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« on: March 26, 2010, 02:49:13 am »

Spoiled on Mana Nation and seen on http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=230593

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Search your library for four land cards with different names and reveal them. An opponent chooses two of those cards. Put the chosen cards into your graveyard and the rest in your hand. Then shuffle your library.

Gifts for lands. Color me flabbergasted.
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2010, 03:38:14 am »



5c stax could certainly use this.

LOL at the pic...

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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2010, 04:13:32 am »

Not sure if it's real. If it is...Well somebody should do something nasty with it. the Lands deck in legacy might find a use for it.
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2010, 04:19:52 am »

Lol at the picture. horrible!
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2010, 04:40:19 am »

In 5cStax, i found this less usefull than Intuition, because it's not synergic with both crucible and Welder.
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2010, 04:47:35 am »

Might I direct you to this page:

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=38333.msg534076#msg534076
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2010, 06:32:35 am »

I loled.   Hope it's real, something about it's just funny
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2010, 07:08:30 am »

That is going to be so insane.  I'd play Petrefied Field as a one-of now in certain decks.  Could this be useful in Oath?
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2010, 07:28:25 am »

This card is flat-out amazing.  I don't know where its home will be, but I am looking forward to finding out.

Is that the real artwork?  Very cute.
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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2010, 08:01:51 am »

The art looks awful.  Loam/Lands decks in Legacy should love the card, seems a lot better than Gamble.
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2010, 08:42:47 am »

Is it just me or does this seem big for every format BUT Vintage? Maybe won't be sick in Standard, but it's still a way to thin and make your next 2 drops...
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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2010, 09:11:43 am »

Seems potentially broken with Omnath, Locus of Mana.
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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2010, 09:24:49 am »

Seems potentially broken with Omnath, Locus of Mana.
Broken? No. Powerful? Doubt it? Synergistic? Ok, sure.
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« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2010, 09:30:40 am »

Seems potentially broken with Omnath, Locus of Mana.
Broken? No. Powerful? Doubt it? Synergistic? Ok, sure.
Broken was the wrong word for sure!
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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2010, 10:44:14 am »

It's not stated explicitly in the thread but the Art is an Homage to Gifts Ungiven.

Course could be part of a supercycle - the Red and White parts could be really interesting.
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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2010, 11:00:56 am »

That is going to be so insane.  I'd play Petrefied Field as a one-of now in certain decks.  Could this be useful in Oath?

I cant see this being any more useful then crop rotation
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« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2010, 11:46:41 am »

That is going to be so insane.  I'd play Petrefied Field as a one-of now in certain decks.  Could this be useful in Oath?

I cant see this being any more useful then crop rotation

Crop rotation is Terrible if countered. This with a Petrified Field could be nutty- very nutty.
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« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2010, 11:55:01 am »

That is going to be so insane.  I'd play Petrefied Field as a one-of now in certain decks.  Could this be useful in Oath?

I cant see this being any more useful then crop rotation

Crop rotation is Terrible if countered. This with a Petrified Field could be nutty- very nutty.

This card is offcolor, costs three mana, gets you nothing special other than Tolarian Academy (it doesn't even get you that, technically -- as they can just drop the field and academy into your GY), and requires you to run bad cards to make it quasi-useful (i.e. Petrified Field.)  The only thing cool it does is thin your deck and give you +1 card advantage.

Fish with Crucible for Strip recursion could probably make the best use out of this, and they'd have to run Crucible first.

Danger of cool things.  This card gets a 2 out of 10.
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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2010, 12:28:41 pm »

That is going to be so insane.  I'd play Petrefied Field as a one-of now in certain decks.  Could this be useful in Oath?

I cant see this being any more useful then crop rotation

Crop rotation is Terrible if countered. This with a Petrified Field could be nutty- very nutty.

