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« on: July 06, 2008, 08:59:43 pm »

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Top 8 is as follows:
Brett Allen -Hiryu- (Storm) vs Phillip Yam (UWFish)
David Ochoa - Webster (Storm) vs Christiaan Royer - Zhalfirin (Trinket Slaver w/artifact lands)
Luis Scott-Vargas - LSV (Storm) vs Stan Gin (Ichorid)
Ray Christopher (Grim Long) vs Lucas Siow (Standstill)

Someone jacked my camera whilst I was on vacation, so cell phone pics will have to do for now. Pics will be up later, as will actual results, and eventually decklists at www.eudemonia.net/p9


Klemic destroyed me 2-1.  Actually, these were the first actual "games" we ever played.  He got game 1 fair and square, I got game 2 fair and square (as fair as Shops get) and game 3 could have gone either way...  Usually our games are totally lopsided.  The noob thing on the deck box was written as a joke by Austin and Junior in order to take such a pic.  Technically, it shows that Austin and Junior will write on my deck boxes that I paid money for.  But it was actually a funny idea for a pic and Klemic gets a reason to actually kick my ass next time we meet! Too bad he doesn't post on TMD. Smile


Junior has been trained to deal with the Dark Rit, Hippy, Go openning...


Eric Campusano and Brett Allen are Eudemonia Veterans. Too bad the pic is blurry, but Eric has lots of goodness out...


JeffTheFob vs Credmond's Vroman.dec


Junior the Noob after I smashed him games 2 and 3 (game 1 he killed me first turn after winning his die roll...). He scoops to any and all lock peices.


Webster doing his best Roy Schieder impersonation, not by saying he needs a bigger boat, but just simply by pwning fish...


Nothing special here, but just illustrating that Cell Phone pics aren't as quick and easy as real digital camera pics, his Viashino Heretic SB hate sealed the deal vs LotusHead round 1. I actually had Damping Matrix in the sideboard just for Heretic, Welder, Grindstone, explosives, Salvager, SpellBombs, Crypts and Tops... Too bad I didn't side them in...


Top 8 Action.  Standstill x2 in graveyard already, plus 1 in hand, plus waste upon waste upon waste.  Grim guy was not having fun. (add Chalice for 1 to make it hurt worse...)


More Top 8. Ochoa got game 1, buy setting his hand down face up after Brett's duressed hand had not business/answers/plans...


Top 8: Fish vs Brett.

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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2008, 11:52:48 pm »

Thanks Jeff for posting pictures, I thought there were no pictures because you told me some asshole jacked your camera ><.  These pictures were great, it seems like I don't have to bring my camera now XD.

Regarding the tourney I played Oath to a 9th place finish.  I am not entirely sure I was more bitter about getting 9th or playing Oath, but on the BART ride back to Fremont I am pretty sure I was more bitter about playing Oath.  Congrats. to Brett (Hiryu) and Luis splitting in the finals and props. to Brett taking down the O-Cho temporally stopping his reign of terror.  It seems like NorCal Vintage is Web + top 7 for a while now.  Phillip Yam also played an interesting deck; identify 60 main of the deck I played at Sapphire with some minor change in the board.  Fish, represent. 

God, I hate Oath.  Hate it with a passion.  Hating playing against it and playing with it; it just NEVER work out the way you wanted.  I.  Hate.  Oath.
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2008, 02:36:15 am »

Mini Report:

I made top 8 and then lost in the first round so I ended in 5-8 place.  Dredge is fun, this is my second tourney (3rd-4th place last tourney) after a 2 year break and as a returning player I felt like I was back to noob status and choose accordingly. 

Note to self:  this deck is broken.  End Note.


Decklist:

4 Bazaar of Baghdad
3 Petrified Fields
1 City of Brass

4 Serum Powder
4 Chalice of the Void (CotV)

4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Golgari Thug
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
4 Ichorid
4 Narcomoeba
1 Duplicant
1 Bogardan Hellkite
2 Flame-kin Zealot

4 Bridge from Below
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Unmask
4 Leyline of the Void (LotV)
4 Dredge Return

SB:
4 Gemstone Mine
3 City of Brass
4 Chain of Vapor
4 Emerald Charm

Round 1:  Cory playing something with Bazaar’s and Zombie Infestations.

I played Cory last tournament and he was playing u/r fish.  I anticipated something along the same lines for this tournament.

