Turn Zero kill?

[Dante]

I think Crop Rotation into Bazaar of Baghdad works just fine. You only need to see these cards in your opening hand: Gemstone Caverns, Dark Ritual, Elvish Spirit Guide, Crop Rotation, Necromancy and Worldgorger Dragon and any other card to pitch to Caverns. Alternately, the WGD could be in the top two cards of your library as well.

you forgot to list the Ambassador in the deck that you will use the colorless on to deck them so they die during their first draw phase.

[parallax]

I think Crop Rotation into Bazaar of Baghdad works just fine. You only need to see these cards in your opening hand: Gemstone Caverns, Dark Ritual, Elvish Spirit Guide, Crop Rotation, Necromancy and Worldgorger Dragon and any other card to pitch to Caverns. Alternately, the WGD could be in the top two cards of your library as well.

you forgot to list the Ambassador in the deck that you will use the colorless on to deck them so they die during their first draw phase.

Too bad they skip their draw because they went first.

The actual kill involves cycling through the deck with Bazaar of Baghdad (which you get off Crop Rotation) until you hit Riftstone Portal, Tinder Wall and Flaming Gambit. Then you can tap Bazaar for mana, generate 20 mana and Necromancy the Tinder Wall into play and flash back Flaming Gambit for twenty. It's completely wriitten out above.

[jro]

The actual kill involves cycling through the deck with Bazaar of Baghdad (which you get off Crop Rotation) until you hit Riftstone Portal, Tinder Wall and Flaming Gambit. Then you can tap Bazaar for mana, generate 20 mana and Necromancy the Tinder Wall into play and flash back Flaming Gambit for twenty. It's completely wriitten out above.

The Sun's Bounty / Ifh-Biff Efreet kill seems better because it can't get Misdirected and isn't any more cards in the deck.  (It can also win normally in the course of a game without requiring the opponent to have zero creatures in play, not that that matters for the purposes of a turn 0 kill.)

[Tin_Mox5831]

1) Gemstone Caverns -> Pitching a card.
2) Spoils Of The Vault naming Bouncing Beebles.

Voila!

Oh, you wanted me to kill them? Oops.  :lol:

[parallax]

1) Gemstone Caverns -> Pitching a card.
2) Spoils Of The Vault naming Bouncing Beebles.

Voila!

Oh, you wanted me to kill them? Oops.  :lol:

This doesn't work if you play Bouncing Beebles.

[PipOC]

Gemstone Caverns(1), pitch card(2), dark ritual(3), dark ritual(4), entomb(5) dragon, necromancy(6) on dragon, entomb(7) amabassador, mill for a bajillion on their upkeep.

Voila!

[Dante]

Gemstone Caverns(1), pitch card(2), dark ritual(3), dark ritual(4), entomb(5) dragon, necromancy(6) on dragon, entomb(7) amabassador, mill for a bajillion on their upkeep.

Voila!

Entomb is restricted, how are you playing the 2nd one?  Plus, you missed what I missed - the player going first doesn't draw, so they won't die until your turn or their next draw phase.   

[freakish777]

If False Dawn were an instant this would be elementary with Dark Rituals.


Also is there anyway to abuse Songs of the Damned here?

[zimagic]

If False Dawn were an instant this would be elementary with Dark Rituals.

Also is there anyway to abuse Songs of the Damned here?

Seeing as you have 20 life and you are planning to kill the opponent before he gets to his first main phase, si there anything you can pay 19 life to that will help us? It's a resource no-one has mentioned yet.

I'm thinking Bond of Agony/Fire Covenant.

If you forked a Fire Covenant, would you have to pay X life twice or would it copy the amount paid the first time?

[parallax]

If False Dawn were an instant this would be elementary with Dark Rituals.


Also is there anyway to abuse Songs of the Damned here?

Seeing as you have 20 life and you are planning to kill the opponent before he gets to his first main phase, si there anything you can pay 19 life to that will help us? It's a resource no-one has mentioned yet.

Quicken-Channel requires too much mana to get going. You need to generate .

[zimagic]

The actual kill involves cycling through the deck with Bazaar of Baghdad (which you get off Crop Rotation) until you hit Riftstone Portal, Tinder Wall and Flaming Gambit. Then you can tap Bazaar for mana, generate 20 mana and Necromancy the Tinder Wall into play and flash back Flaming Gambit for twenty. It's completely wriitten out above.

The Sun's Bounty / Ifh-Biff Efreet kill seems better because it can't get Misdirected and isn't any more cards in the deck.  (It can also win normally in the course of a game without requiring the opponent to have zero creatures in play, not that that matters for the purposes of a turn 0 kill.)

Add a single "target player draw's a card" effect and you can win straight away: Sapphire Charm is the cheapest instant at U (ok you win at the beginnig of his upkeep) but the following also work at 1U:
Words of Wisdom
Vision Skiens

[combo_dude]

Why not:

Gemstone Caverns
(random card to remove)
Dark Ritual
Dark Ritual
Entomb
Necromancy
Skeletal Scrying

...and then cast Scrying with the Dragon loop on the stack and a lot of colourless mana, removing Ritual x2 and Entomb and drawing into Divergent Growth, Ghitu Fire, and Elvish Spirit Guide? That way, you use ESG to create G, which you use to cast Growth, which allows you to tap Cavern for R, and boom.

