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Author Topic: [Deck Discussion] Michael Lellouche - Madness - Top 8 BOM  (Read 20903 times)
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« on: May 25, 2010, 01:08:33 am »

Hello guys,

I am a little bit surprised not seeing lot of talk about this very original "Madness" build, that top8ed at the last bazaar of moxen event. For once, a very original build demonstrated excellent results in a "pretty significant" tournament" Wink
I have to admit that I don't even understand how it performed so well but it did. Huge congratulations to the deck builder for this innovation.

I think this could be an interesting discussion, with lot of space for analysis and understanding of innovation... That's why I would really  like to hear the TMD community's opinion regarding this build, here is the list played in BOM, so original, so surprising, with choices that are really not evident but showed to be relevant : no brainstorm/ponder, no black tutors, no mystical, no tarmogoyf, tinker alone, merchant scroll, grim lavamancer...

Your opinion?

PS : if M. Lellouche read this thread, I would really like a tournament report or detailed explanations for choices. And again congrats!

Michael Lellouche - Madness

4 Squee, Goblin Nabob
4 Basking Rootwalla
3 Grim Lavamancer
1 Darksteel Colossus

4 Force of Will
4 Circular Logic
2 Spell Pierce
2 Spell Snare

1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Intuition
1 Tinker

2 Ancient Grudge
2 Life from the Loam
1 Crop Rotation

1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Diamond
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl

1 Strip Mine
2 Wasteland
1 Riftsone Portal
1 Barbarian Ring
1 Island
1 Tundra
3 Volcanic Island
3 Tropical Island
1 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand

4 Bazaar of Bagdad

SB:
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Spell Pierce
3 Swords to Plowshares
3 Ravenous Trap
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Pyroblast
4 Nature's Claim
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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2010, 02:26:01 am »

There's a tournament report in French available here : http://solomoxen.com/forum/index.php?topic=12017.0

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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2010, 03:27:29 am »

There's a tournament report in French available here : http://solomoxen.com/forum/index.php?topic=12017.0

Thanks for the information. I read it and this is very interesting.
In terms of strategy, I have the feeling that this deck is in between "big blue" and "The Deck". Am I right?
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2010, 04:33:11 am »

The lack of mox jet and the inclusion of mox diamond is interesting to me. Do you think that was a budget consideration or did he just need more on color moxen?
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2010, 05:38:30 am »

OMG this is such a pile. I instantly fell in love with it Razz

I know Serge Metz also played a similar list, if not exactly the same. Saw him tapping Bazaars and putting Rootwallas into play.

Just wonder about some card choices. For example, why no Thirst? Why not more Intuition? Intuition on Bazaar, LftL and Strip seems to be a good move. Not to mention Intuition on 3 Squee if you have Bazaar. Why no Tabernacle???
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2010, 12:14:28 pm »

There's a tournament report in French available here : http://solomoxen.com/forum/index.php?topic=12017.0

I cant read french but was able to decipher it well enough after running it through the google translator
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"Finally postponement vintage!

I played madness recess, and a deck that I emerged from the appearance of ravenous trap .. Indeed, the card has two advantages for madness, the first: it's very playable AND cons Ichorid madness in the second: it is very Ichorid cons and it will be played except that AC is average against madness.


With the addition of spell pierce the deck gets a little power, a cons for a single mana will not suffer too much of the land drop bazaar.


And Now Ladies (?) And Gentle list as expected:


/ / Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

/ / Lands
    2  Wasteland
    1  Strip Mine
    3 [] Volcanic Island
    3 [] Tropical Island
    1  Barbarian Ring
    2  Flooded Strand
    1  Island
    4  Bazaar of Baghdad
    1  Tundra
    1  Riftstone Portal
    1  Polluted Delta

/ / Creatures
    4  Squee, Goblin Nabob
    4  Basking Rootwalla
    1  Darksteel Colossus
    3  Grim Lavamancer

/ / Spells
    4  Force of Will
    1 [] Mox Sapphire
    4  Circular Logic
    1 [] Mox Pearl
    1 [] Mox Emerald
    1 [] Mox Ruby
    1 [] Black Lotus
    1 [] Ancestral Recall
    1 [] Time Walk
    2  Life from the Loam
    1  Intuition
    2  Ancient Grudge
    1 [HS] Mox Diamond
    2  Spell Pierce
    2  Spell Snare
    1  Tinker
    1  Merchant Scroll
    1  Crop Rotation

/ / Sideboard
SB: 1  Spell Pierce
SB: 3 [Zen] Ravenous Trap
SB: 2 [] Red Elemental Blast
SB: 3  Swords to Plowshares
SB: 4  Nature's Claim
SB: 1  Bojuka Bog
SB: 1  Pyroblast


The deck has undergone some changes since I have emerged.

