THE BEST VINTAGE CARDS IN TIME SPIRAL

[Roxas]

Instead of having a bajillion threads on the cards in Time Spiral with the most Vintage potential, here's a thread where they can be found in one place. I'll start.

Deep-Sea Kraken
7UUU
Creature - Kraken
6/6
Deep-Sea Kraken is unblockable. Suspend 9-2U Whenever an opponent plays a spell, if Deep-Sea Kraken is suspended, remove a time counter from it.

This is a very good way to hose Tendrils decks. They can no longer go off against you, because if they do, you will end up with a 6/6 unblockable on the table. They will be hard pressed to win through it, since it's too big to kill with Darkblast, Fire/Ice, or Massacre, and so forth. I guess it'd suck to have it bounced, but that is a minor drawback. It obviously crushes fish too, and can even race Darksteel Colossus with the support of some equipment, or Might of Oaks + Berserk.


Greater Gargadon
9R
Creature - Beast
9/7
Suspend 10-R Sacrifice an artifact, creature, or land: Remove a time counter from Greater Gargadon. Play this ability only if Greater Gargadon is suspended.

This is an incredible stax hoser. You can Suspend it on turn one despite the presence of Chalice of the Void, Sphere of Resistance, or Trinisphere. Instead of wastefully sacrificing your permanents to their Smokestack or uselessly tapping them to Tangle Wire, you can sacrifice them to remove its time counters and accelerate this broken monster into play. A definite four-of sideboard card in a Stax-heavy metagame.


Phthisis
3BBBB
Sorcery
Destroy target creature. Its controller loses life equal to its power plus its toughness. Suspend 5-1B (Rather than play this card from your hand, you may pay 1B and remove it from the game with five time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, play it without paying its mana cost.)

This one might be a good way to take down Darksteel Colossus. It is easily castable via a few Rituals, or you can simply Suspend it and hold off the Colossus with Time Walk recursion, Force Field, and other options. The only problem I see with this card is that it is vulnerable to Chalice of the Void set to seven, which overlaps with other bombs you might run such as Lady Orca and Fury of the Horde.


Walk the Aeons
4UU
Sorcery
Buyback-Sacrifice three Islands. (You may sacrifice three Islands in addition to any other costs as you play this spell. If you do, put this card into your hand as it resolves.) Target player takes an extra turn after this one.

This will excel in decks with numerous islands - namely, Control Slaver and Meandeck Gifts. The six-mana cost might seem excessive, but people play Yawgmoth's Bargain, Mind's Desire, and Mindslaver, don't they? After all, many people do complain about how slow Mana Drain is these days, so you don't need to worry about it as much anymore.


Eternity Snare
5U
Enchantment - Aura
Enchant creature When Eternity Snare comes into play, draw a card. Enchanted creature doesn't untap during its controller's untap step.

Another Colossus hoser.  Damn, that guy is screwed.


Vesuvan Shapeshifter
3UU
Creature - Shapeshifter
0/0
As Vesuvan Shapeshifter comes into play or is turned face up, you may choose another creature in play. If you do, until Vesuvan Shapeshifter is turned face down, it becomes a copy of that creature and gains "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may turn this creature face down." Morph 1U

This thing is insane. You can use it to match an opponent's Darksteel Colossus (man, this set really hates that guy). It can also guarantee that you win every Welder war. You can also use it to copy combo's Xantid Swarms so that they can't cast their spells during your turn anymore. At worst, it trades for a fish creature.

   
Spectral Force
3GG
Creature - Elemental Spirit
8/8
Trample Whenever Spectral Force attacks, if defending player controls no black permanents, it doesn't untap during your next untap step.

This thing is simply awesome against combo decks that contain Yawgmoth's Bargain, Necropotence, or black animate enchantments. It's a very efficient threat against such decks, but it isn't quite so good against other ones. I'd definitely consider it in any deck with green, but it's probably stuck in the sideboard.


Greenseeker
G
Creature - Elf Spellshaper
1/1
G, T, Discard a card: Search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your library.

GG Wasteland. Hahaha, get it, "G G?"


Ground Rift
R
Sorcery
Target creature without flying can't block this turn. Storm (When you play this spell, copy it for each spell played before it this turn. You may choose new targets for the copies.)