This card is offcolor, costs three mana, gets you nothing special other than Tolarian Academy (it doesn't even get you that, technically -- as they can just drop the field and academy into your GY), and requires you to run bad cards to make it quasi-useful (i.e. Petrified Field.)  The only thing cool it does is thin your deck and give you +1 card advantage.

Fish with Crucible for Strip recursion could probably make the best use out of this, and they'd have to run Crucible first.

Danger of cool things.  This card gets a 2 out of 10.

It's going to require a new way of thinking to use.  But we all know how powerful it is to pull 4 cards our of your deck and into more accessable zones.  We may be looking at a Crucible/Loam/Manabond/Fastbond deck in Vintage.  I don't know.  But it's clear that this is a powerful effect at instant speed.  BTW, is green really an off color anymore?  How many Fish decks don't run it?
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« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2010, 12:31:39 pm »


It's going to require a new way of thinking to use.  But we all know how powerful it is to pull 4 cards our of your deck and into more accessable zones.  We may be looking at a Crucible/Loam/Manabond/Fastbond deck in Vintage.  I don't know.  But it's clear that this is a powerful effect at instant speed.  BTW, is green really an off color anymore?  How many Fish decks don't run it?

That's true, there might be a new deck built around this card.  I didn't think of that.  I will concede that point to you.

Green is only an offcolor in every deck that isn't Fish and Oath (I don't see either running this, however).  Razz
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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2010, 12:38:00 pm »

It's instant speed card advantage at 3 mana that searches (yeah, for lands, but it still searches).  So off the bat, it's not "bad."  What it's good in is a different matter...

I could see some people dabbling with this as a replacement for Dark Confidant in many builds.  Don't forget also that it plays very well with Top by giving you more mana to look through your deck and a shuffle ability to put it back into your deck.  Remember even though it's not impacting what you play by putting business cards into your hand, it's impacting what you can play by increasing your mana base.  As such, I could see 4 cost cards being playable at a much higher density with this card.

Also lands such as Tolaria West that can tutor for Black Lotus and Tolarian Ruins that can recur artifacts.  Can be big as well.  

I could see a Remora-based deck liking this.  You get plenty of draw from Remora you just need mana to keep it up lands help out with that.

I'm sure there is some land-combo deck that is wanting a card like this.
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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2010, 12:41:02 pm »

Am I the only one who thinks the picture looks like she is flashing her ass and rubbing a dildo? Maybe I'm just perverted idk but I never have and still don't think that about Gifts...

In any case this card is really strong in all formats. Worst case scenario in Vintage it gets what, Waste+Strip+Academy+Bazaar/Fields/etc? It isn't good to just cram in current decks but just like Gifts Ungiven was first thought to be a bad Fact or Fiction once we find a way to abuse it (or if there isn't one at the moment once some more godly lands are printed) it'll be a front runner. This will be pretty much a garuntee to pick up a playset ASAP because it'll be run in a ton of decks across formats and it'll probably just keep going up in price by the time Vintage finds its own way to break it.

Solid card nice to see they're still printing non-creature bombs.
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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2010, 12:52:56 pm »

This is good with Crucible out, but is it good without Crucible?  Would Intuition just be better?

I have not come up with any way to abuse this yet.  Stax could grab Strip, Waste, Shop and Academy but I am not sure that is amazing.
Once Crucible is out this is good for sure since you can get Bazaar, Strip, Academy, Shop or something but without Crucible I am not sure.

This is also good with Crucible + Fastbond since it gets you the win, but the trick is getting Crucible + Fastbond.  Intuition can tutor for Crucibles or Fastbond (via Regrowth/Find) and also gets enough lands to win so I am not sure this is an improvement over Intuition.

Perhaps Intuitions in conjunction with this in a Drain Shell.  You could Intuition for Life from the Loam and then start land recursion.  The trouble is Intuitioning for Loam, Bazaar and Strip is already not type 1 viable and I am not sure what this would add to the Intuition that found Loam.