I played three mox diamond but after several death, I have replaced a by a third volcanic, the second will be replaced by the fourth logic.

No lavamancer grim face at the beginning but the resurgence of Selkie and delicate game against him I am obliged to find a solution, I thought Jaya but it is expensive, LA was really grim good idea and allows me to have a very comfortable game against Selke really to my advantage.

I played two deep at the base but facing the metagame shop / Selke grudge seemed more approrié and also allows me to have a good shop g1 cons, if I touch it is almost a grudge game.


Regarding the side: the release of nature's claim was a blessing, I grudge 2 / 2 ray of revelation, I immediately rose to claim 4 which significantly boost both myself out game that is becoming downright positive side after with side and cons on 4 anti-magic if a password myself out and shop which takes grudge 2 and 4 claim, which diversifies the cost of the Chalice and allows me to have 6 anti-artifact.

At the g2, I often switch grudge for the claim, which allows me to manage both needle etc ... leyline and, if the opponent plays.

Ravenous trap, what else? Bojuka bog, tested and approved, after having taken a T1 unmask the part of discovering a Ichorid bojuka, I decided to leave. Also AC increases the number of anti-graveyard, instead of 4 trap, I pass three trap, a crop, an intuition and the ability to search for Dredger through life in the emergency bojuka.


Swords to plowhares: impressive efficacy, no card does it better than swords, it manages Tarmo remains dangerous, sphinxes, golem, Triskele, etc. .... absolutely beautiful. The white splash is only justified for it.


That, ultimately, to madness as very good game, shop, Selkie, aggro and myself out, which are really favorable, against control and combo AC is 50/50 ..


And now, the postponement (head):

Round 1: Drain tendrills:
g1: I Will everything except the cons that returns the game.
g2: t1 tinker with his hand strength back up, ancestral recall t2 + merchant on a second force.

The day begins well!


Round 2: Oath
g1: I played myself out without T2 orchard, I pass on intuition Barbarian, strip and I know just what, that way I could ask for striper strip orchard and played a Barbarian to kill the token, basically I'll stop of oaths, my only game plan is to put two thirds rootwala end of turn, while I tinker around and walk time, wholesale is not won ...

I strip / Barbarian when he top line after another orchard, I did not strip or barbarian on the table, I Life, poses strip and compelled me to play my walk time to play around in my barbarian what I did, more than my first dredge I turn my tinker.

I therefore time walk etc. ... when I strip / and kill my opponent concedes his token because he could not turn her myself out and I have 40 cards in your hands but I do not see how the killing was part Dredger my deck for the Barbarian is not hollowing , writ.

g2: the two is a formality, I draw a lot, strip and cons all.


Round 3: Ichorid:
g1: it's bazaar, I wast. 6 dredge it lap by asking a few beasts on my side I manage with Barbarian, grim and agame, I missed my turn to play a tinker with my starting hand without finding mox, a lap earlier and I earned the first Ichorid cons.

I said that the tournament is the spirit of me slip away, losing the first match and the 0 / 1 Ichorid cons, I'm getting scared, I'm not completely awake, my deck either, we get motivated more than two games to sharpen and 6 rounds won, too easy!

g2: I keep this hand: Bazaar, Life, mox emerald, ruby mox, mox diamond and I do not know what, I draw two, discard volcanic and I know just what I care, life, mox * 3, crop rotation (cool ^ ^) I * 2 life mox, mox diamond and go, it's Bazaar and draw 2>> go, I dredge life hoping to find a wast, I bojuka top bog, I wast on crop> transfer the bazaar life to wast and bojuka and plays it ... gg

g3: it keeps to 7 and made t0 leyline go, I draw on a trap and bazaar lap after I leyline his claim and won easily trap / wast etc. ..


Round 4: Oath:

g1: I am against everything he tries and is easily killed in agame.
g2: similar but even easier, I made him crack his hand for a direct claim that I myself out after game very easy.


Round 5: Mud:
g1: I keep this hand: mox * 2 * 2 land (fetch), merchant and logic, it starts and is factory + mox go, ok I play against mud, I made mox * 2 + fetch, in turn plays shop and tries Masticore who will take his logic to one, in my turn I draw life, life I fetch and fetch and is on two merchant>> intuition lap grudge based on * 2 j'intuitione and strip for the game.

g2: a slaughter of the claim, and wast of grudge along with swords, the macth is hardly winnable for him.


