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« Reply #90 on: October 09, 2008, 11:02:25 am » |
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Yeah, but if you don't have two Stars, it'd be more like you dropping two Moxes and a Star, leading your opponent to gleefully Force of Will this guy for a quick 3-for-1.
It would be a two for one if you count the blue card pitched to Force. If there was no Star or self-replacing artifact involved, it would be a 3-for-1. |
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« Reply #91 on: October 09, 2008, 12:51:10 pm » |
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Yeah, but if you don't have two Stars, it'd be more like you dropping two Moxes and a Star, leading your opponent to gleefully Force of Will this guy for a quick 3-for-1.
It would be a two for one if you count the blue card pitched to Force. If there was no Star or self-replacing artifact involved, it would be a 3-for-1. True, I started to say Mana Drain but wanted to make the example more general and failed to change the numbers. This doesn't change the fact, though, that this creature gives you an unnecessary weakness to permission-based strategies except in best-case scenarios. There is plenty of good beef for shop decks without such vulnerability. |
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« Reply #92 on: October 10, 2008, 05:44:29 pm » |
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This doesn't change the fact, though, that this creature gives you an unnecessary weakness to permission-based strategies except in best-case scenarios. There is plenty of good beef for shop decks without such vulnerability.
I agree. I think that, if at all, it'd have to be played in a suicidal artifact deck, like Affinity, with Skullclamp, possibly Chromatic Star or Myr Retriever, and sheer speed to offset it's disadvantage, which is dubious at best. |
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« Reply #95 on: November 07, 2008, 10:22:50 am » |
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I just wish that they would have had the foresight to actually produce them in foreign languages. These are a really good way to introduce new players and I really feel that overseas markets are where it is going to happen at this point. Plus that fact or fiction is going to stand out like a sore thumb in my all Italian deck but that art is so much better.
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« Reply #96 on: December 01, 2008, 10:19:54 am » |
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« Reply #97 on: December 22, 2008, 01:13:18 am » |
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Conflux rumors are trickling in.
The ever dependable mtgsalvation.com has nine cards spoiled so far. About half are reprints and since the complete card list was unveiled mad early, we sort of knew those already.
So far the only 'new' keyword being spoiled is basic land cycling. Par example...
Fiery Fall 5R
Instant
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Basic land cycling 1R
Personally I like "card type" cycling, but it's nothing new and this card is ass outside Limited, so yeah meh on THIS card. But I like (non-green) mana fixing for budget players, and basic land cycling does that.
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« Reply #98 on: December 25, 2008, 08:55:26 pm » |
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Path to Exile W
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Um, wow. It's a shame that decks run some Islands. But, as a Fish player, I think I'll let them take an Island instead of 11 life. I'm just gonna swing for the win the next turn - something I couldn't do if they got that life boost.
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« Reply #99 on: December 25, 2008, 11:18:07 pm » |
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What? A second white card might get played in legacy?!
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« Reply #100 on: December 26, 2008, 01:00:50 am » |
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You know I wanted to put this card up there with - or at least very near to - StP when I saw it. I've been thinking about it though and I'm having trouble justifying it. It seems like there will be times where you just don't want to give your opponent a land - like, when control deck is mana screwed and you don't want to let them Wrath but they're hanging onto a Kitchen Finks or two...
In a format with way less basics this might be just as good or better than StP, but in a format like Standard I think I'll believe its applicability when I see it. Theoretically this card is Uncommon so I'm sure I'll get a set on principle, but I'm not entirely sold on its awesomeness.
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« Reply #101 on: December 26, 2008, 11:19:23 am » |
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White weenie with low land can fetch for one or get a creature out of the way and deal the last bit of final damage (instead of giving life)? The card is flexible, which is something I look for.
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« Reply #102 on: December 26, 2008, 12:20:06 pm » |
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Or Armageddon...
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« Reply #103 on: December 26, 2008, 02:26:27 pm » |
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Path to Exile W
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Remove target creature from the game. It's controller may search his or her library for a basic land card and put it into play tapped. Shuffle that library afterwards.
Hmm, 11 life, or a basic land. Hmm Also, this card can be used on your own creatures at your opponent's end of turn to fetch a land, which is more often better than Swords'ing your own creature to gain two life. Amazing! What does it for me is this card's synergy with Aven Mindcensor and Ankh of Mishra! I'm going to splash white into my Ankh Sligh list after this baby comes out! And now I can play eight Swords to Plowshares in my WW lists! Vintage, here I come!!! |
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« Reply #104 on: December 26, 2008, 10:27:40 pm » |
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Yeah, this card doesn't seem like it has much synergy with the 'geddon/Cataclysm strategies. It might look good *before* the Geddon/Clysm, removing a threat and making it harder to draw land after the bomb, but casting it after is just helping your opponent reset.
I'm actually more excited about the 'Bant Bird' than this card - purportedly a 0/1 Druid for G with Exalted and taps for G, W or U. Birds gets played in the Bant deck, but this guy makes all your early plays even better - this deck really could use just a couple more playable Exalted guys and I think this is the man for the jorb, if he's spoiled correctly. I don't like that the deck now wants to play both W and G in the first two turns but eh... Brushlands are cheap right? :/
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« Reply #105 on: December 31, 2008, 12:36:57 pm » |
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Esperzoa, 2U
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This is confirmed as a preview from Game Japan. Looks like a solid Fish or Workshop Aggro beater.
