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« on: September 07, 2006, 05:09:44 am » |
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When Wizards of the Coast announced they were reprinting Incinerate I almost died and simultaneously got an erection. What the hell were they on? Why is Wizards printing so many good burn spells? Did they not say they would not print it because it was too strong? What's next? Chain Lightning?
Then that really got me thinkin'. What old or just plain powerful cards could they reprint. The best one I could think of is...
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MOAT
Yes that's right, Moat. I could actually see them repirnting Moat. At 4 mana the soonest it could come down with any regularity is turn 4. By that time it is highly likely you could be in burn range, your opponent could Remand/Leak it, have some other answer, have a unicorn in play, etc. The double White could be problematic, although not in the current Standard. It would have very little impact on any older formats, and Limited too because it was a rare.
What do you think? Am I off my rocker? What else could they repint that was historically powerful but comparatively tame in a modern Magic enviroment?
Beef or chicken?
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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2006, 05:19:41 am » |
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Because Moat is a rare i will not be reprinted as their own statutes do state they will not reprint rares from older sets.
That said, manadrain could be reprinted but because of the sheer power it probably will not be reprinted.
Force of will as an uncommon can be reprinted, but i think it will be a DCI foil when they do.
Lim dul's vault would be a really nice card to reprint. It is a very versatile card and could have an impact on any environment.
All the white and black protection pump knights could also see reprint. Both the fallen empires ones as well as the ice age ones. Next to that perhaps the shadow critters.
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2006, 01:20:31 pm » |
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I think Nether Void is a really fair card and it could see play and not be distorting. It also screws blue so so hard.
Stormbind is probably pretty tame these days too.
I could see Impulse coming back.
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2006, 02:06:41 pm » |
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Wizards has said on multiple occaisions they want Brainstorm back in Extended. I wouldn't be surprised to see it get reprinted.
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2006, 02:54:22 pm » |
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berserk is safe. one of: sol ring/mana vault/mana crypt; if the T2 environment has no other mana accel. maybe on-color true dual lands. and then the off colors later.
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2006, 03:43:41 pm » |
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Wizards has said on multiple occaisions they want Brainstorm back in Extended. I wouldn't be surprised to see it get reprinted.
Have they also not said the card was insanely powerful? From my point of view they made it seem like they did not want the card back.
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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2006, 04:01:52 pm » |
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Wizards has said on multiple occaisions they want Brainstorm back in Extended. I wouldn't be surprised to see it get reprinted.
Have they also not said the card was insanely powerful? From my point of view they made it seem like they did not want the card back. What they don't want is to ruin Standard by printing all of the best Extended cards. The problem that Wizards has to solve is how to keep strong cards like Brainstorm from dominating Standard while reprinting them frequently enough to keep them in Extended, where they are fair.
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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2006, 05:08:57 pm » |
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one of: sol ring/mana vault/mana crypt; if the T2 environment has no other mana accel.
This would be horrible for Standard. Turn 2 Loxodon Heirarch/Giant Solifuge/Iwamori? Anyone not running the Ring/Vault/Crypt would get destroyed, hence the metagame would devolve into every deck running 4x fast artifact mana + other stuff. That's ultimately not what Wizards wants to do (in in their best interest) with their formats if they can help it. I could see Impulse coming back.
I would be happy to see Impulse back. I don't think its overly powerful. At 4 mana the soonest it could come down with any regularity is turn 4. Birds, Signets, Elves, sac-elders, Utopia Tree, Fellwar Stone, Rampant Growth, Coldsteel Heart, Into the North, Farseek... and the fastest you think it's going to hit play is turn 4 with any consistancy? These cards or cards like them (aside from Birds) will be in basically every set. Sure its gotta be in your opening grip, but Moat is so much more powerful than Wrath of God. As far as burn range goes, see life gain spells + counters following up (permanent neutralization as opposed to well shoot now I need another creature), end result, Moat hoses Black and Red since they can't deal with enchantments and their reach can be countered. and Limited too because it was a rare. Sure, it'd be rare, but if you didn't first pick it out of any of the 3 packs, you're not bright. Open it in the first pack, "I'm going White." Open it in the second pack "I'm switching to White." Open it in the last pack "Holy Crap, I was only splashing White, looks like my mana base needs to support double White..." or "Holy crap, this completely destroys the deck I drafted, and if the guy who's got White gets it and didn't draft the worst possible cards, I'm guarenteed to face him as he won't be defeated, looks like I'm hate drafting this" or "Meh, I have a bunch of flyers... I wonder if I can add in some White mana and just drop this for random game wins." Permanent solutions to creatures are some good in Limited.
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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2006, 05:40:03 pm » |
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Grim Tutor could EASILY be reprinted.