Tired of having your opponents survive your Darksteel Colossus by blocking it with like five guys, untapping, and then killing you? This solves that problem. Maybe it will help offset all of the Colossus hate in this set.


Moonlace
U
Instant
Target spell or permanent becomes colorless.

This will win you every single post-board control mirror by making your Ancestral Recalls and Tinkers immune to those annoying red blasts. I'm hesitant to tell you all about how good this card is because of my special connection to red blasts, but I'm a fan of open technology and am just a really nice guy.


Candles of Leng
2
Artifact
4, T Reveal the top card of your library. If it has the same name as a card in your graveyard, put it into your graveyard. Otherwise, draw a card.

This is amazing in Vintage; you are all but guaranteed to actually draw the card, since most decks in Vintage are made up almost entirely of restricted cards. Sure, you'll lose a land once in a while, but aren't you sick and tired of drawing those all the time anyway?


I guess that's all I can come up with for now. Damn, this set is awesome. I'll probably add to this later once my mind is able to comprehend the sweeping changes these cards will bring to Vintage.

(My apologies in advance to the mods and staff.)

[TheBrassMan]

you forgot:

Brass Gnat
1
Arifact Creature - Insect
1/1

Flying
Brass Gnat doesn't untap during your untap step.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may pay 1 Mana. If you do, untap Brass Gnat.

[wethepeople]

I love big brother.

[Pathian]

Ignorance is strength

I love big brother.

[TopSecret]

Seriously, you forgot:

Dream Stalker

Creature - Illusion   
When Dream Stalker comes into play, return a permanent you control to its owner's hand.

1/5

This card is insane in Vintage because:

#1) He has mad synergy with Moxen.
#2) He raises storm count.
#3) He can trump any fish creature for two mana, and usually not even two mana,
      because he can return Moxen.
#4) He busts Phyrexian Etchings wide open.
#5) He is so busted with Standstill and AEther Vial... So, so busted.
#6) He has mad synergy with Joten Grunt, and every other playable cumulative upkeep card.
#7) He can block Joten Grunt.
#8) He is sick with every 187 creature, including Eternal Witness and Trinket Mage.
#9) After only playing two of these guys, you can block Colossus and only take 1 damage.
      (I agree, R&D is hating on the big man.)
#10) This guy makes flippling Erayo a piece of cake.
#11) He tilts the scales, making the Cloudskate // Krovikan Mist Tribal Deck insane.
#12) This guy makes Fading a joke. Seriously, he returns Tangle Wire and Blastoderm.
#13) He can return himself.

     I'm sure there are more uses I have not listed,
but I am currently busy, working on a deck to abuse this guy before anyone else.

TopSecret

[Machinus]

Even if it is awesome, I love "big brother."

[Danzig]

I love big brother.

[Tobi]

Spectral Force
3GG
Creature - Elemental Spirit
8/8
Trample Whenever Spectral Force attacks, if defending player controls no black permanents, it doesn't untap during your next untap step.

This thing is simply awesome against combo decks that contain Yawgmoth's Bargain, Necropotence, or black animate enchantments. It's a very efficient threat against such decks, but it isn't quite so good against other ones. I'd definitely consider it in any deck with green, but it's probably stuck in the sideboard.

Can you spell DEATHLACE???!!!!!!!

[Bram]

You know, it actually took me about a minute to figure out you were being sarcastic.

[VarienTanafres]

You know, it actually took me about a minute to figure out you were being sarcastic.

L...O...L...that was funny -.-

[wethepeople]

You know, it actually took me about a minute to figure out you were being sarcastic.

Don't feel bad, i thought he was serious at first as well, but once i got to like Moonlace i knew it was a joke.  When i got to Spectral Elemental i could've swarn this was a serious "New Card Discussion". 

[Dominik]

You know, it actually took me about a minute to figure out you were being sarcastic.

Don't feel bad, i thought he was serious at first as well, but once i got to like Moonlace i knew it was a joke.  When i got to Spectral Elemental i could've swarn this was a serious "New Card Discussion". 

Ahhh... now it all makes sense. I thought that the poster just went kookoo for coacoa puffs and actually liked those cards for vintage...

[Kowal]

...Man, you guys are not sharp.  Wow.