Round 6: camille with Selkie:

g1: I let a tear that could be null rod boring by countering a time, I dazera, playing the flashback of grudge that will force, a force I + blue cards and lands in hand (which he does not know), and I spend my grim lavamancer quietly for the game.

g2: he goes well with noble t2 strip time walk, meddling in grim, so I have to manage truck, reb, pyrob, swords, and barbarian grim, he plays a qasalie then, I have a swords and tinker but I'm waiting to have a lot of back up, I swords when I was 8 and is a agame to block qasalie meanwhile it only draws exactly nothing even though I doubt he could won the since the number of bomb and cons that I play against him, grim, tinker, and my engine Barbarian pick unmanageable bazaar / life, in short, a basic easy game but even more against an opponent who does not pick anything.


Round 7: again Selke COol a bye ..
G1: I keep a hand with: * 2 strength, logic, tinker, mox, fetch and wast, I first go fetch mox, he plays black and I said that maybe combo and prepare myself psychologically to play both my strength on a bomb. He followed this land mox, crack black and plays trygon> ok, I too was top bazaar not so bad, I played fetch and tinker passing it a swords tempt me strength and I wast my lap and puts its Tundra bazaar with an island on a table and logic in hand>>> gg

g2: there will be a very early tarmogoyf shoed that the game accompanied trygon that I was induced because I'm Sword shorts Mana .. I got to operate it just after a second join him, I would block a Squee but a well placed qasali shoed me lose ..

g3: super easy bazaar T1, chained by wast / strip and life, I manage a few spell easily and cons, I will kill him easily with a grim who kills his only source of mana, which are both noble, the denial is strong. Note that t2 plays I selk logic, he daze, I had my turn reb, it asks, I walk and play time reb on a second Selke, and gg the wast ...


Round 8: Oath:
g1; I begin by tundra, black, it's orchard> soil that I hesitate to ring piercer but no, I play Bazaar and go, he played myself out that I can piercer, I bazaar and logic that I am forced to play with black for the third card to the graveyard, he forces I can not do anything>>> gg ..

g2: easy, I cons, he forced the passage of a claim and that I myself out .. gg
g3: he spends a T2 orchard myself out, I draw four cards with Bazaar, I claim that I played the hand without back up, I found nothing and it to a blue untapp, AC passes ... whew, I get easy after he mulligans to 6 and play myself out with t2 orchard, you can not have everything ... ^ ^


Round 9: Manu with bombergift ..
g1: I play black t2> merchant> Trall with bazaar and open land, he played for four mystcal teaching on MISD, logic and I fow ... s'éternisse the game a bit I get a little behind with my bazaar, he plays tinker cons I force it with his last two cards for my turn I draw 5 (2 bazaar), and then another 5 through time walk, but would not touch my tinker who allowed myself to do the race, his or her life is already begun through a crypt and a agame ..

g2: I easily dominates, I very much against everything and pick it tempt one yawgmoth's Will, I pierce and intuition in hand with two open bazaar, he still has two mana, and sensei no cards in hand .. I draw 2, but nothing I did on intuition and logic * 2 pierce, preferring to pierce fow fow in because if I remove it and draw pierce through drain sensei I am wrong, it gives me pierce, I play it pays a I second, he loses ..


g3: I know there is not much time and I did not kill him quickly though, I've never played a game so quickly, Manu will be hard to keep up ..

I dominated the game from beginning to end, I share in denail via wast and claim on ground ring and mox there will be plenty of cards in his hand but could not play much, he spits on fow claim not to be too low mana thus I have an advantage over the number of cons .. I have a big influence on the game, I stick by lap three but nothing starts to dig, as lands, more blocked shots .... I bojuka top bog that I hesitated to go home, he has two cards in hand and two mana, I have nothing better to do and out is yawgmoth's Will I play bojuka bog Will it top, damage was TopDeck good, but the only good by picking 5 / 6 rounds to sharpen without digging through bazaar of cons ...


YAHOUUUUUUUU second Top8 two bom incredible, I'm super happy .. and still in alpha list for the booster with an opponent, the future winner of the tournament, also the only way that I was going before he wins the tournament ..