Game 1 – I win the die roll.  I have the turn 1 Bazaar.  He has mox and duress and see’s another Bazaar.  He then plays Undiscovered Paradise and crop rotates into a Strip Mine and uses it to kill my Bazaar.  I go on to play my second Bazaar and win with some tokens.

Game 2 – I side in all 15 sideboard cards, and side out 4 Leyline of the Void (LotV), 3 Petrified Field, 2 Stinkweed Imp, 1 Golgari Thug, 1 Narcomeoba, 1 Ichorid, 1 Flamekin Zealot, 1 Dredge Return, and 1 Duplicant. 

My opening hand has 3 Bazaar’s.  He duresses and see’s gas.  I dredge and get the same results as game 1. 

Round 2:  Christian playing Painter’s Servant/ Grindstone Combo

Game 1:  I am on the draw.  I mulligan to 5.  My life never moves off 20, his goes 20, 19 (force), 17, 15, 12, 2, dead.

Game 2:  I side in all 15 sideboard cards, and side out 4 Leyline of the Void (LotV), 3 Petrified Field, 2 Stinkweed Imp, 1 Golgari Thug, 1 Narcomeoba, 1 Ichorid, 1 Flame-kin Zealot, and 2 Dredge Return.  I keep in Duplicant for his Colossus or if he plays Platinum Angel.  I keep Hellkite for his random Welders.

I keep my opening 7.  He FoW my opening Unmask.  Then I attack for 2 turns  with my Narcomoeba.  He gets the Painter/Grindstone combo with exactly enough mana to cast it.  I get decked.

Game 3:  I mulligan to 4.  I open the game with a CotV and he is mana light.  He plays land and says go.  I dredge a bunch of stuff and pass the turn.  He draws and then passes it back.  After the game, he tells me that the CotV won me the game.  Mise.


Rant:  Somewhere between round 2 and round 3 I lost my pen.  I am sad b/c I didn’t have any extras.  For the love of god, if you see a random pen, please do not pick it up.  Or if you feel the need to pick it up, at least attempt to find out who the pen belongs to first.  I lost a $.10 cent plastic pen.  It is not the end of the world.  It is not worth that much to me other than the fact that I no longer have a pen and I would like to use it to keep my score.  It frickin sucks to lose a pen.  I feel for anyone that has ever had this happen to them and I curse the peeps that have ever taken a random pen without thinking about who it belonged to first.  The suckage didn’t stop there.  When the next round started, I was still thinking about my pen.  You could even say that I was a little on tilt.  But, what sucked the most was when the next round started, I didn’t see anyone else using my pen?!?!?  Big Sucks!  End Rant.

Round 3:  Jeff playing Control Slaver

Game 1:  I am on the draw.  I keep my opening hand.  He drops a Lotus, Mana Crypt and Tolarian Academy turn 1 and passes.  I’m wondering in my head WTF is going on?  He has 7 mana available and didn’t play anything?  I play an Unmask to see if the coast is clear pitching a Dredge Return.  He cast Mana Drain off the Academy.  I play my bazaar and draw into a second Unmask.  I discard to bazaar and then cast the second Unmask.  I see an Intuition, AK, land and Colossus.  He has enough mana with the mana drian mana to either hard cast Colossus or to cast Intuition and then AK for 3 and then for 4.  Since I’d rather try to race an 11/11 instead of giving him a full grip, I take the Intuition.  This may have been a mistake, but I thought this was a fine play at the time. 

He plays 11/11 and passes back.  I dredge and get a Narcomoeba.  Just a Narcomoeba and nothing else.  WTF?  Even one dredge card or some bridge from below would have helped me so I could try to dredge return on my Duplicant.  I pass.  Then die to 11/11 beats.

Game 2:  I side in all 15 sideboard cards, and side out 4 Leyline of the Void (LotV), 3 Petrified Field, 2 Stinkweed Imp, 1 Golgari Thug, 1 Narcomeoba, 1 Ichorid, 1 Flame-kin Zealot, 1 Hellkite and 1 Dredge Return.  I keep in Duplicant for his Colossus or if he plays Platinum Angel. 

