Vintage White Weenie

[Cyberpunker]

Here's My 2 cents about WW right now.

4 Jotun Grunt (Good Choice, White's Tarmogoyf)
3 Kataki(Another good Choice)
3 Canonist(Very Nice)
4 True Believer(Not so sure about this one)
3 Aven Mindcensor(Good Choice)

4 Null Rod(Good)
4 Swords to Plowshares(or Path... you cannot have them gain life too often)
3 Tariff (A bit iffy on 3 Maindeck, because they will be dead a lot of the times. Seems like S/B material)
3 Aura of Silence (Nice)
1 Balance (I don't agree with Balance. Playing Balance would almost always mean you sacrificing creatures)
1 Enlightened Tutor (I don't agree with this because as an aggro deck, the last thing you need is card disadvantage.)

4 Windswept Heath
4 Wasteland
1 Stripmine
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Pearl
12 Plains

SB
2 Pithing Needle
4 Samurai of the Pale Curtain (You want MD creatures because you are aggro)
4 Tormod's Crypt (Mix it up with 2 Crypt and 2 Relic, they have Pithing Needles and Chalices of their own)
1 Sacred Ground
1 Serenity (Great)
3 Seal of Cleansing (good)

True Believer would be my first pick to be cut. The reason is the same as why Platinum Angel doesn't work that well against Tendrils.dec. By the time they have their Engine going (Ad Nauseum/Will/whatever) they would be able to bounce it.

I would recommend -4 True Believer
+ 1 Cannonist
+ 1 Mindcensor
+ 1 Kataki
+ 1 Samurai of the Pale Curtain

Tariff Maindeck would be dead a lot of the times. They have 1 Tinker that they will not always be able to resolve. True if they resolve it you are dead. But I still believe it is a S/B card due to the fact that you are drawing into dead cards if they do not have it in play, or worse, if they do not run Tinker at all.

-3 Tariff
-1 Balance

+3 Samurai of the Pale Curtain
+1 Aura of Silence

I'm a Bit iffy on the Silver Bullet fetcher. I don't like it but I can see the reasoning behind it. So I guess I would still include that in there but if testing shows it to be dead or mostly dead, I would immediatley cut it for

+1 Samurai of the Pale Curtain



So in our Metamagics Discussion here is the final decklist:

4 Samurai of the Pale Curtain
4 Jotun Grunt
4 Kataki
4 Ethersworn Canonist
4 Aven Mindscensor
4 Children of Korilis (you need your 1 drops) 

4 Swords to Plowshares(Painters and Welders die to this. As well as Fish. )
4 Aether Vial
4 Aura of Silence (Stax/KeyVault/Painters/Oath)
1 Enlightened Tutor/Path to Exile
1 Path to Exile (What threat are Tarmogoyf and Welder when they are in Exile?)

5 Strips
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Pearl
5 Fetch
10 Plains

S/B
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Tormod's Crypt
4 Tariff (you need this as much as possible vs Inkwell/DSC/Sundering/Oath)
2 Path to Exile (Fish and Welders and even Ichorids!)
2 Seal of Cleansing (Oath and Threads of Disloyalty)
4 Null Rods (KeyVault/Painters/Artifact Mana)

Basically this plays like Fish except instead of counters to disrupt the opponent, it uses Enchantments and Artifacts. And its creatures all contribute something towards that disruption. Even Jotun Grunt. I don't like Suppression Field because I think it is only a speed pump. When they get 2 extra mana, they will combo off or kill you anyway. So I think you should focus on racing for the win. Against Oath too, the Tariffs are just speed bumps for the Oath. You just gotta keep on attacking for the win. Thats what all aggro should do. Mono-White has a chance if you play it well and do not get horrible draws too often. 

Why do I include Aether Vial? (Aether Vial Children of Korilis in response to Tendrils/Aether Vial Samurai of the Pale Curtain in response to Bazaar)

[Kaiser von Hugal]

Kooaznboi - I appreciate your analysis.  Thanks!

Do you think Samurai and Jotun both MD are counter productive?  I like Children MD.  I agree about the Enlightened Tutor.  I MD'd Balance to counter hordes of Zombies following a Korlis fog.  I like having a random reset button but understand your point as well.

Also - I know its splashing another color but Im willing to splash Green for Teeg and Pridemage - both are still technically white creatures and it allows for Ray of Revelation in the SB.  If I kept the Vials and splashed green Id have to include Archers.

This is my revised list Im testing currently.

4 Null Rod - I think this is the stronger play in the current New England Meta game.
2 Seal of Cleansing
1 Seal of Primordium
4 Qasali Pridemage
4 Gaddock Teeg
4 Aven Mindcensor
2 Ethersworn Canonist
4 Children of Korlis
3 Jotun Grunt
2 Kataki, War's Wage
3 Tariff - MD because Oath and Tinker give this deck fits

4 Wasteland
1 Strip
4 Savannah
4 Windswpet Heath
3 Elvish Spirit Guides
1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Emerald
4 Plains
3 Forest

SB
1 Kataki - Stax, Combo
1 Jotun Grunt - Ichorid
2 Serenity - Staxs and Inkwell
1 Ray of Revelation - Oath
4 Swords to Plowshares - Welder, Bob, Goyf
3 Pithing Needle - Ichorid
1 Relic of Progenitus - Ichorid
2 Tormod's Crypt - Ichorid

[Cyberpunker]

You have a good point about Samurai and Jotun Grunt. I would still include them MD though because of the utility both provide in tight situations. Against anything with Bazaar, you would want all 4 Samurais. And against Control, you would love to have atleast 2 Grunts show up the entire game. So I guess what I would do is just avoid casting the 2 creatures together. If I have Grunt out, I won't cast Samurai that quickly. If I have Samurai out, Grunt is not going to get played. IMHO I think that with 24 creatures, I won't be in situations where I only have Samurai and Grunt.

Pridemage and Teeg are awesome. If you want to go G/W Weenie that is. I think vs Ichorid you still need Samurai though. Because Grunt is way too slow. Also what do you think about Krosan Grip MD over the Seal of Primodorium. You can nab Explosives, Oath, Time Vault, and stop their Welders from playing tricks.

[Kaiser von Hugal]

How does Samurai help the Ichorid match up?  Is he better than Grunt?

[Cyberpunker]

I think it would neuter the Ichorids and the Narcos. Kind of like a Planar Void. It makes it impossible for them to get any Tokens and they will only be able to activate their Ichorids once. Which you should be able to either take the damage or chump block with another Non-Samurai 2/2. Samurai will require 2 Darkblasts to take out, a major speed bump. Then maybe you drop another Samurai or a Relic...Or maybe a Grunt to remove whatever cards they have in their grave.

EDIT: Samurai also screws up Welder, Crucible, Barbarian Ring

[Kaiser von Hugal]

I like your list but Id have to go with Null Rod and Id want to include Suppression Field as well.

4x Null Rod - simply not confident running Vials in this place
4x Suppression Field - Bazaar, Fetch Lands
4x Swords to Plowshares
4x Aura of Silence
4x Children of Korlis
4x Aven Mindcensor
4x True Believer
4x Samurai of the Pale Curtain
3x Kataki, War's Wage
3x Jotun Grunt

13x Plains
5x Strips
1x Mox Pearl
1x Lotus Petal
1x Chrome Mox
1x Black Lotus

SB
2x Tormod's Crypr - Ichorid
2x Relic of Progenitus - Ichorid
4x Thorn of Amethyst - comes in against Combo and Ichorid
4x Tariff (Abu Ja'far If I was running Vial) - comes down quickly against Trolls and hits against Inkwell
3x Serenity - Can kill inkwell