Quarter finals: Mud on the eve of my opponent who I was playing CB fights pact * 2 under counterbalance, he said he wants his revenge ..

g1: I start and go to the bazaar is to psychotic, I do not draw for my turn, I draw and I wast discarding portal, Squee and land, the change I see his head ^ ^ I said to myself? " He said no, mox * 2, black, sphere * 2 ... I ask bazaar, I re-wast .. mox and plays for 2, I do toperais no land, he will play for me mox and saucer with a mishra's factory equipped with a sword ...

g2: a hand without motor but with plenty of deck of cards managements .. tours are conducted like this:
he plays metalo I swords, he plays golem, I swords, he plays Triskele, I claim, another Triskele, I claim, a golem followed in the same round by a steel sculpting, I grudge the golem in response, it copies a mox ruby etc. ..... I dredge all the towers life since 5 laps and cons of turning Trall particular, I finally pick my bazaar which will draw shoed THAT lands, just to what ... I have an influence over the game but do not pick, he played agame on duplicating, and crew of a sword of fire and ice, I come to MA missplay I look out the sword and said okay, I try of duplicating the grudge and saw me after like an idiot that grudge is red and not green, I'm super tired so I slept three hours and have played at least 20 rounds in short, I release the sword and takes a while I'm 6, I still must have 2 Bazaar, few options and I still have two thirds agame, the anit-artifact and tinker in my deck, it will not kill me before I pick the one of his cards .. I played it metalla logic, because ca twice the speed of kill, in the end I toperais my tinker while I only have 6 cards in Bibal ...>>> gg, I never in real danger in This game despite déchatte on life for 5 / 6 laps dredg NO land ..

g3: easy, I start farting while I manage some artos / animals using swords and grudge, I wast to sharpen a few laps, he did a lot more cards in hand, much more mana than a metallo it attack with, I draw through bazaar and blocks through a booster to agame flying red bull shoed concede that my opponent ..


1 / 2 Final: the winner of the tournament: Mud:

g1: I know what it is, I leave confident ... the finale, I do not remember the two games except that I share with toperais bazaar but not anti-artifact, or mana, or strength, while his hand very well and very fast ...

Just a moment he T1 wast> mana vault> metallo, I draw a lot through bazaar to find a green and play claim on metallo, I think I have the game in hand at that moment, he topera Mishra's Workshop, wast my bazaar plays reliquary, then toperas mana crypt for Masticore, then karn etc. ... Then I made a nice draw and death pierce, snare, logic ...

In short, damage to the wing I made sure the win when the boost alpha but not want AC, AC is not ... I am a bit disappointed to lose SE game that is very favorable, but so happy the two scores and lots ..


In the end, I've never really been in danger except porcesque output in the first round and final game, the rest was pretty easy and I still notch ahead of the game, the deck is for me, the best deck format, a lot of good matches and no bad .. The side is impressive versatility and power, 4 claim against AC shop and myself out a lot of management and little time for two slot game bojuka is also against control / combo cons swords shop / myself out and control to the Sphinx. ..

I had the impression of having only good game during the tournament, it was really nice .. That said, unless you have the game in hand, the deck does not support missplay whether a land green instead of red to prevent barbarian, or a boost because it was agame T2 lander volcanic instead of too, or play a crop, it is very well know the deck in order to anticipate the cards that will happen ...



Two tournaments extraordinary .... Too happy, I finally MY Tralli me .. Thank you to everyone for their support during the day without forgetting the traditional thanks to Serge for the cards but not limited to playtest with a very good player .. ^ ^"
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2010, 12:37:07 pm »

OMG this is such a pile. I instantly fell in love with it Razz

I know Serge Metz also played a similar list, if not exactly the same. Saw him tapping Bazaars and putting Rootwallas into play.

Just wonder about some card choices. For example, why no Thirst? Why not more Intuition? Intuition on Bazaar, LftL and Strip seems to be a good move. Not to mention Intuition on 3 Squee if you have Bazaar. Why no Tabernacle???

Yeah, Serge Metz played exactly the same deck. Manuel Sternis told me so.
I played Serge Metz and he went Mox, Mox, Lotus, Intuition of Life, Waste, Strip and wasted my Bazaar. I was like "What? O_o" first, but I had a 2nd Bazaar, so it was okay.

But I'd second what Tobi said. I think things can be maxed out here and there.
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2010, 07:02:28 pm »

Hi there. Congrats to Lellouche, that proved a good player can win with different decks. It's a lot of i time i don't post and play but i love madness, i played so many games with it and my two only (old) post are about it.