I mulligan to 5.  Play bazaar and do my thing.  He plays a welder.  At some point I Unmask him and see Slaver, AK, Intuition, and something else.  I took the something else since he is short on mana and has no outlet for slaver to get in the bin.  At the end of my turn, he cast intuition for Time Walk, Tormod’s Crypt, and Black Lotus.  I gave him Crypt since my graveyard wasn’t full yet.  He activates Crypt during my upkeep.  I dredge some more cards and he has no action.  He then welds the T. Crypt back and eats my yard again.  So on my next turn, I start the random dredging again.  This time, I hit my Ichorids and swing him down to 3 with a 4/4 Golgari Grave-Troll and 4 zombie tokens.  He takes his turn and draws one card.  Plays Mindslaver and passes with 2 open mana.  I’m thinking there is no way he drew his Echoing Truth.  I have 6 cards left in my library and don’t want to deck myself, so I bring back my Ichorids and proceed with a regular draw.  I move to attack phase.  Guess what?  He drew his frickin E. Truth.  He blocks Grave-Troll with Welder and zaps all my zombies. 

So is Magic.  Next!

Round 4:  Alex playing Workshops

Game 1:  I start the game with LotV in play.  He is on the play and does nothing to bother me (I think played a sphere of resistance).  He has no way to remove it and my Ichorids keep coming into play and then leaving play to make me a bunch of zombie tokens.  Nothing special. 

Game 2:  I Sideboard a little differently since he has wastelands and stripmine.  I board in 4 Gemstone Mine and 4 Chain of Vapor.  I board out 4 CotV and 1 Stinkweed Imp, 2 Dredge Return, and 1 Flame-Kin Zealot.

I open the game with Bazaar, he wastelands it.  We play about 4-5 turns and then I scoop since he has full board control and I don’t have any dredgers. 

Game 3:  I’m on the play and open with LotV.  I then proceed to Bazaar a ton of cards.  He plays a Workshop Crucible turn one and then a Smokestack on turn 2.  By this time, I am recurring an Ichorid and have a Narcomoeba in play with 2 Bridges in the yard. 

His life total goes 20, 19, 15, 13, 0.

Round 5:  Luis with Long.dec

ID

Round 6: Top 8 vs Luis playing Long.dec

Gameplan is to get 2 pieces of disruption by turn one.  I wish I had started my game plan with something more basic like winning the die roll. 

Game 1:  I get LotV to start the game.  Then on my first turn I get a CotV into play.  His turn 2 involves him playing 9 spells including a Memory Jar and either a Twister or a Wheel into a Tendrils.  It’s Luis, what did I expect?  Lucksack. 

So he just killed me on turn 2.  I’m supposed to kill on turn 2!  AND he won through a LotV!?!?!

Game 2:  Sideboard in 3 Emerald Charm, 4 Gemstone Mine, 1 Chain of Vapor.  Sideout 3 Petrified Fields, 1 Dredge Return, 1 Hellkite, 1 Stinkweed Imp, 1 Golgari Thug, 1 Flame-Kin Zealot.

I’m fuzzy on this one, but if my life totals are any indication, then the below is a representation of him trying to go off and not quite making it. 

I am on the play and mulligan down to 5.  I play bazaar and then cast CotV.  His turn one involves playing mox into pithing needle naming bazaar.  And then 2 dark rituals and then a Memory Jar.  Internally, I am celebrating as I look at big stinks in the bin and realize if he activates Jar, I should win. 

My turn has an Ichorid attack him down to 17.  He must have fetched to 16.  Then turn 2 he activates Jar and breaks another fetch land going to 15, and cast grim tutor going to 12, then cycles street wraith to 10 and the imperial seals down to 8 and then street wraiths to 6 and then does something else and ends up at 2 when he looks at his cards and then scoops as he has nothing and my yard is full.

Game 3:  I change my sideboarded emerald charms (for explosiveness) for chain of vapors (for his pithing needle)

I start the game with Leyline, Bazaar and CotV.  I have a good start with a bridge in the yard and ichorid coming in and out of play to give me zombie tokens.  By turn 5, I’ve unmasked away a colossus, which I didn’t know goes back into the library, and also unmasked an tendrils.  I was assuming these were his only 2 threats, but as you can see, at 20 life he proceeded to play 9 spells and his second copy of Tendrils for the win. 

Sad Panda.


Changes to deck.  I think a Sundering Titan needs to be either in the maindeck or the sideboard.  Maybe cut the Hellkite.  Second, there needs to be an answer to Long.dec as they are faster than Dredge can handle.  Lastly, Darksteel Colossus needs to be in the sideboard to stop Grindstone from comboing out. 



