Sui-Black: Good Metagame Choice?

[Stormanimagus]

Hey guys. Apparently I accidentally posted this in the development forums first, but I think it's a serious contender and has been proposed by Stephen on Starcity already. I realize I'm pooping out a lot of deck discussions here, but it doesn't seem that they exist less than 5-10 pages back.

My question is this: I'm trying to decide on a good TMD Open metagame deck and I think I've narrowed it to a couple:

1. Sui-Black
2. Ad Nauseam Storm Combo
3. TPS
4. Oath (sb Progenitus)

I'd rather not play TPS because it is a tough deck to pilot for that many rounds and right now I think it'll be the prey to a lot of hate + splash damage. Null Rod can be pretty problematic for it and almost every good hate deck runs Null Rod now. Chalice is also a bit of a problem and many of the hate decks run that too.

Oath would be good, but I find it a bit boring to play and possessing too many dead cards. I still may sleeve it up and test it, however,

Ad Nauseam is my FUN pick. It is super powerful and has the added advantage of being able to win via Tendrils without any help from Yawg Will on a pretty consistent basis. It also has a great silver bullet 4-of in Chain of Vapor. I'm seriously considering this deck.

However, I've been looking at some tournament results of late and it seems to me like Tezz decks and TPS decks are truly dominating T8's right now and those are the decks I want to be able to beat comfortably.

I think Sui-Black may be the deck for this. Here's my list. It's very similar to Menendian's budget list except that it is a)not budget and b)slightly different SB.


Sui-Black

Land (18):
13 Swamp
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine

Artifacts (10):
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
4 Null Rod
4 Chalice Of The Void

Creatures (7):
4 Dark Confidant
3 Phyrexian Negator

Enchantments (5):
4 Bitterblossom
1 Necropotence

Instants (9):
4 Dark Ritual
3 Diabolic Edict
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Consultation

Sorceries (11):
4 Duress
4 Thoughtseize
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Tendrils Of Agony

SB
4 Smother (Spinning Darkness ?)
4 Gate To Phyrexia
4 Leyline Of The Void
3 Extirpate

Based on this list I'd like to know if you guys think this is a good metagame choice and could, with the help of a good SB have a shot of also beating Stax decks and Fish decks featuring Tarmogoyf.

Be Honest. Thanks!

[zeus-online]

Can you really storm all that much with tendrils? Seems rather useless and clunky to be honest..

Cabal therapy looks decent in the deck, with bitterblossom you can easily flashback them to rip the opponents hands apart.

I don't like vampiric in this deck, i'm not at all sure what you would find, and if it would be worth the -1 CA.
The most obvious target would be necropotence.

I also fail to see why this would be all that good against oath.

/Zeus

[Stormanimagus]

Can you really storm all that much with tendrils? Seems rather useless and clunky to be honest..

Cabal therapy looks decent in the deck, with bitterblossom you can easily flashback them to rip the opponents hands apart.

I don't like vampiric in this deck, i'm not at all sure what you would find, and if it would be worth the -1 CA.
The most obvious target would be necropotence.

I also fail to see why this would be all that good against oath.

/Zeus

I don't think I ever mentioned that it would be good against Oath. That's actually one of my worst matchups. I just changed the deck to run -1 Tendrils and +1 Diabolic Edict bringing the count to 3 Diabolic Edict. It's still nice to run 1 Tendrils as you can tutor it up in a pinch and it's still an uber-powerful alternate win condition with Yawgmoth's Will + Rituals.

What I'd like to know is how I can beat this new Progenitus Oath monster. This seems like a pretty horrible matchup as my only answer is really Duress effects and Diabolic Edict and they can easily Chalice for 1 on turn 1 to stop my duress effects. Thoughts? Does that basically require splashing green?

Here's a green splash list that might work, but I really don't like diluting the manabase to be honest:

Suicide Lhurgoyf

Land (17):
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Bayou
4 Swamp
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine

Artfiacts (12):
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Lotus Petal
4 Null Rod
4 Chalice Of The Void

Creatures (8):
4 Dark Confidant
4 Tarmogoyf

Instants (8):
4 Dark Ritual
2 Diabolic Edict
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Vampiric Tutor

Sorceries (11):
4 Duress
4 Thoughtseize
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Tendrils Of Agony

Enchantments (4):
1 Necropotence
3 Bitterblossom

SB
2 Seal Of Primordium
4 Krosan Grip
3 Extirpate
3 Tormod's Crypt
3 Smother

[saspook]

A powerless Bg suicide deck took home the Mox Jet at Grand Prix LA.
I believe it was running Negators and Hypnotic Specters.

[Stormanimagus]

A powerless Bg suicide deck took home the Mox Jet at Grand Prix LA.
I believe it was running Negators and Hypnotic Specters.

I'd be curious to see that list ASAP as I don't really understand where the Green comes from if the deck isn't running Goyf. You don't want to take away from the consistency of the deck by diluting the manabase, and, in theory, shouldn't Ensnaring Bridge do the job out of the SB against Oath? Perhaps coupled with Jester's Cap? I just don't see where Green becomes necessary unless you want a better beater in Goyf. Negator can be more blazing fast and Specter can be sick too with CA. I prefer Bitterblossom over Specter because I think it locks things down for you more, but that's just me.

[SimonCopp]

I think running both Null Rod and CoTV is too much so i'd suggest cutting CoTV. When smennen suggested both i'm pretty sure it was a for a deck with no p9.  That being said, i think the green splash for Goyf is great as Goyf is di better than Negator. I would say that you probably want to go down to 2 or 3 basics for more sac lands (unless you have a meta with heavy BUG and the like which can Stifle).

Life From The Loam could be ridiculous for infi strips and could make Wild Mongrel a quicker threat than Bitterblossom.

I'd probably have the BG list with

-2 Swamp
-1 Bloodstained Mire
-4 CoTV
-1 Tendrils
-1 Bitterblossom

+3 Polluted Delta
+4 Wild Mongrel
+2 Life From the Loam

[saspook]

A powerless Bg suicide deck took home the Mox Jet at Grand Prix LA.
I believe it was running Negators and Hypnotic Specters.

I'd be curious to see that list ASAP as I don't really understand where the Green comes from if the deck isn't running Goyf. You don't want to take away from the consistency of the deck by diluting the manabase, and, in theory, shouldn't Ensnaring Bridge do the job out of the SB against Oath? Perhaps coupled with Jester's Cap? I just don't see where Green becomes necessary unless you want a better beater in Goyf. Negator can be more blazing fast and Specter can be sick too with CA. I prefer Bitterblossom over Specter because I think it locks things down for you more, but that's just me.

Green was there for Seals and Goyfs.  I don't think it had confidants or blossoms.

[Demonic Attorney]

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