Edit: Added P/T, oops
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« Reply #106 on: December 31, 2008, 12:58:04 pm » |
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Esperzoa, 2U
Artifact Creature - Jellyfish Uncommon
Flying
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This is confirmed as a preview from Game Japan. Looks like a solid Fish or Workshop Aggro beater.
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« Reply #107 on: December 31, 2008, 01:02:28 pm » |
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If it doesn't have at least 4 power I don't see it being good at all.
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« Reply #108 on: December 31, 2008, 01:05:08 pm » |
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Esperzoa, 2U
Artifact Creature - Jellyfish Uncommon
Flying
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This is confirmed as a preview from Game Japan. Looks like a solid Fish or Workshop Aggro beater.
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« Reply #109 on: December 31, 2008, 03:11:48 pm » |
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It's like Sea Drake on crack!
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« Reply #110 on: December 31, 2008, 05:06:16 pm » |
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I would rather have Sea Drake probably 90% of the time =/ Remember that if this is your only artifact, it has to return itself every turn.
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« Reply #111 on: December 31, 2008, 05:20:08 pm » |
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That's true, but so many vintage decks run artifacts. Surely replaying a card with a casting cost of 0 isn't hard and there may likely be artifacts can you may wish to replay. If someone was wanting to have another version of Sea Drake (I don't know why) then now they can have 8 4/3 flyers in their deck for 3 mana. Anyway I doubt decks that run new card will have a hard time.
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« Reply #112 on: December 31, 2008, 07:39:56 pm » |
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That's true, but so many vintage decks run artifacts. Surely replaying a card with a casting cost of 0 isn't hard and there may likely be artifacts can you may wish to replay. If someone was wanting to have another version of Sea Drake (I don't know why) then now they can have 8 4/3 flyers in their deck for 3 mana. Anyway I doubt decks that run new card will have a hard time.
Serendib Efreet? And its really awful against Chalice as well. |
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« Reply #113 on: December 31, 2008, 08:16:42 pm » |
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That's true, but so many vintage decks run artifacts. Surely replaying a card with a casting cost of 0 isn't hard and there may likely be artifacts can you may wish to replay. If someone was wanting to have another version of Sea Drake (I don't know why) then now they can have 8 4/3 flyers in their deck for 3 mana. Anyway I doubt decks that run new card will have a hard time.
Serendib Efreet? And its really awful against Chalice as well. Umm... I was more thinking of it in a deck WITH Chalice. You cast it early for 0, and then keep having the option to resolve it for 0 or for more, while also playing any artifacts that YOU draw. Neat. But it doesn't fit in any current decks, because 'Dib doesn't either. Maybe some hideous Drake + This Shop/Fish amalgam. Someone'll try it. But outside of an anonymous MWS account, it won't be me. |
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« Reply #114 on: January 01, 2009, 12:12:48 am » |
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Legacy anyone?
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« Reply #115 on: January 01, 2009, 12:14:36 am » |
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Legacy anyone?
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« Reply #116 on: January 01, 2009, 02:06:51 am » |
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JESUS CHRIST JUST PLAY BONESPLITTER
IT'S A COMBO WITH BONESPLITTER
POWERTHIRST IS BONESPLITTER
Err I mean... I dunno, a blue artifact that pitches to Force and beats for 4? There's got to be some artifact with either next-to-nothing CC (Moxen) or some neat CIP effect - in Standard the big talk is this guy + Elsewhere Flask -_-
He kinda looks too good to not try in Legacy, at the least. A format like Legacy can appreciate the ramifications of 8 Sea Drakes, I think.
Oh and the White Memory Lapse is confirmed - it costs 2W and it's called Lapse of Certainty. Dunno if this affects Eternal formats in the slightest, but this is now the hardest counter mono-White has. w00t!
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« Reply #117 on: January 01, 2009, 03:33:20 am » |
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JESUS CHRIST JUST PLAY BONESPLITTER
IT'S A COMBO WITH BONESPLITTER
POWERTHIRST IS BONESPLITTER
Err I mean... I dunno, a blue artifact that pitches to Force and beats for 4? There's got to be some artifact with either next-to-nothing CC (Moxen) or some neat CIP effect - in Standard the big talk is this guy + Elsewhere Flask -_-
He kinda looks too good to not try in Legacy, at the least. A format like Legacy can appreciate the ramifications of 8 Sea Drakes, I think.
Oh and the White Memory Lapse is confirmed - it costs 2W and it's called Lapse of Certainty. Dunno if this affects Eternal formats in the slightest, but this is now the hardest counter mono-White has. w00t!
Ugh what artifacts are you gonna run in Legacy? Lotus Petal? Jitte? SoFI? Artifact Lands are pretty awful. Maybe Chrome Mox? I guess you could just plan to recast Chalice at 1 every turn for the rest of the game, but I don't really see the insanity of this card. |
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« Reply #118 on: January 01, 2009, 04:13:32 am » |
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I dunno, Cursed Scroll? Voltaic Key? Pithing Needle? Sphere of Resistance? Helm of Awakening? Myr Enforcer (and seven other artifacts)?? Fuck man lolz I dunno, I'm not a deckbuilder  Although the SoR thing seems randomly bad enough to work, making stuff only cost more during their turn. Hmmm. |
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« Reply #119 on: January 01, 2009, 04:27:01 am » |
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Trinisphere.
I'm serious. A control deck with this guy + Sea Drake + Trinisphere, plus an engine of some sort seems pretty okay. Bounce your own trinisphere, play a bunch of cheap spells with this, goyf, and sea drake, and then replay trinisphere.
You also have things chalice and pithing needles, etc.
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