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« on: February 24, 2011, 05:48:58 am »

So, here I'm again with my Gush analysis. I've already done this for the months of October and November. So I did it again for the months December and January. I hope you enjoy.

To recall: 01.10.2010 – 30.11.2010:
28 tournaments, 18 tournaments with at least one Gush.dec in the T8.

Tournament with Gush in T8

Ann Arbor 02.10.2010
Mol 03.10.2010
Alcobendas 09.10.2010
Yokohama 09.10.2010
Madrid 11.10.2010
Lindenhurst 17.10.2010
La Habra 17.10.2010
Selden 23.10.2010
Badalona 23.10.2010
Bloomsburg 30.10.2010
Bochum 06.11.2010
Durham 14.11.2010
Macerata 14.11.2010
Lloret de Mar 20.11.2010
San Jose 21.11.2010
Bloomsburg 27.11.2010
Mol 28.11.2010
Darmstadt 28.11.2010

So 224 T8 deck lists are available and from those there were 29 (12.95%) which have at least 1 Gush main. 25 decks (11.15%) are running 4 Gush.

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=41535.msg577527#msg577527
(01.10.2010 – 30.11.2010, Gush analysis)

The new Set: 01.12.2010 – 31.01.2011
15 tournaments, 14 tournaments with at least one Gush.dec in the T8.

Tournament with Gush in T8
Zürich 05.12.2010
Bloomsburg 11.12.2010
Chiba 12.12.2010
Lindenhurst 19.12.2010
Sarzana 28.12.2010
Hanau 29.12.2010
Selden 08.01.2011
Blue Bell 15.01.2011 Lindenhurst 16.01.2011
Littleton 16.01.2011
Bloomsburg 22.01.2011
Manila 23.01.2011
Badalona 29.01.2011
Darmstadt 30.01.2011

So 120 T8 deck lists are available and from those there were 26 (21.67%) which have at least 1 Gush main. 25 decks (20.83%) are running 4 Gush.

I will only look at two types of Gush.dec this time as from the others we do not have statistically relevant numbers.

1.   Spanish-Gushstorm (14 decks)
2.   Gush-Oath (5 decks)
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For the others, if your interessted, you can look at the decklists, and make a comparision on your own.
3.   Grow (2 decks)
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1373&d=4
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1377&d=7
4.   Cobra (1 deck)
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1379&d=7
5.   Almost Blue (1 deck)
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1383&d=1
6.   Diverse (2 decks)
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1381&d=6
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1380&d=6

So here we go:

1.   Spanish-Gushstorm

14 (56%) played a Storm deck with EtW and/or Tendrils. The average place in T8 of those decks is 4.3th

4 of 14 (28.57%) played in the finals and 2 (14.29%) had won the tournament.

1.1 About the manabase:
21.43% played 15/10 (land / solomoxen & crypt, vault, petal) 14.29% played 15/07 (land / solomoxen)
07.14% played 16/08 (land / lomoxen & crypt, petal)
07.14% played 16/06 (land / solomoxen, without pearl)
07.14% played 16/06 (land / solomoxen & crypt without pearl, without ruby)
07.14% played 15/11 (land / solomoxen & crypt, petal, vault, opal)
07.14% played 15/09 (land / solomoxen & crypt, petal)
07.14% played 15/06 (land/ lomoxen without pearl)
07.14% played 14/08 (land / solomoxen & crypt, petal, without pearl)
07.14% played 14/07 (land / lomoxen & crypt, petal, without pearl)

I will share a list which is built out of the data with the most often played cards:

1.2 Spanish-Gushstorm

1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal (64.29%)
1 Mana Crypt (71.43%)
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl (57.14%)
1 Mox Ruby (92.86%)
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring (78.57%)

1 Island
1 Snow-covered Island
1 Tropical Island
2 Volcanic Island
3 Underground Sea
6 Fetch
1 Tolarian Academy / Library of Alexandria (both 42.86%)

1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder (57.14%)
3 Preordain (78.57% ran at least 1, average number is 2.6)
4 Gush

1 Timetwister (50%)
1 Gifts Ungiven (91.33%)
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor (71.43%, average 0.9)

1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mystical Tutor

1 Fastbond
1 Regrowth (71.43%)
1 Time Walk
1 Yawgmoth's Will

1 Tendrils of Agony (85.71%)
1 Empty the Warrens (57.14%, average's 0.7)

4 Force of Will
3 Mana Drain (85.71%, average's 2.8)
3 Spell Pierce / Duress (*see explanation below)
1 Hurkyl's Recall (85.71%, average's 1.1)
1 Repeal (50%, average's 1.3)
1 Fire / Ice (57.14%, average's 0.9)

*As I only look for cards with 50% or higher, it would leave us with 3 slots open. I would suggest either Spell Pierce or Duress due to the highest remaining %. (Pierce 42.86%, average's 1.3, Duress 35.71%, average's 1.1; toghether they would've 78.57, average's 2.4).

