Coming back into magic!

[oneofchaos]

So it's been a good year since I've really played magic.  My store now does type 1 with power nine being banned and it is zero proxies.  So seeing as how I only have a sapphire, I am down with that.  The store isn't very competitive so I'd like to poll and see if there is a slightly tier 2 deck that would be fun to play (I have drains, fetches, duals etc).  I am also up to revive any dead archtypes.
-Dave

[honestabe]

Vroman's Oath (Vroath) is pretty hot, and I can imagine would be decent without power

[oneofchaos]

Vroman's Oath (Vroath) is pretty hot, and I can imagine would be decent without power

I also don't have the time vault for that deck.  I was hoping not to piss people off, and making it so they can't play spells seem a tad dick. 

I don't have any expensive stuff at all aside loa/4 drain.

[theLastGnu]

Isn't the nutterbutter advantage of Vroman's list over traditional aggro ones that it wins in 2 activations because of will? Seems like moxen are pivotal to this strategy.

[honestabe]

Hmm.  You could play aggro Oath without power.  I had a moderate amount of success playing it Monday nights over the summer, and in a non-power enviornment, Oath just seems like a good idea.  Something like
Combo:
4 Oath
2 Hellkite Overlord
1 Magister Sphinx
1 Tinker (aviods chalice @ 2 and Meddling Mage, but the target could be Sphinx of the Steel Wind, if you're afraid of hate)

Mana:
4 Forbidden Orchard
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Island
1 Forest
2 Polluted Delta
3 Underground Sea
3 Tropical Island
3 Chrome Mox (could be waste/Strip effects if you have them)
2 Mishra's Factory

Everything Else
4 Thoughtsieze
4 Impulse
4 Force o will
3 Negate/Spell Pierce (could be drain if you're in a Pridemage/Trygon Predator heavy enviornment)
1 Ponder
1 Lat Nams Legacy
1 Lim Duls Vault
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampirirc Tutor
1 Brainstorm
2 Crop Rotation (Combos with Mishras Factory to blck the unexpecting Meddling Mage/Pridemage)
1 Echoing Truth
1 Wipe Away
2 Pithing Needle
1 Merchant Scroll

[shroomy2dope]

you should try worldgorger dragon combo without bazaar.  carefull study and entomb still allow for a steady second turn win especially if the meta is mainly aggro. dark ritual is a good solution to no moxes in the meta. by running powerless you lose 4 cards out of the build and bazaars still would be an option if you cared to purchase them.

[vassago]

Non powered type 1? Might as well be legacy at that point.  Suicie black with dark depths and sacraments might be good.  43 land would probably walk the fuck over people. For the lolz you could spring tide people.  Oath would probaly be really good as well. I doubt painter's servant would be worth trying. I suggest Battle of Wits personally 

[median]

you have a few options,
you could do an angel oath type thing. i'd recommend actually running 1 psychatog and 1-2 defy gravity or traitor's clutch over the angels.
or you could make a fun painter deck.
with mana crypt, vault, sol ring and petal; you can be fairly fast. if you run a few more artifacts you can support tfk and tinker, and you have access to gush. in painter four pitchable cards for free is just nuts. i would run intuition + reconstruction since you have drains.
watch out for elves, goblins, mono black and ichorid in the meta your proposing.
despite what people are saying this isn't legacy.
also take a look at meadberts hermit vault deck. it's extremely fast and doesn't need any expensive stuff. i play it as a casual deck when i want to annoy my friends.

[Eastman]

Do something with Hermit Druid combo

4 Hermit Druid
4 Narcomoeba
3 Cabal Therapy
1 Sutured Ghoul
1 Dragon Breath
1 Dread Return

And put anything you want around that shell . 

[median]

Do something with Hermit Druid combo

4 Hermit Druid
4 Narcomoeba
3 Cabal Therapy
1 Sutured Ghoul
1 Dragon Breath
1 Dread Return

And put anything you want around that shell .  

don't forget sylvan safekeeper. he stops darkblast fire // ice and all that target junk, and you can find him with the worldly tutors you have lying around for hermit

[oneofchaos]

I was thinking of playing something dumb like a bad version of belcher or something.  Or combo affinity.  Something funny.  Hermit druid is going to get owned by all the creature hate!