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=36362.0
http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=30261.0


Random thoughts. In my experience when artifact and fish is a good % of metagame madness is a good choice. As Lellouche said in his report ravenou's trap and nature's claim are two very good sideboard cards, that helped him. He choose to run ancient grudge instead of deep for metagame choise, it makes sense... i don't really like merchant, the only real good target is fow, ancestral in a deck that run bazaar is not important as other decks, you draw already a lot, better a deep in a deck like this. Brainstorm, is worst that careful study in this deck. Mox jet: mox off colour are not that good...
I don't like intuition all that much because it seems very good but in a deck that run 4bazaar (= no mana) and don't run all that many mana artifacts, cc3 is so slow...
I like lavamancer, but i prefear sword to plowshares. With this configuration we don't have an answer to tinker for colossus and noble fish can sword it and you'll never kill his creatures, that's where swords i think are better. Oath the first game is a bad matchup but after sideboarding is a very good one, a lot of drawing + counter and disenchant effects. I like goyf more than mongrell and walla but in this metagame full of artifact decks i think the mongrell walla version is better. I like the spell pierce/ spell snare approach, better than duress in this metagame, a variant in the ugw version could be meddling mage. Tinker for darksteel is not that bad, but without tutors it's not that good as well, i would prefear two mongrell, and again cc3 is slow. I don't think Lellouche's deck is 50% against control and combo as he claims, at least against good players, because in my opinion with 1/1 as win conditions you are too slow, and your theats are not a big deal for them, especially if they don't run dark confidant as draw mechanic (against confidant at least your lavamancer are not totally dead cards). One very good thing of playing a deck like this, is that your opponents doesn't know how to play against you causing them a lot of mistakes, it happened a lot to my opponents.

Lellouche and his performance made me playtest again vintage after a long time. That's what i'm going to try (not tested it, at least in the last years Smile ):

4bazaar of baghdad
3tropical island
3tundra
1island
5fetch
1strip mine
1mox pearl
1sapphire
1mox emerald
1mox ruby
1black lotus
(i've to test the mana base)


4wild mongrel
4basking rootwalla
4meddling mage

4circular logic
4force of will

3swords to plowshares

4careful study
3deep analysis

1ancestral recall
1time walk

2life from the loam
4squee goblin nabob


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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2010, 10:07:26 pm »

Good lord, I can't remember the last time I laughed as hard as I did reading that translation.
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2010, 10:58:32 pm »

Good lord, I can't remember the last time I laughed as hard as I did reading that translation.

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Good read, solid performance, interesting deck. 
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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2010, 01:56:45 am »

French is actually what I am working on now. Hopefully by BoM next year, I will be ready!
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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2010, 05:11:31 am »

I played against Serge Metz if I remember right, twice at BoM.
I didn't feel this deck was powerful. Or he didn't really had good games. I played belcher at the time, but I've always won on goblins at like, turn 7. IMO, it lacks a good clock, otherwise it's quite interesting.
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2010, 10:39:29 am »

Like any counter heavy deck in the metagame, it has a very hard time to beat a storm strategy, the main weakness of the deck.
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2010, 11:03:02 pm »

The lack of mox jet and the inclusion of mox diamond is interesting to me. Do you think that was a budget consideration or did he just need more on color moxen?
This is just a guess, but I would assume the Diamond was included over Jet because due to frequency of one mana cost spells Jet will only help cast 8 cards in deck (not counting Logic) and help pump Rootwalla sometimes, whereas Diamond can actually cast the rest of the spells in the deck too, as well as provide on color mana to back up a first turn Bazaar.
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2010, 11:50:29 pm »

Not to mention he plays 20 lands and life from the loam, making diamonds cost reasonable, and easily attainable.  Only difference I may have is maindecking a trygon predator or four.  In a MUD/Oath/Fish heavy environment, it can kill equipment, oaths, and um....everything in mud. 
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« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2010, 06:33:32 am »

It is important to note that this list is probably heavily metagamed for the BoM metagame. Maindeck Lavamancer and Grudges for Selkie and MUD. Those will be pretty bad against Elephant Oath.

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« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2010, 01:41:11 pm »

I like similarities between this and Dawn of the Dead.  I have always been a fan of SqueeZaar engine. 

I would like to see a version of this list cutting red for black. 
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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2010, 08:04:06 am »

I would like to see a version of this list cutting red for black.  

If you cut red you lose Grim and Grudges which are good against MUD and NobleFish, two major decks in Europe.

Black gives you discard, Confidant and Zombie Infestation, but I don't think needs both discard and the current set of counters. Confidants and Z-Infest could be good inclusions though. Darkblast could also be good.

I like similarities between this and Dawn of the Dead.  I have always been a fan of SqueeZaar engine.  

