Mind Bracer

[TheShop]

Mind Bracer

Artifact

4

Spells targeting players cost an additional 3 mana to play.



Every stax player everywhere just got a woody.  I do not think it would be too OP though because
1)  It doesnt stop them from playing spells
2)  Costs 4

Stops bounce, tendrils, duress, oath...but is removable.

[A_Outcast]

this did give me a woody.  amazing.  I fully support this card.

[jro]

Why is it okay to color shift Ivory Mask into an artifact?

[TheShop]

Land recursion seem like a green abiltiy, but we have crucible
Removal seems like a white or black thing, but we have keg, dduplicant
burn seems like a red thing, but we have trike

artifacts do seemingly colored things all the time...the cost metric was actually from true believer:
1 colored = 2 colorless, WW=4

[Delha]

Land recursion seem like a green abiltiy, but we have crucible
Removal seems like a white or black thing, but we have keg, dduplicant
burn seems like a red thing, but we have trike

artifacts do seemingly colored things all the time...the cost metric was actually from true believer:
1 colored = 2 colorless, WW=4

Ivory Mask is a closer analogue. That said, I think for this is perfectly fair, though likely unplayable.

Oh, and I'd call it Distortion Grid or Deflection Shield or something along those lines.

[TheShop]

Lol, let's make it legendary and leave the cost at 4!!!

[Killane]

no. Broken- cost should be 7 (imperial mask)- this better than true believer in many ways.

[TheShop]

no. Broken- cost should be 7 (imperial mask)- this better than true believer in many ways.

I agree that it is undercosted, but 7 is ridiculous.  At 7 you could drop a 4/4 flyer that says you cant lose the game...

[FlyFlySideOfFry]

no. Broken- cost should be 7 (imperial mask)- this better than true believer in many ways.

Imperial Mask protects your allies in team battles, this wouldn't. Ivory Mask is a significantly better analog. 5-6 mana is reasonable in my opinion. In other words at 5 mana it would be used but borderline unprintable and at 6 mana it would be printed quite easily but more or less useless. It would need a drawback of some kind to make it cost 4 or maybe even 5.

[Nazdakka]

For this effect, 5-6 mana is probably 'fair', while 4 is pretty strong but not outside the realms of probability. I know, it seems low given Ivory Mask is 2WW, but that card is pretty expensive for what it is. Would be nice if there was more going on with the card beyond 'colourless Ivory Mask' though.

How about this as a way of achieving the same thing while doing something a bit more exciting?

Sphere of Protection
2
Artifact
Spells that target you cost 2 more to play.

[TheShop]

How about the defense grid template:

sphere of protection
2

spells that target players cost an additional 3 mana to play.

Edit-updated to reflect this wording change. (name stayed the same since I named the thread Mind Bracer)

[Delha]

How about the defense grid template:

sphere of protection
2

spells that target players cost an additional 3 mana to play.

Feels too strong to me, I think it needs to cost or so. I could see a good argument for easily convincing me.

Bear in mind that Defense Grid can be sidestepped by playing Instants on your own turn. There is no dodging the effect of this card.

[TheShop]

It's still cool with me at 4... But note: rebuild costing 3 more and not being playable are pretty much the same thing.

[Delha]

It's still cool with me at 4... But note: rebuild costing 3 more and not being playable are pretty much the same thing.

You can't use Shops to pay for Rebuild though. Also, Rebuild at 3 is way better than Hurkyl's at 5.

Side note: Your latest version in the thread doesn't match the one at the top. May want to update again.

[TheShop]

I'm not sure Delha, but your last post makes it look like this acts like trinisphere or something.  My while point was that rebuild at 6 mana and hurkyl's at 5 mana may as well say 1,000,000 mana to cast.  The newest version seems to me like a functional duplicate of the original.

[Delha]

I'm not sure Delha, but your last post makes it look like this acts like trinisphere or something.  My while point was that rebuild at 6 mana and hurkyl's at 5 mana may as well say 1,000,000 mana to cast.  The newest version seems to me like a functional duplicate of the original.

Hurkyl's is untargeted, and thus has to pay the additional. Rebuild is untargted, and thus costs its normal value.

The difference is that your version in the first post says spells and abilities, and your version from four posts ago only says spells.

Also, note that neither affects Oath because it is a triggered ability, not activated. It also does not work on most bounce spells (CoV, Echoing Truth, Repeal, etc...), because they target the permanent, not the player.

Edit: Grammar

[TheShop]

Ah...i forgot rebuild doesn't target....retarded mistake.  My bad, I like it hitting abilities as well...thoughts

[Delha]

Ah...i forgot rebuild doesn't target....retarded mistake.  My bad, I like it hitting abilities as well...thoughts

Well, since it wouldn't hit triggered abilities, that might not be too bad. I can't offhand think of any activated abilities that target players. I'm sure they exist, but none are springing to mind just now.