The trouble with Field is that it eats up 2 land drops which you do not want to do if you just tutored for 2 lands since you by definition already have 2 lands in hand.
With Exploration or Fastbond that is fine, but Exploration is not good in type 1 and Fastbond cannot consistently be put into play.
Thus far I have been unable to find a viable use for this in Type 1, but I will keep thinking.
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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2010, 12:58:03 pm »

Am I the only one who thinks the picture looks like she is flashing her ass and rubbing a dildo?
LMAO

I don't know if I can NOT see that now.


Sylvan Scrying gets a land in hand for 2 mana at sorcery speed.
So, which is better? Demonic Tutor, or Gifts Ungiven that only costs three?
How does that change when considering lands? And the fact that it's specifically green?

This needs some kind of recursion to be broken (its actually decent on its own in at least 2 other formats).
That leaves Crucible and Life from the Loam, which are both on color with this.
So assuming you have Crucible and/or Life from the Loam, what is the broken pile you get?
If there isn't a broken pile, then this card isn't that great.

Gifts was good because you could get a broken, BROKEN pile, and then win. It could even tutor for the recursion engine itself for God's sake!

So, what is the pile with Crucible/Life? Is there a pile that works without that?

I might try to figure this out later, but right now I don't have enough time to do out all the math.
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« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2010, 01:07:14 pm »


Thus far I have been unable to find a viable use for this in Type 1, but I will keep thinking.


If Meadbert can't figure this card out it must be bad in competitive vintage.

Looks sick in EDH duels. Please allow me to blow out my opponent with wasteland, strip mine, dust bowl, tectonic edge. Seems pretty easy to be casting this on turn 2 with a green deck and just pummeling there mana base for the next couple turns.
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« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2010, 01:26:43 pm »


Thus far I have been unable to find a viable use for this in Type 1, but I will keep thinking.


If Meadbert can't figure this card out it must be bad in competitive vintage.

I lol'd.  Very Happy

Meadbert:  Have you considered a deck that is based around intution / ak that also has this in it?  I know that's a ton of slots to fill up -- I made a "Gifts" deck that didn't run Gifts and ran Intution/AK back in it's hayday.  It killed a turn faster than Gifts on average and won the control mirror easily with the Intution/AK card advantage.

I'm thinking this card might not be terrible as a 2 or 3 of in that deck, but I'm already Intuitioning turn 3 at instant speed anyway + it doesn't pitch to Force or MisD.
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« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2010, 01:29:43 pm »

Countryside Crusher seems obvious to me, but how that translates to Vintage I dunno.
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« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2010, 04:05:47 pm »

This pic is awesomely hot. Sexiest card. Ever.

Dunno if it's playable, tho'. ><
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« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2010, 11:53:57 am »

I would play it in a shop deck with 4x Crucible of Worlds.

I would run:
City of Brass/Gemstone Mine
Mishra's Workshop
4x Wasteland
1x Strip Mine
2x Bazaar of Baghdad
1x Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1-2x Ancient Tomb
1x City of Traitors
1x Tolarian Academy
1-2x Petrified Field (maybe 2x, to increase your # of wastelands and to search for 4 lands then use a Field that was already in play or play it from hand)


Artifacts I would run:
Smokestack
Trinisphere
Tangle Wire
Lodestone Golem
Sphere of Resistance
Chalice of the Void
Uba Mask


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Root Maze/Realms Uncharted/Tarmogoyf/Sylvan Library/Regrowth

 {G}
Goblin Welder

Multicolored:
Firespout/Ancient Grudge/Ray of Revelation


Also, this card might help convert scapeshift from extended to legacy, and help scapeshift in extended too.
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« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2010, 12:07:36 am »

When you consider that green had Harrow before this in terms of 2G uber instant acceleration, you have to give props to Wizards for pushing the envelope. As far as Vintage is concerned, I just can't see it make that much of an impact... If you're gonna fetch Mishra or Bazaar, you'd be using Crop Rotation. Legacy, however, is going to have a field day with this, as 43Lands.dec just got a whole lot stronger.
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