[parallax]

Why not:

Gemstone Caverns
(random card to remove)
Dark Ritual
Dark Ritual
Entomb
Necromancy
Skeletal Scrying

...and then cast Scrying with the Dragon loop on the stack and a lot of colourless mana, removing Ritual x2 and Entomb and drawing into Divergent Growth, Ghitu Fire, and Elvish Spirit Guide? That way, you use ESG to create G, which you use to cast Growth, which allows you to tap Cavern for R, and boom.

You'll see several Skeletal Scrying solutions on the first page. Those do have better kill conditions than my recent version, using Flaming Gambit. However, I believe the latest kill is more elegant as it doesn't require drawing specific cards after your initial seven.

[zimagic]

Why not:

Gemstone Caverns
(random card to remove)
Dark Ritual
Dark Ritual
Entomb
Necromancy
Skeletal Scrying

...and then cast Scrying with the Dragon loop on the stack and a lot of colourless mana, removing Ritual x2 and Entomb and drawing into Divergent Growth, Ghitu Fire, and Elvish Spirit Guide? That way, you use ESG to create G, which you use to cast Growth, which allows you to tap Cavern for R, and boom.

You'll see several Skeletal Scrying solutions on the first page. Those do have better kill conditions than my recent version, using Flaming Gambit. However, I believe the latest kill is more elegant as it doesn't require drawing specific cards after your initial seven.

I know this is just for the giggles but some of the solutions being bandied about wouldn't be to far out of place in a normal Dragon deck. Anyone care to have a shot at the list?

[jro]

Add a single "target player draw's a card" effect and you can win straight away: Sapphire Charm is the cheapest instant at U (ok you win at the beginnig of his upkeep) but the following also work at 1U:
Words of Wisdom
Vision Skiens

How do you get the draw spell into your hand?  If you've used Bazaar to find Laquatus and then generate mana, your deck will be in your yard, so you need to pull it out of the yard.  The only way to do that (since there's no instant flashback targetted draw spells) is to reanimate an Eternal Witness, and you can't do that since you've already used your reanimation effect to bring back Laquatus.  Not to mention that you can't make U to cast the draw spell anyway.

If you could somehow make one more black mana, you could do this: loop to put your library into your yard, then pull a Witness out of the yard with your first Necromancy, and then use that to return a Necromancy, and then reanimate a Dragon, and loop to put your yard in your hand.  That would presumably make a kill pretty trivial.  But I don't see how you can set up the Bazaar/Dragon loop without spending 4 mana, and that seems like the most you can get given the cards necessary to set up that loop.

[freakish777]

Using parallax's Dragon combo solution into milling Riftstone Portal for infinite mana off Bazaar of Baghdad we can replace the kill condition (Flaming Gambit) with:

Think Twice
Krosan Reclamation
Stroke of Genius

[jro]

Using parallax's Dragon combo solution into milling Riftstone Portal for infinite mana off Bazaar of Baghdad we can replace the kill condition (Flaming Gambit) with:

Think Twice
Krosan Reclamation
Stroke of Genius

1) Where do you get the double blue mana from? The Gemstone Cavern only makes W or G.  2) This uses at least 1 extra card in the deck compared to Sun's Bounty / Ifh-Biff Efreet or Flaming Gambit / Tinder Wall.

[Necrologia]

Channel Ball Redux:

Gemstone Caverns
Card to Pitch

3 ESG

Flaming Gambit

Channel

Well, there's a 7 card win without using the Dragon Shell.

EDIT: Derf, Channel's a sorcery. That's what I get for posting at 4 am 

[technogeek5000]

Why not:

Gemstone Caverns
(random card to remove)
Dark Ritual
Dark Ritual
Entomb
Necromancy
Skeletal Scrying

...and then cast Scrying with the Dragon loop on the stack and a lot of colourless mana, removing Ritual x2 and Entomb and drawing into Divergent Growth, Ghitu Fire, and Elvish Spirit Guide? That way, you use ESG to create G, which you use to cast Growth, which allows you to tap Cavern for R, and boom.

You'll see several Skeletal Scrying solutions on the first page. Those do have better kill conditions than my recent version, using Flaming Gambit. However, I believe the latest kill is more elegant as it doesn't require drawing specific cards after your initial seven.

I know this is just for the giggles but some of the solutions being bandied about wouldn't be to far out of place in a normal Dragon deck. Anyone care to have a shot at the list?

Never seen dragon... ever. But ive been doing a little research and i might have come up with sumptin

Mana source(22):
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
2 Riftsone portal
3 underground sea
3 gemstone caverns
4 polluted delta
1 Mox Pearl
1 badlands
4 Bazaar of baghdad

Creatures(5):
1 sundering titan
4 Worldgorger Dragon

Enchantments(6):
2 animate dead
4 Necromancy

Instants(17):
1 ancestrall recall
4 dark ritual
1 entomb
3 force of will
2 intuition
2 Fiery gambit
1 Vampiric tutor
2 Brainstorm

Sorceries(2):
1 stroke of genius
1 demonic tutor

Sideboard(15):
3 chain of vapor
2 trickbind
1 darkblast
1 diabolic edict
2 misdirection
1 stroke of genius
1 Tabernacle at pendrell vale
3 repeal
1 massacre

Lol... dragon has got to be the most complicated deck to build. I tried it from scratch and got a pile of shit, so then i took the highest placing dragon list on Star city games and went from there. Yah i took out a few draw cards but nothing that would completely throw off the deck... i hope. I unfortunately can't playtest it now because i got 2 go but everyone is free to try it.