[Card Discussion] Terastodon

[Sloth]

New crad from worlwake spoiled here: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=214710

Terastodon 6GG
Creature - Elephant (R)
When Terastodon enters the battlefield, destroy up to three non-creature permanents.
For each permanent destroyed this way, it's controller puts a 3/3 green Elephant token onto the battlefield.
9/9

This might be a possible creature for Oath decks. Great disruption and body, but lacks evasion.

Better than Iona against Workshop decks!

Edit: Fixed the wording. (it is up to three)

[AmbivalentDuck]

Woodripper doesn't give your opponent Elephants.

[meadbert]

Decent Dread Return target since you are unlikely to lose to Elephant beats.

[Valorale]

Yea possible replacement for Angel of Despair especially in legacy builds of Dredge where youre more likely to run into things like Moat, Tabernacle, Maze of Ith, Propaganda etc.

I dont see much application for this in Oath, if I am not running Iona, I am running dragons.

[TheShop]

This appears to have Type 4 written all over it instead of vintage.

[sorcutt]

This card made me drool for EDH with Rofellos.  Seriously, it's soooo freaking good in that deck.  Nuke half your field on turn 3-4 - gg.

[The Atog Lord]

Woodripper doesn't give your opponent Elephants.

You're playing Oath. Sometimes, you want the opponent to have Elephants.

[Grand Inquisitor]

Probably not after you've already Oathed though.

[Killane]

are we still talking about this terrible card? It's an EIGHT mana creature with neither protection, evasion, or massive card advantage. This is not Vintage playable. Best case, you take out three of their permanents, then they block with the elephants and you got a three-for-one. Iona is similarly costed and is about a twenty for one with evasion. A good three for one? Ancestral. Costs U. The people rest.

[FlyFlySideOfFry]

This also isn't faster than any other clock currently available. You would more likely be able to go all the way with Goyf before this guy wins even assuming you blow up your own permanents for 18 power. Also not faster nor more secure than 2xHellkites in Oath.

[Jo84]

Terastodon can´t replace Angel of Dispair in dredge, as it doesn´t get rid of neither platinum angel nor blazing archon.

[AmbivalentDuck]

The only conceivable vintage use for this card is in an Oath sb vs Stax.  Obvious comparisons are to Tidespout Tyrant, Woodripper, and Uktabi Kong (who is completely printable).  Tidespout pitches to FoW and Woodripper doesn't give them permanents (but costs colorless mana).

Once you're Oathing, you've effectively already won, though.  Arguably, Oath is more interested in Pernicious Deed, Spell Pierce, and instant-speed removal like Oxidize to clear the way for tutoring up and playing Oath.

[Killane]

The only conceivable vintage use for this card is in an Oath sb vs Stax.  Obvious comparisons are to Tidespout Tyrant, Woodripper, and Uktabi Kong (who is completely printable).  Tidespout pitches to FoW and Woodripper doesn't give them permanents (but costs colorless mana).

Once you're Oathing, you've effectively already won, though.  Arguably, Oath is more interested in Pernicious Deed, Spell Pierce, and instant-speed removal like Oxidize to clear the way for tutoring up and playing Oath.

Indeed. Oath vs Stax, if you're Oathing, you shoudl be winning. This card does nothing for you once you've Oath'd - they can just block with the elephant tokens and kill your big guy, or race you with them. 2 Hellkites + Karrthus should seal the deal vs Stax. This is strictly inferior.

I agree, you want stuff to clear the way before oathing. Ancient Grudge seems like it fills the role this guys does in that matchup, without having a terrible 9/9 nothing dude and giving your opponent 3 chumpers.

[Sloth]

I think you are underestimating this guy.

The important thing is, that you have lots of options when Terastodon hits th battlefield:

- You can destroy your opponents mana base, which gives him some 3/3 dudes (who make sure you can oath again next turn).
- Or, you can go all out and put 18 points of power on the battlefield to win next turn.
- Or most importantly, you can do something in between and get rid of all non-creature threats they posses like Tezzeret, Time Vault or Tanglewire.

Not including the choice of targets of each player, Terastodon has 10 different options to spread his destruction between you and the opponent!

I'm sure skilled players can always find a way to get a board advantage big enough to seal the deal after Terastodon hits.

[AmbivalentDuck]

Here's another issue: this guy doesn't have trample.

How will you kill your opponent in a sane amount of time when Orchard dudes and the 3 elephants you gave your opponent chump block him?

[Killane]

Here's another issue: this guy doesn't have trample.

How will you kill your opponent in a sane amount of time when Orchard dudes and the 3 elephants you gave your opponent chump block him?

QFT. Run Ancient Grudge, which you can flashback from the grave, if you are worried about killing their artifact stuff.

You're playing Oath, so your dudes should be better than their dudes. You don't need to worry about destroying their dudes, unless they have a Marit Lage token, in which case this can't kill it anyways.

This guy is just terrible. I ran Oath for almost a year straight rescently and trust me, this guy is not wanted in Oath. I would run Angel of Despair before I ran this, and Angel of Despair is so substandard as an Oath target, I don't even know where to begin.

I'm calling it now- unplayable in all constructed formats.