[TO Report] Philly Open 6 - Where's Waldo (and his 100 friends)???

[Iron_Chef]

This past weekend, I ran the Philly Open for the sixth time.  I had decided to run a Day 2, in the hopes that I could encourage players to make the trip a weekend, stay, and play in multiple tournaments.  I had gotten feedback in the past that "if you made it a full weekend, I would definitely make the trip".  So, starting a few months beforehand I booked the PA Convention Center for a 300 person room on Saturday and a 150 person room for Sunday, scheduling two events on each day.  This was the only available weekend for me; unfortunately it fell on Mother's Day (Sunday).  I had 90 players for Type 2 on Saturday, and 41 players for Vintage on Saturday.  I try to figure out the math on prizes so I break even (including the venue, staff, etc), with an eye towards optimism.  I had a total of 26 players between the two events on Sunday.  Because of the low turnout on Sunday, it will be a long time before I run another tournament with a Day 2.  As a TO, I lost about $4,000 running the events this weekend.  I was set up as a dealer there, but I don't think it comes close to me breaking even.  How do I proceed in the future? If anyone has any suggestions (other then avoiding holiday weekends ) that they feel would help, I'd appreciate your suggestions for the November Philly Open 7.

-Nick

Vintage Metagame:

41 Total decks

Oath - 9
Tezz - 7
Dredge - 6
Tendrils - 6 - (Drain Tendrils - 3, TPS - 3)
Workshops - 4 - (MUD - 3, Workshop Aggro - 1)
Noble Fish - 4
Other - 5 - (Remora, G/W Beats, Dark Times, Helm Combo, Salvagers)

Also, if you guys are curious on the Proxy Breakdown:

0 proxies - 13 players
1-5 proxies - 13 players
6-10 proxies - 15 players

The Top 8 results (by memory, so if there's a mistake please yell at me):

Nate (Drain Tendrils) def. Brad (Oath)
Dom (Drain Tendrils) def. David (TPS)
Chris (Tezz) def. Evan (MUD)
Jimmy (MUD) def. Ryan (Noble Fish)

Nate def Dom
Chris def Jimmy

Nate def Chris

Congratulations Nate, the winner of the Philly Open 6 Vintage tournament!

Top 8 Decklists

Nathan Thompson

Maindeck:

1 Snow-Covered Island
3 Island
1 Swamp
3 Underground Sea
1 Scalding Tarn
4 Polluted Delta
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Lotus Petal
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Voltaic Key
1 Time Vault
3 Mana Drain
3 Spell Pierce
4 Force of Will
1 Misdirection
2 Impulse
3 Dark Ritual
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Ponder
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Brainstorm
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Rebuild
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Yawgmoth’s will
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Necropotence
1 Yawgmoth’s Bargain

Sideboard:
2 Spell Snare
2 Hurkyl’s Recall
2 Massacre
2 Pithing Needle
3 Yixlid Jailer
2 Ravenous Trap
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Tinker

Ryan Glackin

Maindeck:

2 Kataki, War’s Wage
2 Swords to Plowshares
3 True Believer
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
3 Daze
4 Force of Will
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 Spell Pierce
1 Time Walk
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Tarmogoyf
3 Meddling Mage
4 Qasali Pridemage
3 Trygon Predator
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Sapphire
2 Flooded Strand
1 Forest
1 Island
3 Misty Rainforest
1 Plains
1 Savannah
1 Strip Mine
3 Tropical Island
2 Tundra
3 Wasteland

Sideboard:
2 Swords to Plowshares
3 Ravenous Trap
3 Nature’s Claim
3 Cold-Eyed Selkie
2 Pithing Needle
2 Tormod’s Crypt

Evan Hundertmark

Maindeck:
4 Mishra’s Workshop
1 Tolarian Academy
3 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
4 Mishra’s Factory
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
4 Sphere of Resistance
4 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Trinisphere
4 Lodestone Golem
4 Smokestack
4 Tangle Wire
2 Karn, Silver Golem
3 Triskelion
2 Razormane Masticore
3 Juggernaut
2 Duplicant

Sideboard
2 Culling Scales
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Tormod’s Crypt
2 Relic of Progenitus
3 Jester’s Cap
2 Duplicant

