Top 8 Decklists - Bazaar of Moxen 5 Vintage Main Event

[CHaPuZaS]

Link to the decklists of both Vintage and Legacy, and to the Thanks! announcement of the TOs.

1st Place - TurboTezz, by Omar Rohner

Maindeck

1 Flooded Strand
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Polluted Delta
2 Scalding Tarn
1 Tolarian Academy
2 Underground Sea
5 Island
3 Grim Monolith
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
4 Force of Will
4 Tezzeret, the Seeker
1 Imperial Seal
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Tinker
1 Steel Sabotage
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Time Vault
1 Blightsteel Colossus
4 Voltaic Key
3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Hurkyl's Recall
4 Thoughtseize

Sideboard

1 Trinisphere
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Hurnkyl's Recall
2 Sower of Temptation
3 Steel Sabotage
3 Relic of Progenitus
2 Dismember
2 Mental Misstep

2nd Place - TurboTezz, by Lorenzo Fedeli

Maindeck

3 Flooded Strand
2 Scalding Tarn
1 Polluted Delta
1 Misty Rainforest
3 Island
3 Underground Sea
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
1 Grim Monolith
2 Mox Opal
3 Voltaic Key
3 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Time Vault
4 Force of Will
3 Mana Drain
2 Thoughtseize
3 Dark Confidant
4 Tezzeret the Seeker
2 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Brainstorm
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
2 Hurkyl's Recall

Sideboard

1 Hurkyl's Recall
3 Steel Sabotage
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Sower of Temptation
2 Dispel
1 Thada Adel, Acquisitor
1 Thoughtseize
1 Pithing Needle
2 Yixlid Jailer

3rd Place - Dredge, by Richard Lessmann

Maindeck

4 Leyline of the Void
4 Unmask
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Terastodon
4 Bridge from Below
2 Dread Return
2 Darkblast
2 Golgari Thug
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Narcomoeba
4 Bloodghast
2 Ichorid
4 Serum Powder
4 Bazaar of Baghdad
3 City of Brass
4 Petrified Field
4 Undiscovered Paradise

Sideboard

4 Chain of Vapor
4 Nature's Claim
2 Wispmare
1 City of Brass
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Firestorm

4th Place - MUD, by Martin Lindstrom

Maindeck

1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
4 Mishra's Workshop
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
3 City of Traitors
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Metalworker
4 Tangle Wire
4 Kuldotha Forgemaster
4 Lodestone Golem
4 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Sphere of Resistance
1 Trinisphere
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Myr Battlesphere
1 Spine of Ish Sah
2 Crucible of Worlds
1 Steel Hellkite
1 Duplicant

Sideboard

4 Leyline of the Void
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Relic of Progenitus
3 Duplicant
4 Phyrexian Metamorph

5th Place - Gush Storm, by Darío González

Maindeck

4 Misty Rainforest
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Flooded Strand
1 Polluted Delta
3 Underground Sea
3 Tropical Island
3 Island
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Imperial Seal
3 Repeal
3 Mana Drain
4 Gush
1 Mindbreak Trap
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Merchant Scroll
4 Force of Will
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Regrowth
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Tinker
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Bightsteel Colossus
1 Fastbond
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Vampiric Tutor
4 Preordain
2 Duress
1 Timetwister
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Time Walk

Sideboard

1 Dismember
2 Nature's Claim
3 Trygon Predator
1 Sower of Temptation
1 Ravenous Trap
1 Nihil Spellmomb
1 Relic of Progenitus
2 Yixlid Jailer
1 Mindbreak Trap
2 Hurkyl's Recall

6th Place - Painters, by Ivan Stanoev

Maindeck

1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
2 Mox Opal
1 Tinker
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
1 Yawgmoth's Will
4 Force of Will
4 Painter's Servant
3 Grindstone
3 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Demonic Consultation
3 Intuition
1 Vampiric Tutor
2 Goblin Welder
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Time Walk
2 Thoughtseize
1 Brainstorm
1 Ancestral Recall
3 Polluted Delta
2 Scalding Tarn
1 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
1 Badlands
1 Tropical Island
1 Great Furnace
1 Seat of the Synod
1 Tolarian Academy
2 Ancient Tomb

Sideboard

1 Viashino Heretic
3 Ancient Grudge
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Pyroblast
1 Thoughtseize
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Yixlid Jailer
1 Pithing Needle
1 Rebuild
1 Tormod's Crypt