Props:
Dredge for being broken
Luis for splitting in the finals
Subway for 5 dollar subs
Rach for packing me a Snickers bar

Slops:
Pen crooks



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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2008, 03:27:45 pm »

My mini-report:

I play 9Spheres, 3 Juggs and 3 Smokestacks 0 Ancestral Recals 0 Timewalks.  My teammates stretch my proxy limits to the max.
My sideboard has no leylines because my teammates sold/traded the 2nd set of leylines (now we only have 4 foil ones, but none for me...).  To be quite honest, I was gonna run straight up Carp's Gilded Claw from open forum, but the leylines (and even Tormod's Crypt) forced me back to stax.

Basically, I settle for this:



// Lands
    2  Mishra's Factory (4)
    3  Wasteland
    1  Strip Mine
    1  Tolarian Academy
    1  Bazaar of Baghdad
    4  City of Brass
    4  Mishra's Workshop

// Creatures
    1  Sundering Titan
    1  Platinum Angel
    2  Triskelion
    1  Karn, Silver Golem
    4  Goblin Welder
    3  Juggernaut

// Spells
    3  Smokestack
    4  Sphere of Resistance
    1  Trinisphere
    4  Thorn of Amethyst
    3  Crucible of Worlds
    1  Balance
    1  Memory Jar
    1  Tinker
    4  Chalice of the Void
    1  Mox Pearl
    1  Black Lotus
    1  Mox Sapphire
    1  Mox Jet
    1  Mox Ruby
    1  Mox Emerald
    1  Sol Ring
    1  Mana Vault
    1  Mana Crypt
    1  Demonic Tutor

// Sideboard
SB: 1  Triskelion
SB: 3  Ancient Grudge
SB: 3  Jester's Cap
SB: 3  Damping Matrix
SB: 3  Red Elemental Blast
SB: 2  Seal of Cleansing

Round 1: I face Michael Klemic piloting Klemic.dec. (UBg with Bob, trinket mage, etc).
I comment on how any time I see a bloodstained mire, bad things happen.  Namely, basic swamps and lots of duresses.

Game 1: Klemic mulls to 6 or 5, I mull to 6, we trade wastelands and he recovers (Vamp for Island to get Bob online!) quicker and I die. I note he's playing badlands and Mogg Fanatics maindeck.. Probably Red instead of green for painter tricks.

Game 2: I toss bigg ass dudes onto the field, and 2 Spheres to slow him down.

Game 3: He kills something with Flametongue Kavu and gets a Viashino Heretic online. Shit. I lose. I could have done something about it if my mana came to me (shops, tolarian, lotus, anything!), but Heretic is a beating.  I didn't think hard enough while sidebording, as I am still out of practice, by I had Damping Matrix to deal with exactly Heretic.  To bad I didn't side them in.

Round 2: Jeff something with Control Slaver.
Game 1: I get a sphere of resistance out w/Juggernaut turn 1.  He plays island, Mox. I beat for 5. He plays Sol Ring, land. I beat for 5. He plays Tinker Sad for Pentavus. He stabilizes. I beat and get chumped. He gets welder on line. Then a time walk, etc. I lose.
Game 2: I have Chalice for 0 and a stead supply of wastelands for his mana base.  Eventually I get Welder online and Crucible recursion. Then somewhere in there, I leave a tiny opening for my opponent (say, to get Memory Jar online). My mana base is light, and have to use my Welder to make something happen (this is probably were my chalice for 0 left play).  He plays a bunch of artifact mana, time walks, with 1 card in hand, topdecks BLACK LOTUS to play his YAWGWILL and plays more stuff and time walks until I die. Sad Good game tho!

I start 0-2 for my first trip back to Eudemonia (I missed 4 or 5 of these now), but I continue to play cuz I need practice.

Round 3: Renaldo with Homebrew Painter (with Shops, fetchlands, Personal Tutor and other rogue techy stuff).
Game 1: He mulligans to 4 and I shut him down.  He fought the good fight (and was 1 mana away from comboing out on last turn of play)
Game 2: I play a bunch of lock peices (If I recall, chalice for 0, then Smokestack then Crucible), and he
spends the rest of the game discarding. Factory beats ensue.
Game 3: I play stuff that gets forced, then Tinker resolves for Sundering Titan. With Welder active, his mana base dissapears.

Round 4: Junior:
Game 1: He wins die roll and kills me with 10 spells. Dark Rituals, Imperial Seal and Night's Whisper make everything possible.
Game 2: I play lock peices, he plays Energy Flux. I play Welder (Yes!) and do tricks to keep my stuff in play.  Junior decides to cast Time Twister into YawgWill into TimeTwister and fails to kill me. Energy Flux eats all his mana base. Smile
Game 3: I keep a hand of Welder x2, Shop, Chalice, Mox, Factory, Sphere Waste. He plays 2 Leyline of the Void. I play Sphere (resolves) then Chalice for 0. He plays Land. I waste his land and play another sphere or thorn and my factories take him down.''

