[Results] Game Universe Milwaukee!

[M.Solymossy]

40 people were in attendance.

the top 8 was:

Ryan Spindler  (Long with counters AKA burning Slaver)  [rhyno]
Ben Roberts (ICBM Oath)
Andy Wokfahaf;lsda (i can't read his handwriting)  (Deck name withheld... PM me) [treehugger or something like that]
Brian Fisher  (CS)  [IntoTheSilence]
Chris Niebor (stax) 
I@n DeGraff  (Angry PheldaGifts)  [I@n]
Philip Schmidt  (Pitchlong)   [moxlotus]
Grant Champion (workshop Aggro) [pitlord]



top8
Ryan beat I@n (who misreg'ed)
Andy beat Phil
Brian beat Ben
Chris beat grant

top4
Ryan beat Brian
Andy beat Chris

Andy and Ryan split.

[AJFirst]

I would have loved to make it, but I had my deck stolen on Thursday (As well as my almost foiled out extended deck). Highlights:

4 Drain, one english
4 Force of Will all signed by Richard Garfield
3 Delta
2 Strand
2 Underground
2 Volcanic
Tolarian/Will/and all those midrange cards
3 Gifts Ungiven
1 Foil Rebuild
1 Foil signed bloodstained mire
3 Foil Watery Grave
3 Foil ichorid
4 Foil deep analysis
4 Foil Golgari Grave Troll
4 Foil Stinkweed Imp
2 Foil tolarian Winds
2 Foil Putrid Imp
2 Foil chain of vapor
2 Foil ray of revelation
2 Foil Riftstone Portal
4 Foil Leyline of the Void
4 Foil Coffin Purge

Anyway, I'm trying to rebuild so hopefully I can make the next one. I'd love to see lists though, and Congrats to the winners.
-AJ

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Damn that sucks man.

I went 3-2-1 Congrats to the winners!

GJ ICBM. Go us.

[M.Solymossy]

Yes, GOOD JOB ICBM not making the finals!

[smile_for_me8888]

I went 3-2-1, one loss off a giant play mistake (or string of them) and a bow out to let rhyno pass on to top 8 instead of having both of us miss it.  nice job rhyno.

[TimDeluxeIt]

My (Ben Roberts) list is the boring old ICBM Oath list with this for s SB:

4x Extract
3x Oxidize
2x Simic Sky Swallower
1x Trike
1x Tinker
1x DSC
1x Duress
1x Tormod's Crypt
1x Wasteland

It was the most "diverse" type one ive been to in a while. The room smelled of all kinds of fish.

[Moxlotus]

I went 4-0-2, dropping a game in swiss.  I then lose in 3 in the top 8.  I played Pitch long with these changes:

-1 LED
+1 Sea
-1 MisD
+1 Tendrils
-1 Chain
+1 Hurkyl's.

The tourament was great and was incredibly diverse.  In the 7 rounds I was paired against 1 duplicate deck.

[coyoteuglly]

Props to Type 2 players taking Power from Team GWS and ICBM at the last TWO Type Ones in Milwaukee.  Owen Turtenwald at the last one and me (Andy Wyrowski) at this one.  You Type One players are so bad. 

[ErkBek]

Props to Type 2 players taking Power from Team GWS and ICBM at the last TWO Type Ones in Milwaukee.  Owen Turtenwald at the last one and me (Andy Wyrowski) at this one.  You Type One players are so bad. 

And congrats on nearly getting DQ'd from the tournament by yelling at the judge. 

[coyoteuglly]

Props to Type 2 players taking Power from Team GWS and ICBM at the last TWO Type Ones in Milwaukee.  Owen Turtenwald at the last one and me (Andy Wyrowski) at this one.  You Type One players are so bad. 

And congrats on nearly getting DQ'd from the tournament by yelling at the judge. 

Ya.  Rhyno was so going to Force that Kataki though.

I was talking to Edd at dinner Saturday and we both agreed we were both wrong.  Him making the wrong call, and me definitly not handling the situation in the most mature way.

[M.Solymossy]

Freaking 9th place on TieBreakers =-(

[coyoteuglly]

Freaking 9th place on TieBreakers =-(

And points too.  Going into the last round six people could draw in, with the winners of Rhyno's and my matches making Top 8.  No one else could make it in.

[TimDeluxeIt]

@ CoyoteUgly:

That had to have been the dumbest play ever. Rhyno would not have forced the second kataki. Did I mention it was a dumb play? You instead KILLED your own Kataki with no artifacts in play and he had 3.