"I HURD IT ON TEH INTARWEB IS MUST BE TRU!"

[rare hunter]

Big Brother should be banned in all formats. Being able to turn any card into Big Brother is crazy.

[The Atog Lord]

Jesus, thanks for not leaking our new Chronatog Totem tech.

EDIT: Oops. Mods, please remove this post.

Use the Delete a Post function, N00b
-- TAL

[wethepeople]

I love Big Brother.

i think big brother just broke the entire Vintage format.

[zeus-online]

Greater Gargadon
9R
Creature - Beast
9/7
Suspend 10-R Sacrifice an artifact, creature, or land: Remove a time counter from Greater Gargadon. Play this ability only if Greater Gargadon is suspended.

i think Time Spiral just broke the entire Vintage format.

Yeah with all the moxen you can get him out soooo fast....!! You just go Land, mox, mox, mox, mox, mox, suspend this dude, sac all your permanents and then turn 5, BAM! 9/7 in your face! ....man what are wizards thinking?

[Gandalf_The_White_1]

Greater Gargadon
9R
Creature - Beast
9/7
Suspend 10-R Sacrifice an artifact, creature, or land: Remove a time counter from Greater Gargadon. Play this ability only if Greater Gargadon is suspended.

i think Time Spiral just broke the entire Vintage format.

Yeah with all the moxen you can get him out soooo fast....!! You just go Land, mox, mox, mox, mox, mox, suspend this dude, sac all your permanents and then turn 5, BAM! 9/7 in your face! ....man what are wizards thinking?

They just don't understand Vintage.

[TopSecret]

Greater Gargadon
9R
Creature - Beast
9/7
Suspend 10-R Sacrifice an artifact, creature, or land: Remove a time counter from Greater Gargadon. Play this ability only if Greater Gargadon is suspended.

i think Time Spiral just broke the entire Vintage format.

Yeah with all the moxen you can get him out soooo fast....!! You just go Land, mox, mox, mox, mox, mox, suspend this dude, sac all your permanents and then turn 5, BAM! 9/7 in your face! ....man what are wizards thinking?

They just don't understand Vintage.

     OMG... This guy works with Hatching Plans, too! Busted!

TopSecret

[The Atog Lord]

I love atogs





...and Big Brother.

[Methuselahn]

Obviously the best cards in the set are the new reprints of Big Brother.  I saw the foil versions while at the prerelease.  Those things are going to be the money cards.

[MishraTron]

OMg Big Brother pwned at the pre-release today. <3 him.

[Harlequin]

Very nice. my favorite was:

The only problem I see with this card is that it is vulnerable to Chalice of the Void set to seven, which overlaps with other bombs you might run such as Lady Orca and Fury of the Horde.

But seriously... best tech is:  Urza's Factory + Candelabra TIMES EIGHT !!!!  You could run so many Urzalands + cloudposts.  your 2/2 army would be invincible. 

Also I am currently looking into meshing the new thalids with the fabled thaids from fallen empires.  Also with the Verdant enchant, all my thalids will be working overtime to make 1/1 armies.

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[Based]

Sekret tek:

Hand:

Crypt
Fastbond
Crucible
Island
Island
Island
Lotus
Horn of Greed (always get the draw for most tek)

Lotus for GGG -> Fastbond (GG)
Crypt -> Horn of Greed (G)
Island, Island, Island -> More island/Artifact mana/WALK THE AEONS GG

Here's the deck:
1 Fastbond
4 Walk the Aeons
4 Horn of Greed
4 Crucible of Worlds

(13 Combo)

7 SoLoMoxen
4 Force of Will (my bro told me they're good)
4 Chalice of the Void (your important cards are lands so gg)
1 Spellbook (cuz you'll have so many cards)
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Lotus Petal
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Lotus Blossom
1 Ivory Tower (alternate win)
1 Mind over Matter (vs. Darksteel)
1 Mountain Goat (for win)

1 Tolarian Academy
18  Islands
1 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Wintermoon Mesa (hoses stax)

Needs a sideboard, but I think the concept is solid

[meadbert]

Here are some Turboland hints.  First you might as well run Fetches since one Fetch can be recurred with Crucible to fetch ALL of your Islands.

Second you can sac Tropical Island to this new cards that is supposedly so good.