[shroomy2dope]

Maybe squirell nest and earthcraft  with a full slate of e.tutor. or draco explosion with wordly and sylvan tutors. or a platinum angel with necro and final fortune. these would all be funny but i still recomend wgd.

[oneofchaos]

Won today with elf combo.  It steamrolled everything, so I now need a more fun deck.  Maybe fastbond-crucible combo?

[Smmenen]

So it's been a good year since I've really played magic. 
-Dave

Liar!   I saw you at the Waterbury in March! 

[clayparson]

Turboland 2K9!

If all else fails, whenever I feel like playing something ludicrous that definitely can't be considered good, I start looking for my Dream Halls...

[oneofchaos]

So it's been a good year since I've really played magic. 
-Dave

Liar!   I saw you at the Waterbury in March! 

No, that wasn't me.  That was Oneofchas! 

Yea I guess I forgot about me playing in that Waterbury.  Ok, aside that I have not played in a year...I think.

[vroman]

Vroman's Oath (Vroath) is pretty hot, and I can imagine would be decent without power

No, definitely not. For starters, Timetwister and Black Lotus are both critical to the combo. The primary tactical line of play involves tutoring for Recall. Time Walk recursion is a major asset. Dropping a 2c spell turn 1 is the deck's strongest play, thus necessitating full moxen.
I could not possibly recommend my version of Oath with anything less than absolutely full power 9.

[swawagon]

The primary tactical line of play involves tutoring for Recall.

Per this quote from Vroman about playing Vroman Oath and how Gifts/Slaver used to be played - and somewhat how Tez plays, why isn't there more Misdirection in Vintage?

Misdirection is probably less useful in this forum topics powerless meta. Perhaps Sinkhole and Hymn to Torach would be good in this forum topics powerless meta?

[Gekoratel]

I think Misdirection has been substantially worse since the printing of Spell Pierce when your Oath opponent plays Recall with Pierce backup the game is a complete and utter blowout.  Almost every relevant blue deck is running either Pierce or Duress to protect its Recall.  So you need to have the MisD have them choose a line of play that involves Recall and not have Duress/Pierce/Force.  This is coming from someone who was playing MisD in Tezz longer than most.

[oneofchaos]

What fun controlish decks exist that won't brutally destroy a newb infested metagame?

Fun combos?

[Gandalf_The_White_1]

What fun controlish decks exist that won't brutally destroy a newb infested metagame?

Fun combos?

You could play Hedron Crab control/combo deck with Fastbond and Cow. For assembling the combo both Enlightenend Tutor and Wordly tutor.

[oneofchaos]

Well my best attempt at being creative so far (it's awfuuuul)


// Lands
    4 [JGC] Gemstone Mine
    4  City of Brass
    4  Forbidden Orchard
    3  Undiscovered Paradise

// Creatures
    4  Hermit Druid
    1  Darksteel Colossus
    1 [ARB] Lord of Extinction
    1  Sutured Ghoul
    4  Street Wraith
    4  Narcomoeba

// Spells
    1 [V09] Mystical Tutor
    4  Accumulated Knowledge
    2  Intuition
    2  Sensei's Divining Top
    1  Mana Crypt
    1 [V09] Lotus Petal
    1  Mox Sapphire
    1  Demonic Tutor
    4  Cabal Therapy
    1  Ponder
    1  Brainstorm
    4  Force of Will
    1  Dragon Breath
    1  Tinker
    1  Dread Return
    4  Careful Study

[median]

i would change the careful studies to sleight of hand, and put one sylvan safe keeper in to be tutored up to protect the hermit from darkblast type stuff. you can play around with your win condition, i use karmic guide, kiki-jiki, mirror breaker; pesermite. it gives you infinite tokens so you don't need dsc. so you can use tinker-> sphinx
you could also run a fetch mana base to make ponder/brainstorm better, that would also allow for gush. you only need around 16 lands and there's 4 different blue fetches now, + duals.
one last thing, make room for a bridge from below. it lets you therapy three times, then dread return by sacrificing the tokens. this significantly reduces you mulligans. with bridge, 4 narcs and 3 combo chaff you mulligan less than 1% of the time due to not being able to cabal therapy the stuff in your hand into your graveyard.


hope that helps