaar
2 Brainfeeze
1 Tendrils
1 DSC
1 Massacre

It's actually a pretty direct swap from my last Grim Long list:

1) - 2 ESGs
+ 2 Cab. Rituals

2) turn the five color lands into a fetchland mana base

3) - 4 Duress
+ 4 FoW

4) take out the green and red cards for 3 Misd (regrowth, wheel, and Swarm)

Someone mentioned on the scg forums that you were playing 4 fow and 3 misd and I actually had precisely that list built in my head.

Once you cut green and add fetches, 4 cabal rits become obvious.  I think the only other change I was wondering you might make and the change i would have made would be to add the 4th Grim Tutor back in.   

Yeah, it's just like your list Steve, because there has never been a 2/2.5c Grim Long build before.  I mean, a direct swap of your list that plays pretty different and is like 15-20 cards  different.  It's not like anyone else on Meandeck ever advocated a 2c color build with fetches.  There certainly were never any 5 page threads on the matter...

If 4 Cabal Rits are so obvious, why didn't you ever suggest it when we I was working on this?  Of course, you were too busy being fixated on the 5c list with a "well, it's all about personal preference."  We could have probably come up with this before the last Richmond even.  Maybe I'd still even be playing Magic if we had...

Becker's list here is very different from anything resembling Steve's builds, as it will play COMPLETLEY different.  Hell, my 2.5c list ran pretty different from Steve's, and Becker's approach is even more different from the one I took. Bravo, Mr. Becker.

Merely saying "this is a direct swap of 5c Grim" doesn't reflect how different this deck really is.  There is more than one way to build Grim Long, but not all of them start with swapping cards out of the 5c list.  Saying that about this deck is like saying that Slaver is Keeper -4 Tundra, -1 StP,...,+4 Welder,...

[AJFirst]

Even more so JD, because Keeper and Slaver play decently closely to eachother, while BeckerTendrils and GrimLong play extremely differently, not even mentioning the card changes.

Hey, Soly, Pastimes isn't THAT bad. I mean the tables are dirty, the lighting is terrible, it's really small, really crowded, and the cooling/heating system wrecks the nervous system sure, but it's not terrible. 

I still say it's worth it just because the guys there are awsome, not to mention it's my local shop. Hopefully you guys will show up at the end of the month. I have gifts for Endress.

As for Becker's list, I love Misdirection. It's one of my favorite cards ever printed, and putting it in Tendrils is pretty cool. I have to ask though, Chain of Vapor is the only bounce, so don't you have issues with say, Chalice at 1 + 3Sphere? I'm also very interested in that sideboard. Bazaars and Brain Freezes? Do tell.
-AJ

Oh yeah, and congrats. Way to stomp.

Edit :: CoD is an amaaaaazing venue. I love it there.

Edit, the second coming :: having "Long" in the name is no longer a nod to Mikey McCheats Long. It has just become part of the growing Vintage culture. The lingo of putting that after the deck implies it's a Yawgmoth's Will based Storm Combo deck with Rituals and Tendrils. My suggestion for the deck: AwsomeLong. Because you're just that cool for playing it.

[Purple Hat]

Ok, this is a few days late, but I suspect that the 50 person turnout had a lot to do with it being 4th of july weekend and I assume, much like me, lots of us  can get a bit crazy without the occasional BBQ/6 cases of beer.

I know I spent the weekend in upstate new york hanging out by the pool, eating burgers and drinking beer eventhough charlotte is only like a 6-8 hour drive for me.

Hale

[The_spooky_kid]

It was 4th of july weekend.  There was a legacy event going on, Origins was going on, the last scg event was a mere 3 weeks before, and on top of that all of the other vintage players were broke from Rochester.  This, with the combination of the event being further from canada were all reasons why attendance was low.

[ErkBek]

I hate to be the 1st to say this........decklist?

[Moxlotus]

Whenever I receive them is when I will start typing them up.

[Juggernaut GO]

did you get any phat cards with your credit for rochester?

[Moxlotus]

did you get any phat cards with your credit for rochester?

Some fetchlands and a beat to hell timetwister to complete my P9 set.

Possibly Pete is waiting until after this weekend and sending me the Legacy decklists too?  I have no idea what's going on.

[forests failed you]

I would have to say it's quite dumb to NOT hold chicago, considering that the midwest is currently i'd have to say the best place to play vintage (especially the milwaukee/Chicago area).

Previous SCG Top8ers in this location
Dan Carp X2
Ben Carp X2
Brian Fisher X2
Matt Endress x2
Tommy Kolowith X2
Jeremy Seroogy X1
Phil Shmidt X1
Matt Morrison X1
Eric Becker X3
Vroman is in St Loius X3

All of them with the exception of phil, travelled to at least ONE of these VERY LONG DRIVE trips.  So, you could at least throw us a freaking bone.

me = midwest, Ann Arbor Michigan

Brian Demars x3