Third if you have Fastbond + Crucible in play you should be winning that turn already.  If you don't have those cards then you will not pay the buyback cost and Time Warp would be better but still bad.

If you run Horn (which you probably should not) then you must run explorations.

I have probably played more games with turboland than anyone else over the past year.  I love the deck.  I am comfortable saying that in game one Intuition is far better than Horns and Draw 7s.

Intuition as a 4 of is a must.  Next argivian Find is hot.  You can not only Find out Find out Fastbond if you dredge it into the graveyard.  You can also Intuition for 2 Argivian Find and Fastbond to essentially tutor for Fastbond.  It is a high cost but Turboland does not care about casting cost in the midgame because of its obscene mana development.

In the early game Intuition should be used to get some combination of Bazaar of Baghdad, Life from the Loam, Strip Mine, Squee Goblin Nabob.  This generally provides you with +2 cards a turn and your opponent gets nothing.  This is better than Horn.  Horns advantage is that it is essentially a game ending Combo with Fastbond.  Fastbond + Horn + Loam = Draw your deck.

Zuron Orb sucks.  Use Glacial Chasm.  Zuron Orb is hated out by something like 15 cards in Uba Stax alone.  If they waste your chasm just play it back.

The best win condition is Barbarian Ring.  It can also be Intuitioned for to get rid of annoying Welders.

For disruption Null Rod is amazing.  Next you have Ancient Grudge and Ray of Revelation. Which can be Intuitioned for.

Ancient Grudge is the perfect solution to Chalice@1.  I used to have to run Seal of Cleansing and Sterling Grove to tutor for it but that was terrible.  This is much better.

Fastbond + Crucible = you win with Bazaar out.  You can just mill your whole deck till you get a Nomad Stadium or Glacial Chasm.  Chasm means you don't lose life to fastbond.  Nomad Stadium actually gives you infinite life.  Then get Ring and do infinite Damage.  If ring is Needled you can now Ancient Grudge it.  If Ancient Grudge is RFGed then just use Cephalid Colliseum to deck your opponent.

Sample Deck

3 WindsweptHeath
2 WoodedFoothills
1 Taiga
1 Bayou
2 Tropical Island
2 Savannah
1 Barbarian Ring
1 Cephalid Colliseum
1 Nomad Stadium
1 Ancient Tomb
1 Mishra's Workshop
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald

4 Bazaar Of Baghdad
2 Glacial Chasm

1 Fastbond
4 Exploration
4 Crucible
2 Horn of Greed

3 Null Rod

1 Demonic Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Regrowth

4 Intuition
4 ArgivianFind
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Ray of Revelation
1 Life from the Loam
1 Squee Goblin Nabob

1 Words of War

SB: Depends on meta
3 Ancient Grudge
3 Ray of Revelation
1 Null Rod
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Sphere of Resistance

Chalice and Rod take care of Crypt.  Ray takes care of planar Void + Leyline of the Void.
Tinker->DSC is a pretty decent back up win condition but I like Words of War.
Words of Wilding can be good against certain decks as well.

Sylvan Scrying Sucks if you don't run more moxes.
Crop Rotation is randomly good at times, but I hate losing my only land if it is countered.

[Klep]

If you want to talk about Turboland, create a thread for it in the appropriate forum.  This thread is for discussing Time Spiral's impact on Vintage.


-Klep


ZOMG!  How could you miss Magus of the Candelabra?!! You can now run 5 Candelabras! Broken!

[Komatteru]

You can now run 5 8 (Candelebra hasn't been restricted since like 2000, n00b) Candelabras! Broken!

I love Big Brother.

Congratulations! You have just earned a warning for screwing around with moderator edits.  This is a very serious thread in a very serious forum and such actions will not be tolerated.  In fact, while we're at it, I might have to give you two warnings, one for that and the other for that unnecessary and overly abrasive flame directed at a moderator.  Yeah, I'm Big Brother, and this is the way it is.  You have two options, jerk: accept it, or join your pal Storm.

-Jacob "The Iron Fist" Orlove

In case you couldn't guess, Jacob never actually edited this. Yeah, Big Brother is good like that.  He can force users to edit in their own punishments.

Actually, none of this is real, so don't get excited.

[DoubleDrain]

hey REB thanks for the laugh!!