1.3 Other cards that were played:

Imperial Seal (35.71%)
Chain of Vapor (35.71%)
Tinker (35.71%)
Mana Vault (28.57%)
Sensei's Divining Top (28.57%)
Mindbreak Trap (28.57%)
Fact or Fiction (28.57%)
Rebuild (28.57%)
Time Vault (21.42%)
Voltaic Key (21.42%)
Echoing Truth (21.42%)
Myr Battlesphere (14.29%)
Darksteel Collossus (14.29%)
Mox Opal
Nihil Spellbomb
Vendillion Clique
Lightning Bolt
Thirst for Knowledge
Viashino Heretic
Trygon Predator
Frantic Search
Future Sight
Sphinx oft he Steel Winds
Misdirection

1.4 Conclusion:

If we would look at the generic list of the 01.10.2010 – 31.11.2010 period, there are the following changes to this one:

- Mana Vault
- Sensei's Divining Top
- Chain of Vapor
- Repeal
- Rebuild

+ Fetch
+ Preordain
+ 3 Spell Pierce / Duress

Cards which are now less played than in Oct.-Nov.:
Ponder
Timetwister
Hurkyl's Recall
Fire / Ice
Cards which are now more played than in Oct.-Nov.: Preordain
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Regrowth
Library of Alexandria
Tinker / Bot

And then we've also the above mentioned changes, some left and had to make space for others. Tinker is more played but is still far away to be a must inclusion.
I think it's very interessting to see how preordain is raising over repeal in January. The decks started with at least 2-3 Repeal, now they don't play them any more but play with 4 Preordain. And that in Spain  Wink

2.   Gush-Oath

5 (20%) played a Oath deck with Tidespout Tyrant and/or Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. One of these decks played instead of Tyrant a Sphinx and Terastodon. The average place in T8 of those decks is 5th.

1 of 5 (20%) played in the finals.

2.1 About the manabase:
60% played 16/8 (land / solomoxen & petal)*
20% played 19/8 (land / solomoxen & crypt)
20% played 15/7 (land / solomoxen)

*all three decks had Mana Crypt in the SB.

I will share a list, which is built out of the data's with the most played cards:

2.2 Tyrant Oath

1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal (60%)
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring

4 Forbidden Orchard
5 Fetch
1 Island
2 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island (80%)

1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder (60%)
3 Preordain (80%, average's 2.6)
4 Gush

2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor (80%, average's 1.6)
2 Tidespout Tyrannt (80%, average's 1.4)

1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Imperial Seal / Mystical Tutor (both 40%)*

1 Fastbond
1 Krosan Reclamation (80%)
4 Oath of Druids
1 Brain Freeze (60%)
1 Flash of Insight (60%)
1 Time Walk
1 Yawgmoth's Will (80%) hellyea, there is a list which don't run Y-will…

4 Force of Will
3 Thoughtseize / Spell Pierce (80%, average's 2.6 / 40%, average's 1)*
1 Hurkyl's Recall / Nature's Claim (both 40%)*

*As I only look for cards with 50% or higher, it would leave us with 3 slots open.I would suggest:
- 3. Thoughtseize due to the highest remaining %. (Pierce 40%, average's 1,  Thoughtseize 80%, average's 2.2; toghether they would've an average of 3.2).
- Imperial Seal / Mystical Tutor (both 40%, toghether 80%)
- Hurkyl's Recall / Nature's Claim (both 40%, toghether 80%)

2.3 Other cards that were played:

Mana Drain (40%)
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn (40%)
Mana Crypt (additional 60% ins SB)
Time Vault
Voltaic Key
Mindbreak Trap
Tezzeret
Tinker
Sphinx of the Steel Wind
Terastodon
Sensei's Divining Top
Duress
Tendril's of Agony
Chain of Vapor
Show and Tell
Tolarian Academy

2.4 Conclusion:

We have not so many data's yet to compare this on a high level. I've expected more Tyrant-Oath in T8. And the builds are all very similar. But hey in this two months they made 5 t8. (there would be also a 6. with some combo-mode around of fastbond, crucible, zuran orb, witness but as it only run 3 Gush, I didn't count it for this analysis).