[Moxlotus]

@ CoyoteUgly:

That had to have been the dumbest play ever. Rhyno would not have forced the second kataki. Did I mention it was a dumb play? You instead KILLED your own Kataki with no artifacts in play and he had 3.

Rhyno's cards in hand were FoW and Ancestral.  There is no way in hell he was going to force that Kataki.

[M.Solymossy]

It was a good try, though.

[AJFirst]

Anyone mind telling AJ a story? Perhaps one about a man named Kataki....
-AJ

[coyoteuglly]

@ CoyoteUgly:

That had to have been the dumbest play ever. Rhyno would not have forced the second kataki. Did I mention it was a dumb play? You instead KILLED your own Kataki with no artifacts in play and he had 3.

Rhyno's cards in hand were FoW and Ancestral.  There is no way in hell he was going to force that Kataki.

He also had a third card in hand.  But I've also been playing with Rhyno for years and now, and feel can read his body language fairly well.  Even afterwards I am still pretty confident that he was going to counter it.  Based on the way he was sitting, talking, ect he was going to do it but not be happy about it.  I also had alot of things going for me when I tried to pull that off.

1. Rhyno knows that I'm at least a competent player, and that I'm not going to cast multiple Legends into each other.
2. The second Kataki looks very threating to him.  He had 2 Islands and a Non Basic with three (I'll go with three per Tim, I remeber 4/5).  To me having Wasteland and Kataki in play.  So if the second Kataki resolves it looks like it just wrecks him.
3. I could tell he wasn't exactly thrilled with his position in the game.
4. I knew he either had a Mana Drain or Force of Will in his hand
5. I had a Meddling Mage naming Thirst for Knowelge.  There was a pretty good chance based on his opening plays, and plays up to that point in the game, he was sitting on a dead Thirst.
6. I'm a really good bluffer.
7. A reason I don't really want to say, as it gives away alot of how Rhyno plays.  Let's just say it's a very vaild reason, based on my play experiences with Rhyno.
8. People do make worse plays than countering a duplicat Legend.

Tim and Moxlouts try thinking outside the box once in a while (i.e. Pitching your Ancestral to Force).  You might just find yourself pulling out games you had no right winning.  There's also a fine line between brillant and dumb.  Just depends on what side of the line you are standing on.

[TimDeluxeIt]

Hey man your right, I should probably think outside the box and make INCOMPETENT plays. What do you have some kind of mental power over Rhyno to get him to make dumb plays? If you really wanted to bait the force you should of just played one of the two Bobs you had in your hand.

[Moxlotus]

I don't remember the third card in hand.  After his draw next turn he had Tinker and a non blue card.  So his third card was either Tinker or something he couldn't pitch.  Either way, pitching one of those to counter a Kataki (much less a second one) would be a terrible idea and I seriously doubt one of them would have been pitched.  I've pitched Ancestral to Fow before and this was not a situation that it would have been necessary in--even if you could have 2 Kataki in play.

[Pitlord]

I doubt that Ryhno really would have forced the Kataki, but it looked like you were already in a bad position so it probably wasn't the WORST play available.

Anyways, congrats to Ryhno and Andy for the split. I made top8, and then proceeded to mull myself into oblivion against Chris. Oh well, the tourney was great fun, although having Jamison top8 would have been amazing considering what he was playing... if you weren't there you didn't see his super-awesome tech...

Oh, and type 2 players are better than vintage players. Two of my friends that play t2, draft, and extended came along playing janky bomberman and janky WTF. They went 4-2 and 3-3 respectivly, and that was at their first vintage tourney.

[M.Solymossy]

I don't believe type 2 players are better than vintage players for a minute.  The WTF player got destroyed by me.  Game 1, I died to my OWN Confidants, but  I had him completely tapped out.  Game 2 and 3 wern't even matches.

As for your buddy playing Bomberman, I wish I coulda played him, too.

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I will be writing up lists tomarrow.  I've just bee really busy testing my deck for gencon.

[Methuselahn]

Oh, and type 2 players are better than vintage players. Two of my friends that play t2, draft, and extended came along playing janky bomberman and janky WTF. They went 4-2 and 3-3 respectivly, and that was at their first vintage tourney.

It's probably likely that your two friends acquired their respective wins from other type 2 players.  It's also probable that these other type 2 players were girls, because we all know that magic is a for real hard mental game that requires thinking and since there are waaaaaaay more guys than girls playing magik, guys are therefore much cooler and smarterer.  Like you for example.  Intelligence is directly proportional to which format you play.