David Ata

Maindeck:
4 Force of Will
1 Rebuild
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Misdirection
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Ponder
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Time Walk
1 Mind’s Desire
1 Brainstorm
1 Timetwister
1 Tinker
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox ruby
1 Mox Jet
1 Lotus Petal
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Black Lotus
1 Memory Jar
1 Yawgmoth’s Will
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Imperial Seal
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth’s Bargain
1 Necropotence
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Grim Tutor
2 Cabal Ritual
4 Dark Ritual
4 Duress
2 Underground Sea
1 Bloodstained Mire
4 Polluted Delta
1 Tolarian Acadeny
1 Snow-Covered Swamp
1 Snow-Covered Island
1 Swamp
1 Island

Sideboard:
1 Chain of Vapor
2 Hurkyl’s Recall
1 Rebuild
1 Island
1 Slaughter Pact
2 Sadistic Sacrament
1 Yixlid Jailer
2 Bojuka Bog
4 Leyline of the Void

Dominic DiFebo

Maindeck:

4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain
3 Dark Ritual
3 Impulse
3 Underground Sea

3 Polluted Delta
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Spell Pierce
2 Island
2 Scalding Tarn
2 Volcanic Island
1 Swamp
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Necropotence
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Yawgmoth’s Bargain
1 Yawgmoth’s Will
1 Ponder
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Hurkyl’s Recall
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Misdirection
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Rebuild
1 Sol Ring
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Brainstorm
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Jet
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Time Walk
1 Lotus Petal

Sideboard:
3 Yixlid Jailer
2 Greater Gargadon
2 Red Elemental Blast
2 Ravenous Trap
2 Doom Blade
1 Hurkyl’s Recall
1 Massacre
1 Tinker
1 Inkwell Leviathan

Chris Pikula

Maindeck:
3 Underground Sea
3 Tropical Island
3 Island
2 Scalding Tarn
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Flooded Strand
1 Polluted Delta
1 Strip Mine
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
3 Dark Confidant
1 Sower of Temptation
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Tezzeret, the Seeker
1 Time Vault
1 Sensei’s Divining Top
1 Ponder
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Tinker
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Brainstorm
1 Merchant Scroll
2 Nature’s Claim
2 Repeal
1 Hurkyl’s Recall
1 Regrowth
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth’s Will
3 Spell Pierce
2 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will

Sideboard:
1 Tormod’s Crypt
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Ravenous Trap
1 Perish
2 Sower of Temptation
1 Wasteland
2 Seal of Primordium
1 Nature’s Claim
1 Mindbreak Trap

James Hangley

Maindeck:
1 Strip Mine
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mana Crypt
1 Trinisphere
1 Mana Vault
1 Sol Ring
4 Wasteland
4 Serum Powder
3 Crucible of Worlds
4 Smokestack
3 Powder Keg
4 Tangle Wire
4 Lodestone Golem
3 Karn, Silver Golem
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Sphere of Resistance
4 Mishra’s Workshop
3 Rishadan Port
2 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Chalice of the Void

Sideboard:
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Tormod’s Crypt
3 Pithing Needle
3 Maze of Ith
2 Duplicant

Brad Granberry

Maindeck:

4 Forbidden Orchard
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Underground Sea
1 Tropical Island
2 Island
1 Forest
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Tezzeret, the Seeker
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
4 Oath of Druids
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Terastodon
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
4 Spell Pierce
2 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
1 Nature’s Claim
1 Time Walk
1 Yawgmoth’s Will
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
1 Sensei’s Divining Top
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Tinker
1 Regrowth

Sideboard:
2 Thoughtseize
1 Mana Drain
1 Bribery
1 Show and Tell
1 Terastodon
2 Nature’s Claim
1 Strip Mine
2 Pithing Needle
4 Leyline of the Void

Standard Metagame:

Standard - 90 players

Top 8: Jund, U/W, 4 Mythic, Polymorph, Vampires)

Jund - 17
U/W - 13
Mythic - 11 (8 with Conscription)
U/R/W Planeswalkers - 9
Polymorph - 6
Red - 6 (3 with black splash)
Naya - 5
Vampires - 3
Open the Vaults - 1
Other - 19

Standard Top 8 Decklists:

Fredrick Chang

Main Deck:
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Lotus Cobra
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Dauntless Escort
4 Baneslayer Angel
4 Sovereigns of Lost Alara
1 Gideon Jura
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Eldrazi Conscription

1 Sejiri Steppe
2 Sunpetal Grove
2 Stirring Wildwood
3 Celestial Colonnade
1 Arid Mesa
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Plains
2 Island
5 Forest

Sideboard
1 Bant Charm
2 Oblivion Ring
2 Qasali Pridemage
4 Negate
2 Rhox War Monk
4 Kor Firewalker

James Williams

Main Deck:
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Lotus Cobra
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Dauntless Escort
2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Baneslayer Angel
4 Sovereigns of Lost Alara
2 Eldrazi Conscription

1 Sejiri Steppe
2 Sunpetal Grove
3 Stirring Wildwood
2 Celestial Colonnade
5 Forest
2 Island
2 Plains
2 Verdant Catacombs
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Arid Mesa
1 Scalding Tarn

Sideboard:
4 Kor Firewalker
4 Negate
2 Rhox War Monk
2 Qasali Pridemage
3 Oblivion Ring

Inigo Remigio

Main Deck:

4 Abyssal Persecutor
4 Sprouting Thrinax
4 Bloodbraid Elf
4 Putrid Leech
4 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Terminate
4 Blightning
2 Bituminous Blast
2 Momentous Fall
4 Lightning Bolt

4 Savage Lands
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Lavaclaw Reaches
3 Raging Ravine
3 Dragonskull Summit
3 Mountain
3 Forest
4 Swamp

Sideboard:
3 Duress
3 Great Sable Stag
4 Goblin Ruinblaster
3 Doom Blade
2 Malakir Bloodwitch


John Grudzina

Main Deck:
4 Wall of Omens
3 Oblivion Ring
4 Spreading Seas
4 Path to Exile
3 Ajani Vengeant
3 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
3 Gideon Jura
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Day of Judgment
3 Divination
2 Martial Coup
4 Island
1 Mountain
5 Plains
3 Arid Mesa
4 Celestial Colonnade
4 Glacial Fortress
3 Scalding Tarn
2 Tectonic Edge

Sideboard:
1 Kor Firewalker
2 Meddling Mage
3 Wall of Denial
1 Celestial Purge
3 Flashfreeze
4 Negate
1 Day of Judgment

Ryan Oberholtzer

Maindeck:

4 Sovereigns of Lost Alara
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Baneslayer Angel
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Lotus Cobra
4 Dauntless Escort
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
2 Eldrazi Conscription
1 Finest Hour

1 Sejiri Steppe
2 Sunpetal Grove
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Stirring Wildwood
3 Celestial Colonnade
2 Island
1 Marsh Flats
4 Misty Rainforest
5 Forest
2 Plains

Sideboard:
3 Rhox War Monk
3 Qasali Pridemage
4 Negate
1 Finest Hour
1 Oblivion Ring
2 Vapor Snare
1 Mind Control

Phil Li

Maindeck:

4 Polymorph
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 See Beyond
4 Ponder
3 Garruk Wildspeaker
4 Growth Spasm
2 Spell Pierce
4 Explore
4 Awakening Zone

4 Khalni Garden
4 Halimar Depths
4 Misty Rainforest
7 Island
5 Forest

Sideboard:
3 Rite of Replication
1 Djinn of Wishes
3 Great Sable Stag
4 Summoning Trap
3 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Progenitus


Grayson Tomecek

Maindeck:

3 Duress
4 Guul Draz Vampire
4 Vampire Nocturnus
4 Pulse Tracker
4 Vampire Lacerator
4 Bloodghast
3 Bloodthrone Vampire
4 Smother
4 Marsh Flats
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Kalastria Highborn
2 Disfigure
14 Swamp
1 Vampire Hexmage
4 Gatekeeper of Malakir

Sideboard:
1 Pithing Needle
1 Duress
2 Vampire Hexmage
3 Sadistic Sacrament
4 Deathmark
1 Tendrils of Corruption
3 Blood Seeker