Sum: 01.10.2010 – 31.01.2011
43 tournaments, 32 tournaments with at least one Gush.dec in the T8.

So 344 T8 deck lists are available in Total and from those there were 55 (15.99%) which have at least 1 Gush main. 50 decks (14.53%) are running 4 Gush.

Those 50 decks playing 4 Gush can be divided in the following types:
 1. Spanish-Gushstorm
2. Gush-Grow
3. Gush-Oath
4. Gush-Cobra
5. Almost Blue
6. Diverse

1.   Spanish Gushstorm

23 (46%) played a Storm deck with EtW and/or Tendrils. The average place in T8 of those decks is 3.9th

8 of 23 (34.78%) played in the finals and 5 (21.74%) had won the tournament.

1.1 About the manabase:
39.13% played 15/10 (land / solomoxen & crypt, vault, petal)
13.04% played 15/07 (land / lomoxen & crypt)
08.70% played 15/07 (land / solomoxen)
08.70% played 14/07 (land / lomoxen & crypt, petal, without pearl)
04.35% played 16/08 (land / lomoxen & crypt, petal)
04.35% played 16/07 (land / lomoxen & crypt)
04.35% played 16/06 (land / solomoxen & crypt, without pearl & ruby)
04.35% played 16/06 (land / solomoxen & crypt without pearl)
04.35% played 15/09 (land / solomoxen & crypt, petal)
04.35% played 15/06 (land / solomoxen, without pearl)
04.35% played 14/08 (land / solomoxen & crypt, petal, without pearl)

I will share a generic list which is built out of the data with the most played cards:

1.2 Spanish-Gushstorm

1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal (60.87%)
1 Mana Crypt (82.60%)
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl (73.91%)
1 Mox Ruby (95.65%)
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring (69.57%)

1 Tolarian Academy (47.83%) / Library of Alexandria (30.43%)
1 Island
1 Snow-covered Island
1 Tropical Island
2 Volcanic Island
3 Underground Sea
6 Fetch

1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder (56.52%)
2 Preordain (73.91%, average's 2.2)
4 Gush

1 Timetwister (69.57%)
1 Gifts Ungiven (95.65%)
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor (60.87%, average's 0.7)

1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mystical Tutor

1 Fastbond
1 Regrowth (60.87%)
1 Time Walk
1 Yawgmoth's Will

1 Tendrils of Agony (91.30%)
1 Empty the Warrens (65.22%, average's 0.8)

4 Force of Will
3 Mana Drain (91.30%, average's 2.52)
2 Spell Pierce (43.48%, average's 1.3) / Duress (21.74%, average's 0.7)
1 Hurkyl's Recall (91.30%, average's 1.1)
1 Chain of Vapor (52.17%)
2 Repeal (65.22%, average's 1.8)
1 Fire / Ice (69.57%, average's 1.2)

1.3 Other cards that were played:

Rebuild (39.13%)
1 Mana Vault (39.13%)
Sensei's Divining Top (34.78%)
Mindbreak Trap (34.78%)
Fact or Fiction (30.43%)
Imperial Seal (21.74%)
Tinker (21.74%)
Time Vault (13.04%)
Voltaic Key (13.04%)
Echoing Truth (13.04%)
Myr Battlesphere (8.70%)
Darksteel Colossus (8.70%)
Vendilion Clique (8.70%, average's 0.2)
Thirst for Knowledge
Frantic Search
Future Sight
Misdirection
Trygon Predator
Lightning Bolt
Viashino Heretic
Mox Opal
Sphinx of the Steel Wind
Nihil Spellbomb

1.4 Conclusion

The deck looks very similar to the deck of the other comparisons. I think this is a very good list. That's the core of what Gush.dec plays and should be at least be a starter-kit to build these decks. It's a democratic gushlist. What's played the most, will get a voice. Of course there are different metae and the tournaments haven't got the same number of participants but that's allright, therefore you have those 23 cards above which didn't make the cut over 50%. Some of them are just trys I guess  but others are metacalls.

But something we can say: Tinker is not needed in this kind of build neither is TV/VK. (but you can play it if you want)
One list: http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1372&d=1 even won a 80player tournament with only 1 Tendrils main!! But hey, he played also a Heretic as a second win condition!  Wink congrats for this Mr. Langira.


2.   Grow

10 (20%) played a Grow deck with Dryad or Goyf. The average place in T8 of those decks is 4.1th
2 of 10 (20%) played in the finals and both won the tournament.