[LordHomerCat]

What about those of us who play Type2 and Vintage?  I've had good finishes in both.  The best Type1 players aren't as good as the best T2 and limited players, but the Average vintage player seems better than an average T2 player because there are so many god awful T2 and limited players.

And, 3-4 girls at one tournament?  What planet are you living on =p

[Pitlord]

Maybe I should clarify myself a little on the type2 players thing... I think that t2 players are able to come much more easily into other formats and make different plays based on experiences from other formats. However, vintage players usually deal with situations that wouldn't come up in standard or draft. We can't simply lean back and let our broken decks auto-pilot themselves because of insane draws.

There are exceptions though. Lots of vintage players are probably pretty OK at standard and draft, and there are A LOT of scrubby t2 players out there. I just think that comparing good t2 players to good vintage players, t2 players are probably going to be a little better at actually playing Magic.

[ErkBek]

Maybe I should clarify myself a little on the type2 players thing... I think that t2 players are able to come much more easily into other formats and make different plays based on experiences from other formats. However, vintage players usually deal with situations that wouldn't come up in standard or draft. We can't simply lean back and let our broken decks auto-pilot themselves because of insane draws.

There are exceptions though. Lots of vintage players are probably pretty OK at standard and draft, and there are A LOT of scrubby t2 players out there. I just think that comparing good t2 players to good vintage players, t2 players are probably going to be a little better at actually playing Magic.

Bomberman is also about the most straight-forward deck to play in vintage. It's basically UW control. You've got your 11 counters, 9 draw spells, and numerous board control elements. Seriously, its like a really good type 2 deck.

From my experience the only reason good vintage players aren't tearing up other formats is they really don't test them enough. Many vintage players may be a little rusty in terms of combat, but they seem to make good decisions, it just takes a little longer.

Since I've quit drafting and type 2, I've been able to funnel my magical skillz to almost exclusively to vintage (I also play a little extended). I played 3-4 formats for years and only split for 1 piece of power, but after quitting the shitty formats I've won/split for ~12 pieces of power (I've lost count) in under 9 months (and I also play much less magic than I used to). I'd recommend that other people who want to get better at vintage try the same.

EDIT:

We can't simply lean back and let our broken decks auto-pilot themselves because of insane draws.

Upon further review of your post this line doesn't sit well with me.

[TimDeluxeIt]

@ Pitlord:
To you and all of team vorple bunny: How did you guys like that giant purple cock drawn on your windshield? I guess if we were a type 2 players, we wouldn't have done that.

[coyoteuglly]

For the record I am in no way involved with Pitlord or Team Vorpal Bunny, and am going to just avoid this whole little debate.

[Moxlotus]

There are exceptions though. Lots of vintage players are probably pretty OK at standard and draft, and there are A LOT of scrubby t2 players out there. I just think that comparing good t2 players to good vintage players, t2 players are probably going to be a little better at actually playing Magic.

Last year 2 people on my team were a game away from invites to nationals.  Numerous TMD users have participated in Pro Tour events.  In general Type 2 players are better at combat, I don't think there's any real way to disagree there.  However I don't think Type 2 players are in general better in any other part of the game.  For example, I would imagine that Type 1 players are better at playing around counters.

@Becker.  You are out of line.

[Pitlord]

Geez... I make one little comment and people start attacking me...

I know that most of the time vintage decks don't autopilot well, but it does happen. I also know that bomberman and fish are relativly simple to play. I agree wholeheartadly that vintage players don't do as well because we just don't care about other formats.

I apologize to anyone who I may have offended, my comment was almost entirely in jest in the first place. I never intended it to lead to people attacking others or t2 as a format. I think that great players exist in all formats, and great players often play different formats. Autopilot happens in most formats, but not often in any format. People have to play around different things in different formats, just as Moxlotus said. Every format has it's strengths and weaknesses. Again, I apologize and would appreciate it if everyone would please accept the apology and move on...

About the cock on the windshield, I have no idea how that happened, but it was honestly pretty funny. Duby was super pissed, but everyone else had a good laugh about it, especially because we were all too tired and lazy to wash it off...

[Moxlotus]

Duby was super pissed, but everyone else had a good laugh about it, especially because we were all too tired and lazy to wash it off...

Please say that you had to drive down the interstate with a giant purple cock on your window.