Round 5: Marco w/Long.dec.
I'll edit this match in when I have more time. Smile
3-2 overall. :/
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2008, 04:25:02 pm »


I've always been in favor of starting off any decklist with four Force of Wills and four Brainstorms.  On rare occasions I've played shops or Grim Tutors, even making top 8s, but it never felt right.  However, after my first tournament with the new restrictions, I have come to the conclusion that the new king of Vintage is Duress.  Without Brainstorm protection, it's so good.

The next logical step from there is that it's better to have a good card on top of your deck than a good card in your hand.  And so, after Web's victory with Grim Long at the last Eudemonia event, I too decided to join the dark side and play Grim Long.  I waffled between Becker's and Menendian's list, eventually choosing the latter.  Partly for the variety, and partly because I'm just not a fan of Street Wraith.  As usual, I took a perfectly good list and janked it up by adding some random crap.  I also added in a small anti-fish component to the sideboard, since Fish is pretty popular in these parts.


Round 1 vs Eric (Bomberman)

Eric and I usually carpool together, so this is an unfortunate round 1 pairing.

On game 1, I lose the die roll and mulligan to 6.  I turn 1 him anyways.

On game 2, I again mulligan.  We play draw-go for several turns.  At one point I cast Duress, and he casts Orim's Chant in response, then shows a hand of Orim's Chant, Mana Drain, Force of Will, Auriok Salvagers.  Also, he has a Lotus in play and Spellbomb in the yard.  Bad times.  Eric asks, "Onto game 3?" and I shrug and take one of his counterspells.  With the win in hand, Eric makes extra-sure by casting a main phase Chant on his turn.  I respond with... Extirpate!  Without a spellbomb, Eric "just" has infinite mana and I'm still in it.  He also drew a Trinket Mage, getting Tormod's Crypt, so my yard is gone every turn.

On my turn, I play a Timetwister, which Eric counters.  He attacks for 6 and passes it back.  Now I can resolve Yawgmoth's Bargain.  I draw nine cards, putting me to 1 life, but I don't get enough mana to win.  I cast Tendrils for four and draw three more cards, including Black Lotus and Chain of Vapor.  I bounce all my artifacts and his Tormod's Crypt, which takes my Tendrils away.  My Time Walk is also gone, so the best I can do is make twenty-four Empty the Warrens tokens and pass the turn.  Eric shows me the Echoing Truth and Engineered Explosives... from his sideboard.

1-0


Round 2 vs LSV (Grim Long)

I don't remember much about game one, except that I lost the die roll and somehow still won.

On game two, I double mulligan.  Some Duresses fly around and I'm at least I haven't lost, even if I'm not winning.  Luis plays a Vampiric Tutor and then cycles Street Wraith, his last card, to draw the tutored card.  In response I cast Extirpate on his Duresses for the shuffle effect, losing my Lotus Petal in the process.  Luis gets a random card from the cycling and ships the turn.  This was perhaps the most masterful play of the day.  I figured that if he had drawn something gassy like a draw-7, he would have played it right away and won.  If it had been a close call, he probably would have had to think a little.  Thinking a little could also indicate a bluff, but in fact he just passed the turn right away.  So I concluded that his one card must be a blank or a minor spell like a Mox, and didn't cast Duress on my turn.  It turns out he drew Grim Tutor, and when he drew Ritual on his next turn it was all over.

Facing down a player of superior skill, I did the only thing I could and killed him on turn 1 in game three.  It started with a turn 1 Time Walk off Lotus Petal.  Luis commented that it wasn't as good as the turn 1 Time Walk off a Mox that he had last game.  But in fact the Lotus Petal was better, because I played Yawgmoth's Will on my extra turn.

2-0


Round 3 vs Phil (Fish)

I loaned Phil a bunch of cards for his deck.  His hateful, hateful, anti-combo deck. Sad

In game one I had to go for an early Memory Jar with BR floating and some artifact mana available.  The only spells I could cast off the Jar were Duress and Pyroblast.  Fail.