I have a topic on Dawn of the Dead in the improvement forum btw.
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2010, 09:41:13 am »

red is in fact just stronger than black .

mancers to survivve random aggro/hate/fish , and grudge to win vs mono Brown .(in europe if u wanna test a deck u play vs Staxx , drains  and consider a bord against dredge)

but to be serious , he was lucky not to met a draincontrol Smile , but in the end => he s (one of) the best french players , and plays the deck just perfect Smile

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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2010, 03:05:05 pm »

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but to be serious , he was lucky not to met a draincontrol   Smile,
He met at least one drain control!

I'm the opponent of the ninth and last round before top8.
My deck (BomberGifts) is a sort of Drain Control (with just an Auriok combo) , and he could beat me Wink
Madness plays so many counters, and a so strong engine (with Bazaar and Squee), it is completely able to beat Drain decks!!
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« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2010, 05:02:06 am »

Control can simply do nothing about bazaar as an engine because it can't counter it. Going first turn island (Spell Pierce / Spell Snare Online), second turn bazaar (Circular Logic Online and draw engine online) is pretty good.
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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2010, 11:02:42 am »

How did this guy do it? Playtesting this deck vs Oath and MUD has me wondering if he has better topdeck skills than I do.  Surprised Surprised Surprised
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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2010, 08:03:03 am »

In fact, this deck and another 4 with some similarities where among the best performers of the event, so I can tell this deck is far from bad
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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2010, 07:10:23 am »

Thread Necro.

Lellouche just won a tournament (French Open, 69 Players) with amost exactly the same list (switched grims with swords between MD and SB, and changed the lone SB Pierce to a second Pyroblast):

2 wasteland
1 strip mine
3 volcanic island
3 tropical island
1 barbarian ring
2 flooded strand
1 island
4 bazaar of baghdad
1 toundra
1 riftstone portal
1 polluted delta

4 squee, goblin nabob
4 basking rootwalla
1 darksteel colossus

4 force of will
4 circular logic
2 spell pierce
2 spell snare
1 mox sapphir
1 mox emerald
1 mox pearl
1 mox ruby
1 black lotus
1 ancestral recall
1 time walk
2 life from the loam
1 intuition
1 merchant scroll
2 ancient grudge
1 mox diamond
1 tinker
1 crop rotation
3 sword to plowshares

sideboard :

3 ravenous trap
2 red elemental blast
2 pyroblast
4 nature's claim
1 bojuka bog
3 grim lavamancer


The deck still seems to be doing good...
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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2010, 08:21:46 am »

I'm starting to wonder if his French opponents just surrendered to him....

But seriously, it is really hard to imagine Rootwallas (and Tinker) going the distance.  I'm curious how powered the tournament was and what decks this performed well against.  Could be he's just really good with madness?
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« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2010, 09:05:45 am »

I'm starting to wonder if his French opponents just surrendered to him....

But seriously, it is really hard to imagine Rootwallas (and Tinker) going the distance.  I'm curious how powered the tournament was and what decks this performed well against.  Could be he's just really good with madness?

Against an opposing control deck, Rootwalla is a free win condition, which, relative to other options, will a lot of the time effectively net you a card when you pitch it to Bazaar. It also can attack into opposing planeswalkers and block Bobs (sometimes surprise block Bobs) and such among other things. Against MUD it can kill Lodestone and against fish it kills everything except Tarmogoyf. To me, the card seems far from bad in such a deck or in the player's metagame (I assume there's a lot of Fish and MUD where this guy plays).
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« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2010, 05:02:25 pm »

Hy I participated to the french Open vintage that Mickael Lellouche win with Dredge, I finish 4th this is the meta

69 Players : 56 French, 12 Germans, 1 swiss,

3 madness
8 oath
6 DT
1 gob
5 Fish selkie
3 Mud
3 Tezzeret
2 Uba stax
6 Jacerator
6 Ichorid (1 manaless)
4 DJ
2 driade gush
1 bombergift
Rest : random deck

19 unpow and 50 power^^

And this is the top 8 deck list :


Top 8

1er Mickael Lelouche

MADNESS:

2 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
3 Volcanic Island
3 Tropical Island
1 Barbarian Ring
2 Flooded Strand
1 Island
4 Bazaar of Baghdad
1 Toundra
1 Riftstone Portal
1 Polluted Delta

4 Squee, goblin nabob
4 Basking Rootwalla
1 Darksteel Colossus

4 Force of Will
4 Circular Logic
2 Spell Pierce
2 Spell Snare
1 mox sapphir
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
2 Life from the Loam
1 Intuition
1 Merchant Scroll
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Mox Diamond
1 Tinker
1 Crop Rotation
3 sword to plowshares

sideboard :