2.1 About the manabase:
70% played 14/05 (land / lomoxen, without pearl )
10% played 16/04 (land / lomoxen, without pearl & ruby )
10% played 15/05 (land / lomoxen, without pearl)
10% played 14/06 (land / lomoxen)

I will share a generic list which is built out of the data with the most played cards:

2.2 Grow-A-Dryad

Black Lotus
Mox Emerald
Mox Jet
Mox Ruby (90%)
Mox Sapphire

1 Island*
1 Volcanic Island
2 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea
7 Fetch

1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
4 Preordain (average's 3.7)
4 Gush

1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor (90%)
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mystical Tutor (90%)

1 Fastbond
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker (70%)
1 Yawgmoth's Will

4 Force of Will
1 Misdirection (60%)
4 Spell Pierce (90%, average's 3.5)
4 Thoughtseize (90%, average's 3.4)**
1 Hurkyl's Recall (70%)
1 Lightning Bolt (40%, average's 1)

4 Quirion Dryad (80%, average's 3.2)***
2 Trygon Predator (90%, average's 2.3)
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind (50%)

*  In the SB there are a second Island and a Forest
** As Duress also has an average of 0.4
*** As Tarmogoyf also has an average of 0.7

2.3 Other cards that were played:

Regrowth (30%)
Tendrils of Agony (30%)
Mana Drain (20%, average's 0.4)
Tarmogoyf (20%, 0.7)
Ancient Grudge (20%, average's 0.4)
Psychatog (20%, average's 0.3)
Nature's Claim (20%)
Duress (10%, average's 0.4)
Mox Pearl
Vendilion Clique
Berserk
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Gastly Demise
Inkwell Leviathan
Myr Battlesphere
Rebuild

2.4 Conclusion

So, that deck hasn't changed much in the last four months. Either it's  the only way to play Grow right now or hmm, no I think it's the first reason. One question which is brainstorming in my head is, if we could exclude the Trygons and maybe Bolt for 3 Null Rod. Which is very good against Metalworker, Hellkite, Karn, Trike, Top, TV/Key.
As MUD has such a good way to deal with our flying friend. And it's a lot easier to cast than Trygon. Think about it.

3.   Cobra Gush

4 (8%) played a Cobra deck with Empty and/or Tendrils. The average place in T8 of those decks is 4.8th

1 of 4 (25%) played in the finals, it hasn't won the tournament.

http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1344&d=6
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1348&d=2
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1363&d=4
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1379&d=7

4.   Gush-Oath

5 (10%) played a Oath deck Tidespout Tyrant and/or Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. The average place in T8 of those decks is 5th.

1 of 5 (20%) played in the finals, it hasn't won the tournament.

http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1370&d=7 !!(63 cards, no Yawgmoth's Will)!!
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1369&d=6
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1371&d=2
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1373&d=7
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1374&d=3

5.   Almost Blue

3 (6%) played an Almost Blue with Brainfreeze. The average place in T8 of those decks is 2.3th.

2 of 3 (66.67%) played in the finals, 1 (33.33) had won the tournament.

http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1347&d=2
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1347&d=4
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1383&d=1

6.   Diverse

5 (10%) played a deck which I don't want to put into one of the categories because they are so different. But I would also like to show them. The average place in T8 of those decks is 5.6th.

1 of 5 (20%) played in the finals, it hasn't won the tournament.

Dark Ritual / Doomsday / Gush:
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1340&d=8
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1381&d=6

Vedalken Archmage / Gush:
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1358&d=6

Dark Ritual / Dark Confidant / Mana Drain / Gush:
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1365&d=2

Painter / Gush:
http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1380&d=6

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So that's for today. Any critiques or advices are highly appreciated.

Best regards

Qube
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Man, Gush not only bounces lands, it bounces on and off the restricted list. It's like the DCI's very own superball.
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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2011, 06:41:41 am »

Awesome analysis! Looking at those grow lists, null rod could very well be included, it would make the spell pierces even more powerful.

As for the "winning gush strategy", it seems like almost blue decks have had the highest average finish, although there is not so much data on this yet. There will be more of this deck though.
Thanks for doing this analysis.
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2011, 07:35:07 am »

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One list: http://morphling.de/printview.php?c=1372&d=1 even won a 80player tournament with only 1 Tendrils main!! But hey, he played also a Heretic as a second win condition!   congrats for this Mr. Langira.

Marc placed 2nd in Darmstadt a month later with almost the same list. To increase his personal awesomeness he even removed the second win-condition and replaced it with a Nihil Spellbomb!  Smile
--> http://www.morphling.de/printview.php?c=1380&d=2
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