In game two I mulliganed down to four cards: Mox Jet, Cabal Ritual, Necro, Mana Crypt.  I passed the first turn without playing anything.  Then I ripped an Island and landed the Necro.  I'm back in it, baby!  My first hit of nine cards or so kind of sucked, and there was now a Null Rod to contend with.  I cast Duress and had to take his counterspell, leaving Echoing Truth.  Which sucked because I was holding Empty the Warrens.  I think I got a Timetwister off, and I'm one black mana off from the win.  Though it turns out that even if I had the mana, he twistered into Stifle with Force backup.

2-1


Round 4 vs Cory (5C Bazaar aggro)

I keep a hand of Ritual, Ritual, Land, Lotus, Duress, Thoughtseize, Vamp Tutor.  I'm not sure what he's playing, so after a lot of consideration, I lead off with a seemingly safe Ritual, Duress, Thoughseize, Vamp for Timetwister.  However, it turns out that his hand is irrelevant.  What is relevant is the Duress he peels off the top, taking the Lotus that I greedily kept in my hand.  So I have to draw the Twister and pass, and then I draw a draw another Dark Ritual.  He Duresses me again and takes a Ritual instead of the twister!  That gives me four or five more turns to draw any blue source and be ok, but I do not.  He got very lucky, but it was my own misplay that cost it.

Game 2 I kill him on turn 1.  This deck is not fair.

In game 3, I thought I was all clever, having my one Tendrils in my opening hand so that he can't Hide/Seek it.  Unfortunately he has double Duress plus Leyline.  However, he chose not to take the Tendrils or my Yawgmoth's Will.  I had Thoughtseized away his Goyf, so he doesn't really have any pressure.  Eventually I draw Chain of Vapor and win.  Cory said afterward that he figured I had more than one Tendrils, so there was no point in taking it.  I did have Empty the Warrens, so I wouldn't have been cold to the lost Tendrils, but it probably would have hurt.

3-1


Round 5 vs Web (Grim Long)

ID, 3-1-1


Top 8 vs Phil (Fish)

Aha, a rematch!  This time I don't mulligan and victory is mine.  The only play I remember is in game two.  He has an Isamaru and Savannah Lions out, and I cast Massacre for free.  He Forces.  That means I'm free to resolve Yawg Will and Massacre again.  I can't quite go off that turn, but I draw a bunch of cards and set up to Tinker out Colossus.


Top 4 vs Web

I cannot, offhand, recall a situation where Web has not made the finals of a power tournament.  This is going to be a tough one.

I won the die roll, and then mulliganed to 4 (seeing no on-color mana in my first three hands).  I kept Sea, Duress, Thoughtseize, Mana Crypt.  I Duressed his only mana source (a Mox), and he had no plays on his turn.  Then I Thoughseize and for some reason took Ritual over Timetwister.  Somehow I thought he wouldn't have enough mana for a good Twister, but that was absurd because I obviously had no pressure on with my crappy hand.  So that was a colossus punt.  I was must have been on tilt from the mulligans.

In game 2 I mulliganed once and had a very quick kill.

Game three I kept a sketchy hand (three lands), but we just ripped up each others hands in the early game.  We get to the point where he has lots of mana and a Mana Crypt in hand.  I have three land in play, and a hand of land, land, Dark ritual, Dark Ritual, and Grim Tutor.  My yard has only a Time Walk, Duresses, and land.  He's at 16.  I can rit-rit-grim-yawg will, replay land, rit-rit-grim, but that leaves me two mana short of killing him.  I can also rit-rit-grim-necro.  That's probably the best play, but I was worried about going too low on life, since even a small tendrils could kill me or stop me from replaying grim tutor.  My hand would have been completely spent, so I'd have to Necro for a bunch.  Instead I play rit-grim for Ancestral and play it.  I draw Academy and two artifact sources, so I just play a land and pass the turn.

Top-deck mode.  Web peels a Brainstorm; how broken.  He puts two cards back and then casts Tendrils for four life.  Hmm, well, that's either really good for me, or really bad.  I can make a ton of mana, so I'm basically drawing to any kind of gas.  I savagely rip the gassiest gas of them all, Yawgmoth's Will.  I tip over my hand and Web just runs the stare-down, attempting to make me lose using only the power of his mind.  It almost works, but I manage to make the fairly elementary plays required for victory.

And yes, Web apparently did have the kill next turn, with a Timetwister on top of his library.


Finals vs LSV

I know Luis must be thirsting for revenge from round 2, but he offers the split.  The mirror is very coin-flip-oriented anyways.


