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Gruul Anti-Mage RG Creature -- Human Berserker 2/2 R, Sacrifice Gruul Anti-Mage: Gruul Anti-Mage deals 2 damage to target creature or player. G, Sacrifice Gruul Anti-Mage: Destroy target artifact or enchantment. He breaks your face with ruin and rage.
Gruul Anti-Mage
 
Creature -- Human Berserker
2/2
 , Sacrifice Gruul Anti-Mage: Gruul Anti-Mage deals 2 damage to target creature or player.
, Sacrifice Gruul Anti-Mage: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
He breaks your face with ruin and rage.
I really feel RG deserves to have something like this; it's not overpowered and the abilities are relevant for both Red and Green.  |
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2010, 08:49:01 am » |
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So a buffed up qasali?...I think it's a little "too good"
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2010, 01:57:21 pm » |
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I don't know- it trades exalted for a sacrifice shock effect - it's very strong and an auto 4-of in zoo but it might be printable.
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2010, 02:50:36 pm » |
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It's a beater, burn spell and disenchant in one...That is extremely good. Honestly, qasali sees play, goblin legionaire saw play and this is the best of both worlds.
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2010, 03:30:48 pm » |
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I would price it at 1RG for it to be somewhat more reasonable. As it is that card is absolutely ridiculous.
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2010, 07:33:32 pm » |
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It's a beater, burn spell and disenchant in one...That is extremely good. Honestly, qasali sees play, goblin legionaire saw play and this is the best of both worlds.
yeah, i see what you mean..i guess it's ridiculous *sigh*..but i want to keep its cost of RG (2cc) as i believe there is no card which is "decent" with the same cost (maybe Scab-Clan Mauler but it's just a plain beater)...how about the ability like this: R, Sacrifice Gruul Antimage: Destroy target artifact. G, Sacrifice Gruul Antimage: Destroy target enchantment. |
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2010, 07:51:57 pm » |
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If pridemage is the metric, and this guy just disenchanting(and for a colored mana activation), he should have another ability. I was thinking a combat ability like bushido/flanking. Otherwise he is just a weak pridemage.
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2010, 04:21:29 am » |
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how about from originally two damage i change it to 1 ala Mogg Fanatic with an activation cost..i think that will do...
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2010, 11:50:18 am » |
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how about from originally two damage i change it to 1 ala Mogg Fanatic with an activation cost..i think that will do... The original version with 1 dmg instead of 2 sounds fine. Alternately, keep it at 2 dmg, but only hitting creatures? I'm not entirely convinced it was broken to begin with. I certainly agree that it's very strong, but would necessarily call it unprintable. |
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2010, 02:51:24 pm » |
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Lol, thought...what I he was
RG
creature
2/2
whenever he deals damage to a player destroy target artifact that player controls.
R/G, sac: shock target player.
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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2010, 09:26:56 am » |
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Lol, thought...what I he was
RG
creature
2/2
whenever he deals damage to a player destroy target artifact that player controls.
R/G, sac: shock target player.
actually one of my first version of him was somewhat like this but with no sac ability and has non-basic landwalk and 2/1 instead of 2/2...if something like this got printed, it would be a pain the butt for Shop players like you as of now, i'm sticking with the Lava Dart version of his R activation cost and i think adding Haste would be fine, right? Also, i would just like to share one of my first ideas for this guy... actually the metric of the card was not Pridemage but Hull Breach; Gruul Anti-Mage
RG
Haste
When ~ comes into play, destroy target artifact or enchantment
2/2 when Pridemage came out (which i predicted) i was so disappointed he came out GW instead of RG (or at least R/W G) so i also wanted the card to have a sac ability (anti-Oath, anti Vault-Key); this one i really thought would be nice but i think it's to wordy and too good: Gruul Anti-Mage
RG
Haste
When comes into play, reveal the top card of your library. If you reveal a non-land card, ~ deals 2 damage to target creature or player. Otherwise, ~ deals 2 damage to you.
R/G: Sacrifice ~ ,: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
2/2 i thought the randomness of dealing 2 damage would be fun and is a legit R ability but as you guys told me a Shock effect would be too much. |
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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2010, 07:00:43 pm » |
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The current version of this card is Rip-Clan Crasher with two good abilities tacked on. That's a little much. I don't see why he should have Haste, so that's what I'd lose. I'd think the R ability is better off as 2 damage since has has 2 power, plus the symmetry with stuff like Shock and Goblin Legionnaire doesn't hurt. R for Shock and G for Naturalize seems reasonable, and would make this a solid playable, but I'd hardly call it unfair. Which I guess is just a long-winded way of saying I think the original suggestion is the best version of this.
If I changed the costs on anything, it'd be on activating the abilities-- maybe 1C for them? Or just 1G for Naturalize?
Do you see this as part of a larger cycle, or was the Gruul name just cause it's RG?
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2010, 11:46:49 am » |
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Agreed that adding Haste is excessive. Upping the activation cost on the abilities is probably a good way to stay closer to the original as well. I'd much rather see it with for 2 dmg than for 1 dmg. The disenchant effect is fine IMHO. I see that half as being more like a Seal variant. You have a more stringent initial mana cost plus mana in the activation cost, in return for a body before you sac. |
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I suppose it's mostly the thought that this format is just one big Mistake; and not even a very sophisticated one at that.
Much like humanity itself. |
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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2010, 05:06:50 pm » |
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Do you see this as part of a larger cycle, or was the Gruul name just cause it's RG?
yes, i used the Gruul name because it's RG and yes eventually i did a color friendly cycle ala Ravnica guildmages Agreed that adding Haste is excessive. Upping the activation cost on the abilities is probably a good way to stay closer to the original as well. I'd much rather see it with for 2 dmg than for 1 dmg. The disenchant effect is fine IMHO. I see that half as being more like a Seal variant. You have a more stringent initial mana cost plus mana in the activation cost, in return for a body before you sac. Very much agreed. I think upping the cost for the burn part was what i'm looking for. I'll also get rid of the Haste part. Thanks for the suggestion |
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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2010, 12:08:19 am » |
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Very much agreed. I think upping the cost for the burn part was what i'm looking for. I'll also get rid of the Haste part. Thanks for the suggestion I support these changes. New version looks good to me. |
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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2010, 09:08:21 am » |
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New version seems balanced. Nice playable for zoo - won't break standard but would be good in several decks there - might be Vintage playable in the right deck - I like it!
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2010, 09:48:07 pm » |
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guys i'll be imposing the 24-hour thinggy as i read in the rules thread...feel free to comment on the current version but personally i'm satisfied with the card |
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