[FlyFlySideOfFry]

Ah...i forgot rebuild doesn't target....retarded mistake.  My bad, I like it hitting abilities as well...thoughts

Well, since it wouldn't hit triggered abilities, that might not be too bad. I can't offhand think of any activated abilities that target players. I'm sure they exist, but none are springing to mind just now.

tap: deal X damage to target player

[Delha]

Ah...i forgot rebuild doesn't target....retarded mistake.  My bad, I like it hitting abilities as well...thoughts

Well, since it wouldn't hit triggered abilities, that might not be too bad. I can't offhand think of any activated abilities that target players. I'm sure they exist, but none are springing to mind just now.

tap: deal X damage to target player

I meant any that see Vintage play, sorry if that was unclear. I don't forsee people running Telim Tor's Darts anytime soon. That does remind me of Trike though, so I guess I can think of at least one relevant card affected by the "abilities" part of this.

[FlyFlySideOfFry]

Ah...i forgot rebuild doesn't target....retarded mistake.  My bad, I like it hitting abilities as well...thoughts

Well, since it wouldn't hit triggered abilities, that might not be too bad. I can't offhand think of any activated abilities that target players. I'm sure they exist, but none are springing to mind just now.

tap: deal X damage to target player

I meant any that see Vintage play, sorry if that was unclear. I don't forsee people running Telim Tor's Darts anytime soon. That does remind me of Trike though, so I guess I can think of at least one relevant card affected by the "abilities" part of this.

First of all I don't see why you're being agressive. Second of all this forum is about cards that could be printed, not niche cards for a format. Thus you have to consider all abilities. Third Trike is almost identical to what you were insulting 2 sentences earlier so if you're going to try and be snide at least don't be a hypocrite. Fourth you don't know what Vintage will bring to the future maybe something like Grim Lavamancer or a new card will become relevant again.

[TheShop]

Spells only for simplicity

[Delha]

First of all I don't see why you're being agressive. Second of all this forum is about cards that could be printed, not niche cards for a format. Thus you have to consider all abilities. Third Trike is almost identical to what you were insulting 2 sentences earlier so if you're going to try and be snide at least don't be a hypocrite. Fourth you don't know what Vintage will bring to the future maybe something like Grim Lavamancer or a new card will become relevant again.

1.That post wasn't intended to be aggressive, and I apologize if it came across that way. I really did mean it when I said I was sorry for not clarifying that I meant cards currently played within Vintage.

2. I certainly agree about needing to consider all formats. I've brought that up myself plenty of times in the past, and it was an oversight this time around.

3a. Regarding Trike vs a Tim effect, I thought you meant it literally. If you'd meant Trike, I figured you would have said it explicitly. The distinction I intended was exactly as I stated it: that Trike is played, and I can't think of any "Tap to dmg player" effects that are. It wasn't meant as a bash against you.

3b. As for hypocrisy, you've had some pretty aggressive posts yourself (I don't dispute for a moment that I do as well). I've got to say I'm amused by the irony in you calling me out for that in particular and labeling me a hypocrite to boot.

4. That's completely fair, but not necessarily a mutually exclusive point. I was just trying to say that adding "activated abilities with targets" to this card didn't appear to change the impact on today's Vintage by much. I wasn't thinking long term at the time (though maybe I should have been).

[FlyFlySideOfFry]

First of all I don't see why you're being agressive. Second of all this forum is about cards that could be printed, not niche cards for a format. Thus you have to consider all abilities. Third Trike is almost identical to what you were insulting 2 sentences earlier so if you're going to try and be snide at least don't be a hypocrite. Fourth you don't know what Vintage will bring to the future maybe something like Grim Lavamancer or a new card will become relevant again.

1.That post wasn't intended to be aggressive, and I apologize if it came across that way. I really did mean it when I said I was sorry for not clarifying that I meant cards currently played within Vintage.

2. I certainly agree about needing to consider all formats. I've brought that up myself plenty of times in the past, and it was an oversight this time around.

3a. Regarding Trike vs a Tim effect, I thought you meant it literally. If you'd meant Trike, I figured you would have said it explicitly. The distinction I intended was exactly as I stated it: that Trike is played, and I can't think of any "Tap to dmg player" effects that are. It wasn't meant as a bash against you.

3b. As for hypocrisy, you've had some pretty aggressive posts yourself (I don't dispute for a moment that I do as well). I've got to say I'm amused by the irony in you calling me out for that in particular and labeling me a hypocrite to boot.

4. That's completely fair, but not necessarily a mutually exclusive point. I was just trying to say that adding "activated abilities with targets" to this card didn't appear to change the impact on today's Vintage by much. I wasn't thinking long term at the time (though maybe I should have been).

Sorry about that if what you say is true then I sorely misinterpreted and I feel like a jackass.

[Delha]

Sorry about that if what you say is true then I sorely misinterpreted and I feel like a jackass.

Nah, don't be. I've got a dry sense of humor, so I know that my casual voice often comes across as snarky in text (less so in person). Once you pointed it out, I realized how easy it was to interpret as me just being a dick.

I'll just call this my bad and stop further derailing the thread.