So yeah, this deck is the nuts.  I mulliganed twelve times in six played rounds, and it was ok.  I was definitely very lucky, but the deck really does have the sickest rips in the format.  It sure seems to be dominating here.  Grim is harder to play than Flash, but is it better for the format?  I don't know.
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2008, 07:29:17 pm »

Very Brief Mini -Report (3rd/4th)
I am starting to get familiar with the vintage metagame and I learned in my last experiment (GaT) I am not nearly competent enough to play combo in this format. An interesting fact is that in my last 3 vintage tournaments my losses have all come from Web, LSV and Brett Allen. So I pretty much decided to metagame against yawgmoth's will.

To that end I ended up playing U/R standstill, with an updated list from COry and MArco was awesome enuff to lend me the cards so I could get there.

Rnd 1: Grim Long with $1000 yawg will.
His windfall fizzles and i am left with a 4 land hand (he had duressed and thougthseized post windfall. 2 of those land were wasteland. He upkeeps a vamp for will and i ice his only other black source.
game 2: CHalice for 1 + 2 Forces  = win.

Rnd 2: Suicide Black
Game 1 he massively floods.
Game 2 He keeps a hand with turn one hippy and no other land. I chain it. He rituals it out again. I echoing truth it. ANd that is what we call tempo.

Rnd 3: Web
DOnt remember much except I am pretty sure i had game 3 locked up but couldnt kill him fast enough to stop the draw.

Rnd 4: Control Slaver
He mulls to 5. I force his welder then double wasteland him
He has a pretty nutty draw. I have null rod and standstill.

Rnd 5: Draw with Fish

Top 8: Same deck from round 1.
Game 1 He mulls and cant must much. His windfall gives me a force.
Game 2 He keeps a double mox no land hand. I have null rod.

Top 4: LSV with Grim Long
GAme 1 he turn 1 necros
Game 2 he turn ones LED and Lotus But I had turn 1 null rod. His turn one also had necro.

Funny story from Game 1. I am wondering whether I can echoing truth necro to prevent the draw or at least do it on my turn. However I dont want to ask the njudge since that will give away my plans. Turns out thats not how it works. Go me.

I liked the deck a lot but wojuld have killed for thoughtseize all day.
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2008, 11:47:43 pm »

Funny story from Game 1. I am wondering whether I can echoing truth necro to prevent the draw or at least do it on my turn. However I dont want to ask the njudge since that will give away my plans. Turns out thats not how it works. Go me.

You are allowed to ask a judge a question in private.  Just tell him you want to do that, and you can step away from the table for a second and get your answer.  You don't have to ever reveal to your opponent what it was you talked about.
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2008, 03:19:28 am »

I know that. but I was pretty sure that if I even ask to talk to the judge in private, he would of known what was in my hand. Since he had seen my list and knows my competence level.
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2008, 07:53:56 pm »

Hiryu,
I looked on the eudemonia web page, and your list there looks short three cards (lands, I think).  What were the three lands?
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2008, 03:06:20 am »

Lists copy/pasted from www.Eudemonia.net/p9

Luis Scott-Vargas - 502.30 - 1st
Main Deck
3 Grim Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Imperial Seal
1 Vampiric Tutor
3 Street Wraith
4 Duress
2 Chain of Vapor
1 Rebuild
2 Night's Whisper
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Memory Jar
1 Mind's Desire
1 Necropotence
1 Ponder
1 Time Walk
1 Timetwister
1 Tinker
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 Yawgmoth's Will
2 Tendrils of Agony
4 Dark Ritual
1 Cabal Ritual
1 Black Lotus
1 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring
1 Tolarian Academy
2 Bloodstained Mire
4 Polluted Delta
1 Badlands
1 Swamp
3 Underground Sea
Sideboard
1 Massacre
1 Darksteel Colossus
1 Yixlid Jailer
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Pithing Needle
1 Thoughtseize
1 Pact of Negation
2 Extirpate
3 Hurkyl's Recall
3 Island
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Brett Allen - Grim Long - 2nd
Main Deck
1 Black Lotus
1 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Memory Jar
1 Mox Ruby
1 mox Pearl
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring
1 Rebuild
1 Simian Spirit Guide
1 Necropotence
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
2 Cabal Ritual
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Dark Ritual
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
3 Dress
1 Empty the Warrens
2 Grim Tutor
1 Imperial Seal
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mind's Desire
1 Ponder
1 Tendrils of Agony
3 Thoughtseize
1 Time Walk
1 Tinetwister
1 Tinker
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Windfall
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Pyroblast
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Swamp
1 Badlands