7th Place - Gush Remora, by Rubén González

Maindeck

1 Flooded Strand
1 Misty Rainforest
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Island
2 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
1 Mox Ruby
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Blightsteel Colossus
3 Preordain
2 Mana Drain
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Mox Sapphire
4 Force of Will
3 Mystic Remora
4 Mindbreak Trap
1 Timetwister
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Mox Jet
4 Gush
1 Time Walk
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mana Crypt
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Fastbond
1 Tinker
1 Black Lotus
1 Brainstorm
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Sol Ring

Sideboard

2 Engineered Explosives
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Pyroblast
1 Pyroclasm
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Yixlid Jailer
1 Mountain
2 Viashino Heretic
2 Sower of Temptation
1 Ancient Grudge

8th Place - Dredge, by Patrick Wild

Maindeck

4 Bazaar of Baghdad
4 Serum Powder
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Narcomoeba
4 Bridge from Below
4 Bloodghast
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Undiscovered Paradise
3 Petrified Field
3 Ichorid
2 Golgari Thug
2 Dread Return
1 Flame-Kin Zealot
1 Darkblast
1 Dakmor Salvage
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Unmask

Sideboard

4 Chain of Vapor
4 Nature's Claim
4 City of Brass
2 Darkblast
1 Ancient Grudge

[TheWhiteDragon]

How in the hell did Dredge take 2 of the top 8 in such a big tourney?  Could it be that people forgot about the dredge monster, finding 7 sb slots no longer necessary - and got punished for it?  Hmm...reminds me of another thread.

[voltron00x]

It's cool to see just how far John Jones's deck has gone... and jeez, that is one aggressive build.  4 Tezz, 4 Key.  I imagine playing Dredge against that deck, without any Chalice of the Void, is pretty rough.

[CHaPuZaS]

It's cool to see just how far John Jones's deck has gone... and jeez, that is one aggressive build.  4 Tezz, 4 Key.  I imagine playing Dredge against that deck, without any Chalice of the Void, is pretty rough.

Well, we´ve been playing the deck with 4Tezz and 4 Key waaaay before that tournament.

[Liiva]

It seems the metagame was pretty prepared for MUD, when I looked around I saw workshops everywhere but only 1 managed to make top 8.
I went 5-4 with an agressive aggro MUD list, my loses were from TPS, Tezzeret, Dredge and something else I can't remember.

With the way prices are handed out to unpowered players, aren't you encouraging people to play Dredge?
My guess is the 8 prices for unpowered players all went to dredge players?

Anyways, it was a well organised event and I had a great time in both the tournaments.

PS. French people are absolutely TERRIBLE at speaking english (no offence ment)

[JACO]

It's cool to see just how far John Jones's deck has gone... and jeez, that is one aggressive build.  4 Tezz, 4 Key.  I imagine playing Dredge against that deck, without any Chalice of the Void, is pretty rough.

That is not John Jones' deck. They have been playing TurboTezz in Spain in Europe for a long time in similar builds.

[voltron00x]

Guys, come on now.  All I have to go off is Morphling.  Looking at Morphling, it's pretty clear that Turbo Tezz was not all over Spain, or Europe at large, prior to John's deck breaking here and getting coverage by multiple writers online.  John's deck specifically plays Mox Opal and Grim Monolith with a bunch of copies of Tezz and Key to accelerate.  Let's look at when that deck shows up on Morphling.

Spain:

9/25/2010
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1332
There are no Turbo Tezz decks that look like that, even pre-Opal.  4 Tezz in this entire top 8.

10/23/2010
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1346
1 Tezz in this entire top 8.

11/20/2010
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1362
3 Tezz in this entire top 8, two decks, both traditional Tezz.

1/29/2011
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1383
0 Tezz in this entire top 8.

3/12/2011
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1402
FINALLY, a Turbo Tezz deck appears in the top 8, on March 12th.  Let's check the US.

US:

10/30/2010
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1348&highlight=4#place4
John Jones top 8s Bloomsburg with Turbo Tezz

11/27/2010
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1363&highlight=5#place5
John Jones top 8s Bloomsburg with Turbo Tezz

2/5/2011
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1385
John Jones Top 8s Bloomsburg with Turbo Tezz

2/12/2011
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1398
John Jones wins Blue Bell with Turbo Tezz

2/26/2011
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1399
John Jones wins NYSE with Turbo Tezz


Ok?