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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2006, 09:17:20 pm » |
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Grim Tutor could EASILY be reprinted.
So could Imperial Seal.
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2006, 10:24:58 pm » |
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Seal would be playable in standard and extended, grim tutor would barely be better than Diabolic in those formats.
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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2006, 11:01:05 pm » |
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Because Moat is a rare i will not be reprinted as their own statutes do state they will not reprint rares from older sets.
That said, manadrain could be reprinted but because of the sheer power it probably will not be reprinted. Mana Drain may not be on the Reserve List, but it is on a much stronger list. One R&D Member was quoted as saying "The entire R&D Team would have to be run over by a bus before we reprint Mana Drain." Until that happens, Drain will never be reprinted. Now, if it somehow does, then we should make WotC make good on their promise.
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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2006, 12:06:58 am » |
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Seal would be playable in standard and extended, grim tutor would barely be better than Diabolic in those formats.
Just because it is playable doesn't mean it couldn't be reprinted. Vamp was in extended forever when the format actually had good cards. Imp is worse than Vamp so I think it is fine. The damage would really start adding up with the current manabase of INFINITE SHOCKLANDS that are popular. Definitely agree that Grim would probably be unplayable in other formats.
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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2006, 12:12:37 am » |
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and Limited too because it was a rare. Sure, it'd be rare, but if you didn't first pick it out of any of the 3 packs, you're not bright. Open it in the first pack, "I'm going White." Open it in the second pack "I'm switching to White." Open it in the last pack "Holy Crap, I was only splashing White, looks like my mana base needs to support double White..." or "Holy crap, this completely destroys the deck I drafted, and if the guy who's got White gets it and didn't draft the worst possible cards, I'm guarenteed to face him as he won't be defeated, looks like I'm hate drafting this" or "Meh, I have a bunch of flyers... I wonder if I can add in some White mana and just drop this for random game wins." Permanent solutions to creatures are some good in Limited. Moat is tame compared to some of the cards they have printed. Jitte, for example. Half of Onslaught block. X Spells... I'm sure there are other things I'm forgetting.
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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2006, 01:03:45 am » |
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I would really like to have another two or three mana hard counter.
Memory Lapse would be ideal. and insane.
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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2006, 03:02:22 am » |
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Because Moat is a rare i will not be reprinted as their own statutes do state they will not reprint rares from older sets.
They reprinted older rares in new sets ( Savannah Lion?), just not certain ones on the "reserved list." Not all older rares are on the reserved list, to my knowledge.
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2006, 08:27:17 am » |
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I'd love to see Moat, and I consider it a possible in the environment. Alas, Moat is on the Reserved List and, as such, has no chance of ever being reprinted as long as the policy is in effect. Looking at the Time Spiral "totem" cycle, the Reserved List seems to be rather an inspiration source, though. We might see an "anti-Moat", something that stops fliers only. That could be fun! As for what they could reprint, Lotus Petal would be awesome, but unlikely. In an environment where Bob and Sensei's Divining Top are accepted, I think Sylvan Library could be a legitimate successor (even though it's green). Another one of my old favorites is Razor Pendulum, which hasn't had a chance to shine, really, but could be quite a lot of fun. I'm not sure if it is tournament viable, but the card certainly could be around for a while just to see what happens. I'd also love Misdirection to come back, which I don't see as too unlikely. It's a long shot, but would be great. Force of Will, by the way, is not on the Reserved List. A reprint is very unlikely, though.
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2006, 10:29:32 am » |
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Mana Leak has got to leave the base set, with Rune Snag in the environment. I could easily see Hinder moving into the base set to open up the 2CC design space a little more (like Rune Snag). I could also see Brainstorm getting reprinted, especially since they've given us a crappy fetchland. By the way, they're making an interesting tension between the snow-basic decks, powered by the new fetchland, Into the North, Mouth of Ronom and Scrying Sheets, and the new dual manabase, powered by Wood Elves, Farseek, and the duals. I think they'll play up to that by putting some sort of basic fetcher into 9th, either by keeping Rampant Growth in the core set or replacing it with Sakura-Tribe Elder.
It's a pity top is gone, because that's such a healthy card for the environment. I wouldn't be surprised if it moved into the core set at rare, or got reprinted in Time Spiral (unlikely). Also, I wonder if they'll find some way to get Counterspell back in the environment. It would do nasty things to T2, but they seem to want to keep it in Extended.
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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2006, 03:37:24 pm » |
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I REALLY wish Mouth of Ronom wasn't a snow land so it could be back in 10th, that card is infinitely balanced and opening cool lands is so fun.
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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2006, 05:43:08 pm » |
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They could and should reprint Fork. Wouldn't it be neat to have Fork and Twincast both legal in extended at the same time? I bet some deck designer would have an erection and anuerysm simultaneously.
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