3 Underground Sea
4 Polluted Delta
Sideboard
2 Extirpate
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Hurkyl's Recall
3 Island
1 Rebuild
1 Massacre
1 Pyroclasm
1 Darksteel Colossus
1 Pyroblast
1 Fire/Ice

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David Ochoa - 502.30 - 3rd-4th
Main Deck
3 Grim Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Imperial Seal
1 Vampiric Tutor
3 Street Wraith
4 Duress
2 Chain of Vapor
1 Rebuild
2 Night's Whisper
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Memory Jar
1 Mind's Desire
1 Necropotence
1 Ponder
1 Time Walk
1 Timetwister
1 Tinker
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 Yawgmoth's Will
2 Tendrils of Agony
4 Dark Ritual
1 Cabal Ritual
1 Black Lotus
1 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring
1 Tolarian Academy
2 Bloodstained Mire
4 Polluted Delta
1 Badlands
1 Swamp
3 Underground Sea
Sideboard
1 Massacre
1 Darksteel Colossus
1 Yixlid Jailer
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Pithing Needle
1 Thoughtseize
1 Pact of Negation
2 Extirpate
3 Hurkyl's Recall
3 Island

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Lucas Siow - Landstill - 3rd/4th
Main Deck
3 Faerie Conclave
2 Island
1 Library of Alexandria
4 Mishra's Factory
3 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
1 Strip Mine
4 Volcanic Island
4 Wasteland
4 Standstill
4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain
1 Ancestral Recall
3 Null Rod
1 Black Lotus
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Fire/Ice
2 Misdirection
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
4 Stifle
2 Echoing Truth
1 Time Walk
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Pyroblast
Sideboard
1 Crucible of Worlds
3 Chalice of the Void
1 Pyroblast
1 Rack and Ruin
2 Red Elemental Blast
3 Threads of Disloyalty
2 Ingot Chewer
2 Pyroclasm 
 

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Christiaan Royer - unnamed - 5th-8th
Main Deck
4 Thirst for Knowledge
4 Trinket Mage
4 Force of Will
4 Painter's Servant
3 Red Elemental Blast
3 Goblin Welder
2 Pyroblast
2 Triskelion
1 Brainstorm
1 Tinker
1 Platinum Angel
1 Sensei's Diving Top
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Mana Drain
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Grindstone
4 Volcanic Island
3 Polluted Delta
2 Bloodstained Mire
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Great Furnace
1 Seat of the Synod
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal
1 Island
1 Mountain
Sideboard
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Viashino Heretic
2 Tormod's Crypt
1 Goblin Welder
2 Lava Dart
1 Duplicant
1 Pithing Needle
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Philip Yam - Fish - 5th-8th
Main Deck
3 Icatian Javelineers
2 Savannah Lions
2 Isamaru, hound of Konda
4 Meddling Mage
3 Ninja of the Deep Hours
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Tundra
2 Island
1 Plains
4 Flooded Strand
1 Polluted Delta
3 Wasteland
1 Strip mine
4 Stand Still
2 Swords to Plowshares
4 Null Rod
2 Echoing Truth
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
4 Force of Will
3 Daze
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl
2 Stifle
Sideboard
4 Energy Flux
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Spell Snap
2 Disenchant
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Stan Gin - Manaless Ichorid - 5th-8th
Main Deck
1 City of Brass
3 Petrified Fields
4 Bazar of Baghdad
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Serum Powder
4 Leyline of the Void
4 Bridge from Below
4 Unmask
4 Dread Return
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Bogardan Hellkite
1 Duplicant
2 Flame-kin Zealot
4 Narcomoeba
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Ichorid
4 Golgari Thug
Sideboard
3 City of Brass
4 Gemstone Mine
4 Chain of Vapor
4 Emerald Dream
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2008, 11:18:16 pm »

I believe Lucas got 3rd/4th.
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2008, 12:53:38 pm »

Hiryu,
I looked on the eudemonia web page, and your list there looks short three cards (lands, I think).  What were the three lands?

I think the three missing cards are Bloodstained Mire, Swamp, and Badlands.  Sometimes Wasteland gets popular around here (and Stifle), so I switched a fetch to a Swamp relative to Menendian's list.
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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2008, 05:10:12 pm »

In case you didnt see the top 8 deck list:

http://www.eudemonia.net/forums/ultimatebb.php/topic/33/88.html
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