3 Ravenous Trap
2 Red Elemental Blast
2 Pyroblast
4 nature's claim
1 Bojuka Bog
3 Grim Lavamancer



2eme Eddy perreira

1 Forest
1 Island
4 Force of Will
1 Mystical Tutor
1 sensei's divining top
1 Inkwell Leviathan
3 Trygon Predator
2 Mana Drain
3 Thoughtseize
1 Brainstorm
1 Flooded Strand
1 Polluted Delta
4 Dark Confidant
1 Mana Crypt
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Time Vault
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 mox sapphir
1 Mox Pearl
1 Sol Ring
2 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
1 Tinker
1 Voltaic Key
1 Tolarian Academy
1 yawgmoth's will
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 nature's claim
3 jace mindsculptor
4 Spell Pierce
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Scalding Tarn

sideboard :

2 yilid jailer
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Sower of Temptation
1 Darkblast
3 Red Elemental Blast
3 nature's claim


3eme Jean vincent

noble fish!!!!!

4 Noble Hierarch
4 Qasali Pridemage
3 Meddling Mage
3 Trygon Predator
1 Misdirection
4 Force of Will
3 Spell Pierce
3 Daze
3 Stifle
2 sword to plowshare
3 Null Rod
3 Tarmogoyf
1 Brainstorm
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 mox sapphir
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Black Lotus
2 Windswept Heath
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Flooded Strand
3 Toundra
4 Tropical Island
3 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine

sideboard :

1 umezawa's jitte
2 path to Exil
2 Pithing Needle
3 Wheel of Sun and Moon
3 nature's claim
2 tormod's crypt
2 Mindbreak Trap


4eme Sylvain Amstouz (it's me) I loose against Mickael Lelouche in Semi Finals 2/1, my report is in english on Eternal Central

Dredge

4 golgari grave troll
4 Stinkweed Imp
2 Golgari Thug
1 Darkblast
4 Bazaar of Baghdad
4 Undiscovered Paradise
4 City of Brass
2 Petrified Field
2 Ichorid
4 Bloodghast
4 Narcomoeba
3 Dread Return
1 flame kin zealoth
1 Angel of Despair
1 sphinx of the lost truth
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Leyline of the Void
4 Serum Powder
4 Bridge from Below
3 Fatestitcher

Sideboard :

4 Leyline of Sanctity
4 Chain of Vapor
3 nature's claim
2 Gemstone Mine
1 Petrified Field
1 Darkblast


5eme Daniel Scherer

"not playing magic" just the best deck ever!!!!

4 Chalice of the Void
4 Serum Powder
4 Bloodghast
1 flame kin zealoth
4 golgari grave troll
2 Ichorid
4 Narcomoeba
4 Stinkweed Imp
1 Woodfall Primus
4 Bridge from Below
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Darkblast
2 nature's claim
4 Bazaar of Baghdad
2 City of Brass
1 Dakmor Salvage
2 Petrified Field
4 Undiscovered Paradise
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Dread Return

sideboard :
1 Ichorid
4 Leyline of Sanctity
4 Chain of Vapor
2 Darkblast
2 nature's claim
2 City of Brass


6e Benjamin guillerm

1  Library of Alexandria
1  Swamp
1  Tolarian Academy
2  Island
2  Scalding Tarn
2  Volcanic Island
3  Polluted Delta
3  Underground Sea
3  Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Black Lotus
1  Lotus Petal
1  Mana Crypt
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1  Sensei's Divining Top
1  Sol Ring
1  Necropotence
1 Ancestral Recall
1  Brainstorm
1  Chain of Vapor
1  Fact or Fiction
1  Misdirection
1  Mystical Tutor
1  Rebuild
1  Thirst for Knowledge
1  Vampiric Tutor
2  Impulse
3  Dark Ritual
3  Mana Drain
4  Force of Will
1  Demonic Tutor
1  Empty the Warrens
1  Imperial Seal
1  Merchant Scroll
1  Ponder
1  Tendrils of Agony
1 Time Walk
1  Yawgmoth's Will
3  Duress
SB: 1  Pyroblast
SB: 1  Mindbreak Trap
SB: 1  Massacre
SB: 1  Ingot Chewer
SB: 1  Hurkyl's Recall
SB: 1  Extirpate
SB: 2  Yixlid jailer
SB: 2 [] Nihil Spellbomb
SB: 2  Lightning Bolt
SB: 2  Annul
SB: 1  Duress