Bradley Robinson

Maindeck:
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Arid Mesa
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Sejiri Steppe
2 Stirring Wildwood
3 Celestial Colonnade
5 Forest
2 Plains
2 Island
2 Sunpetal Grove

4 Noble Hierarch
4 Lotus Cobra
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Baneslayer Angel
2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Dauntless Escort
4 Sovereigns of Lost Alara
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Eldrazi Conscription

Sideboard:
4 Kor Firewalker
2 Rhox War Monk
4 Negate
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Oblivion Ring
1 Path to Exile


P.S. I am in the process of assembling all of the standings to create the Player of the Year Rankings.  I know this is taking forever, and believe me, I apologize.  Once everything is up to date it should be much easier to maintain tournament to tournament.  Thank you for your patience.  Also, my old computer crashed and I haven't installed the software to update my website yet.  It will be out of date for a few weeks, but then everything should be back up and running.

Thanks guys,

-Nick

[Juggernaut GO]

any chance of getting that venue up in north jersey again?

[Prospero]

I don't think that you're doing anything wrong.  I think it was just an unfortunate situation with PTQ dates, Regionals, and other tournaments. 

You run a great show Nick.  I really think this is just an outlier.  I hope you treat it as such.

[chrispikula]

Sorry things did not go better Nick- your tourneys are great and I try to let people know about them as much as possible. Hopefully I will win the next one, as second place is miserable. 

[forcethewill]

wonderful event mr. coss.  and i didnt have anything to drink.  lol.  i believe the god of thunder is retired for a while.  Mr. Hangley will be back as he was in full force at all future events. 

[Cunningbeaver]

Dom was playing drain tendrils and he defeated David in the top 8 then promptly got STOMPED *snicker* by Nate.

It's a shame more ppl didn't turn out for this thing. May has been and will continue to be a busy/stacked month as far as tournaments go, hopefully it was just a bad luck weekend.

[Cruel Ultimatum]

Has jace mindsculpted the eastern pa,nj, and ny players???

[Gekoratel]

Yeah it's been sculpted so we play good cards.

[Smmenen]

Sorry things did not go better Nick- your tourneys are great and I try to let people know about them as much as possible. Hopefully I will win the next one, as second place is miserable. 

Chris - you should write a tournament report to publicize the event and the format.   

[T00L]

Sorry things did not go better Nick- your tourneys are great and I try to let people know about them as much as possible. Hopefully I will win the next one, as second place is miserable. 

Chris - you should write a tournament report to publicize the event and the format.   

+1

[FAVO!!!!1]

Sorry things did not go better Nick- your tourneys are great and I try to let people know about them as much as possible. Hopefully I will win the next one, as second place is miserable. 

Chris - you should write a tournament report to publicize the event and the format.   

Starcity would jump at that... Maybe call it "Meddling Mage exploring Vintage."

[chrispikula]

I wish I had taken better notes on the tourney. Also, I don't really want to talk too much about decklists or deck choices, as I think that the some of the popular notions about some of the popular decks are quite wrong. So, I'm not sure how great a report I could produce. 

Most of my matches were not that interesting:

Round 1 vs Dredge: I basically won this match 3-0. I should have won game 1 but both of us failed to realize I should have been trampling with my Inkwell Leviathan which I had Tinkered out on turn 1.  It was quite embarrassing for me, but I had acknowledged at the start of the match that I was feeling foggy and was not ready to play. Luckily this mistake pissed me off enough so that I got my head in the game afterwards.  I won both sideboarded games with Dredge hate.

Round 2 vs Dredge (I think this guy just beat Matt Elias in a finals somewhere): I lose game 1, but dredge hate works game 2.  In game 3 on the draw I keep a hand of Leyline of the Void, Ponder, and 3 random cards and draw a land in my first draw step and win.

Rounds 3 and 4 I believe I beat another Tezz deck and a Drain Tendrils deck, but I'm pretty sure both these matches were blowouts where I just drew tons of restricted cards very early in the games. 

Round 5 I lost to Nathan (who also beat me in the finals).  My draws were quite poor in these games.

Round 6 I IDed.

In the quarters I played Evan and his MUD deck. The first two games were both blowouts.  Game 3 I should have won easily but failed to play aggressively and nearly lost because of it.  I do not have the experience of playing against Smokestack that other vintage players have.  I managed to win the game despite being Jesters Capped and left with only Dark Confidants to win.