7eme Pierre chambrion

1 Forest
1 Island
4 Force of Will
1 Mystical Tutor
1 sensei's divining top
1 Inkwell Leviathan
3 Trygon Predator
2 Mana Drain
3 Thoughtseize
1 Brainstorm
1 Flooded Strand
1 Polluted Delta
4 Dark Confidant
1 Mana Crypt
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Time Vault
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 mox sapphir
1 Mox Pearl
1 Sol Ring
2 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
1 Tinker
1 Voltaic Key
1 Tolarian Academy
1 yawgmoth's will
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 nature's claim
3 jace mindsculptor
4 Spell Pierce
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Scalding Tarn

sideboard :

2 yilid jailer
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Sower of Temptation
1 Darkblast
1 Pyroblast
2 Red Elemental Blast
3 nature's claim



8eme Damien colomb allias Darius

UBA 5cc staxless

1 Barbarian Ring
3 Bazaar of Baghdad
3 City of Brass
3 Gemstone Mine
4 Mishra's workshop
1 Strip Mine
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Wasteland
4 Goblin Welder
1 Steel Hellkite
1 Sundering Titan
4 Lodestone Golem
1 wurcoil engine
1 Triskelion
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
2 Crucible of Worlds
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Mana Vault
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 mox sapphir
1 Mox Jet
2 Ratchet Bomb
1 Sol Ring
4 Tangle Wire
1 Tinker
1 Trinisphere
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mana Crypt
4 Thorn of Amethyst
2 Uba Mask

sideboard :

3 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Duplicant
3 Red Elemental Blast
3 Ancient Grudge
1 Ange de platine


Lot du premier Unpow + Budget:

Benoit robillard

1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
2 Windswept Heath
2 verdant catacomb
1 Marsh Flats
3 Bayou
3 Scrubland
2 Savannah
1 plain
1 Swamp
1 Forest
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Qasali Pridemage
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Dark Confidant
3 Loam Lion
4 thoughtzeise
2 Duress
3 sword to plowshare
2 Vindicate
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Unearth
2 Sudden Spoiling^^

sideboard :

3 suffocate
2 nature's claim
2 Pithing Needle
1 Darkblast
3 Yilid jailer
1 Sword to plowshare
3 Ratchet Bomb   
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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2010, 06:14:02 pm »

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I'm starting to wonder if his French opponents just surrendered to him....
Clearly not! The deck doesn't kill as slowly as many people think, and fore sure nobody surrendered to him, but just lost.

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But seriously, it is really hard to imagine Rootwallas (and Tinker) going the distance.  I'm curious how powered the tournament was and what decks this performed well against. Could be he's just really good with madness?
When you have in front of you, a deck who draws at least 3 cards each turn and discards 3 Squees to Bazaar, it's easy to see that a simple Rootwalla is enough to go the distance. Basically, Madness is the deck who plays the more counterspells. After side, something like a counterwall of 16 counterspells! Have you ever tried to resolve a bomb through a counterwall like this? It's almost impossible.
You won't find a list who performed well against this deck a the French Open : he made 5 victories and 2 Intentional Draws on the Swiss, and after that he won the top8.
As far as I remember of what I saw, I think 60% of the field was powered.
One thing to note is that Mickael is a strong player and he's the sole player to make perfs with Madness at the moment.
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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2010, 01:04:38 pm »

Interestingly, this build - or something similar - continues to put in good results.

David Martinez just won the Dutch Championship with this list (it's missing one card, though - probably Strip Mine):

Creatures: 12

4 Basking Rootwalla
4 Bloodghast
3 Tarmogoyf
1 Squee, Goblin Nabob

Instants: 19

4 Force of Will
4 Circular Logic
3 Spell Pierce
2 Hurkyl's Recall
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Firestorm
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Mystical Tutor

Sorceries: 5

4 Careful Study
1 Life from the Loam

Artifacts: 3

2 Null Rod
1 Mox Emerald

Lands: 20

4 Bazaar of Baghdad
4 Tropical Island
3 Volcanic Island
3 Wasteland
3 Misty Rainforest
2 Polluted Delta
1 Gaea's Cradle

Sideboard:

4 Chalice of the Void
3 Tormod's Crypt
3 Nature's Claim
3 Grim Lavamancer
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Ravenous Trap
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« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2010, 02:20:35 pm »

You'd think there'd be at least one Riftstone Portal here so that Bazaars could make some mana.
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