In the semis I beat another MUD deck, I got decent draws here and won pretty easily.

I won game 1 of the finals- I believe I had Ancestral Recall in my opener with Spell Pierce backup.  Game 2 I was destroyed by Library of Alexandria (I'm the only Tezz deck in the world with Strip Mine and Wasteland, there is no justice!).  Game 3 I mulliganed into Ruby, Sol Ring, Ancestral Recall, Dark Confidant, Force of Will, Blue Card and decided to keep and did not draw a land in time to put up a fight. 

[Gekoratel]

I wish I had taken better notes on the tourney. Also, I don't really want to talk too much about decklists or deck choices, as I think that the some of the popular notions about some of the popular decks are quite wrong. So, I'm not sure how great a report I could produce. 

Would you mind elaborating more on this point either here on the forums or in an article, I'm always happy to see different perspectives on Vintage.

[Killane]

I wish I had taken better notes on the tourney. Also, I don't really want to talk too much about decklists or deck choices, as I think that the some of the popular notions about some of the popular decks are quite wrong. So, I'm not sure how great a report I could produce. 

Would you mind elaborating more on this point either here on the forums or in an article, I'm always happy to see different perspectives on Vintage.

Seconded - especially if you have thoughts on the current direction of Oath, various Dredge builds, the role of Jace the Mindsculptor, and the (overly long) restricted list.

[chrispikula]

Seconded - especially if you have thoughts on the current direction of Oath, various Dredge builds, the role of Jace the Mindsculptor, and the (overly long) restricted list.

I'm not a big fan of Oath.  I think it is a deck that is really good at beating bad and unprepared players and is otherwise mediocre. 

[Therubecube]

wonderful event mr. coss.  and i didnt have anything to drink.  lol.  i believe the god of thunder is retired for a while.  Mr. Hangley will be back as he was in full force at all future events. 

I think Mr. Hangley plays much better and sober magic than the god of thunder. Nice result Jimmy, and to all. Very sorry I couldn't make it, Nick your tournaments are always a blast. Hopefully the low numbers will improve.

[Rico Suave]

I'm not a big fan of Oath.  I think it is a deck that is really good at beating bad and unprepared players and is otherwise mediocre. 

Hi Chris, this is Brad.  You probably wouldn't know my handle on this site from the times we've talked in person.  As a bit of reminder we've played the Tezz vs. Oath match a couple times in tournaments.  The most memorable event was at the last Philly Open (not a week ago, the one before that), where my own Oath ended up backfiring and you decked me with Ancestral.

In many ways I agree with your statement.  There are times where playing Oath feels like playing Tezz, except I also have these completely dead draws taking up valuable deck space.  The benefit of "upgrading" Dark Confidant into Oath doesn't change the fact that Bob himself is pretty good too.  There are some other cards like Sower of Temptation which may be the right card...but are completely unplayable in Oath.

Because of those reasons I was heavily debating whether or not to even play Oath at this tournament.  Are these reasons similar to why you have the view you do?

[chrispikula]

Brad I know who you are, and in real life you definitely come across as a Rico Suave type.

I don't want to get into this too much. I just think Oath has too many dead draws, and it is too easy to hate out. 

When you beat me with Oath in Philly, I had specifically decided to ignore Oath in my deck building and knew the match was going to be difficult.  Making the adjustments to make me feel really good about the Oath matchup is not hard to do.  I can't say that about a lot of other decks. 

[V is for Vintage]

 This was my first vintage event ever, and It was run super smoothly. I went 3-3 after a rough start, and a ton of play errors, and came in 22nd. I had a fantastic time, learned alot, and met a ton of cool people.


keep running these, great time!

[internalrust]

This was my second vintage event.  I had a lot of fun just wished i fared better than 3 wins 3 loses.  I look forward to improving and playing on in the world of vintage.  I've only been at the game of magic for just over a year and i enjoy playing with and against all of these veterans who i can learn from and hopefully someday beat. Thanks Nick for the event i look forward to coming to more of your events.

T.J. 

[dredgenought]

Definitely a tough break on the Mother's Day weekend - but as always Jake and I look forward to the next event Mr Coss!