Here's a few precursors to John's deck:

http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1338&highlight=Tezzeret_the_Seeker

http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1343&highlight=Tezzeret_the_Seeker

4 Keys, 3 Tezz.  So yes, the idea was out there.  I remember Beaver beat me playing 3 Tezzeret in May 2009, but certainly this deck isn't based off his just b/c it plays a lot of copies of Tezz.  And I'm not saying anyone specifically copied John or whatever.  But certainly his deck list was out there and has to be considered a model post-Mox Opal given its coverage and results.  That's all.  There was a dramatic increase worldwide in decks playing many copies of Tezz, Key, Monolith, and Opal after John went on his run.

I'm sorry if that comment offended anyone, it wasn't meant to do so.  Obviously people can come upon an idea independently. It just seems to me that even if that deck was out there, its hard to deny the surge of popularity it saw after February and certainly I would give much of the reason for that to John, even if you dispute the deck has being "his" (whatever that means).

[Kiriyuu]

It was a really great tournament, European players were a pleasure to play against, everyone was either gracious in defeat or humble in victory.

I finished 13th, played against Dredge twice, but somehow avoided workshops all day!

That TurboTezz deck does look pretty brutal, if you flounder for just a moment I can see it being very unforgiving!

[JACO]

Guys, come on now.  All I have to go off is Morphling.  Looking at Morphling, it's pretty clear that Turbo Tezz was not all over Spain, or Europe at large, prior to John's deck breaking here and getting coverage by multiple writers online.  John's deck specifically plays Mox Opal and Grim Monolith with a bunch of copies of Tezz and Key to accelerate.  Let's look at when that deck shows up on Morphling.

Matt, stop being bad at research. There are plenty of tools out there. Check this as an example:
http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/busqueda.php

What makes TurboTezz the deck it is are the trademark 3-4 copies of Tezzeret. Mox Opal is terrible in the deck, but multiple Grim Monoliths and Voltaic Keys are sweet.

[voltron00x]

Guys, come on now.  All I have to go off is Morphling.  Looking at Morphling, it's pretty clear that Turbo Tezz was not all over Spain, or Europe at large, prior to John's deck breaking here and getting coverage by multiple writers online.  John's deck specifically plays Mox Opal and Grim Monolith with a bunch of copies of Tezz and Key to accelerate.  Let's look at when that deck shows up on Morphling.

Matt, stop being bad at research. There are plenty of tools out there. Check this as an example:
http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/busqueda.php

What makes TurboTezz the deck it is are the trademark 3-4 copies of Tezzeret. Mox Opal is terrible in the deck, but multiple Grim Monoliths and Voltaic Keys are sweet.

http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/tipo.php?archetype=Tezzerator&format=Vintage

First of all, the search tools there are pretty miserable.  Second, that link doesn't show anything but a blank page.  Third, the earliest deck I can find that looks like Turbo Tezz is NEWER than the oldest two I cited, above.  Turbo Tezz decks in May and June (and even September) on that website did not play Monolith (or Opal, as it didn't exist) and shouldn't be considered the same deck.  Mox Opal is, or at least was, clearly not terrible for a certain period of time in the US.  Those lists don't start to resemble John's until after February, as near as I can tell.

But hey, whatever.  

[CHaPuZaS]

I think that it's not really fun discussing about who played a deck or who created a deck or whatever, I just said that TurboTezz existed way before John Jones Top8ing, but not being in american tournaments takes off part of its worldwide popularity (At least outside Europe).

Here is a sample Top8 of Omar Rohner (Winner of BoM vintage 5) Top8ing with Turbotezz 24/10/2010:

http://www.elsantuario.es/foro/index.php/topic,8304.0.html

Also, I remember playing and sharing with Omar Rohner TurboTezz decklists (Mostly with Thoughtcasts from my side) as soon as between November and December of 2009 and 2010 first quarter of the year.

But again, I was just saying it, not having interested in begin a discussion.

[voltron00x]

I wasn't trying to start a debate.  Personally I believe that giving John at least some credit is appropriate.  As I said, Jeremy Beaver won a blue bell in may 2009 with 3 tezz and dark rituals,  but that Turbo tezz is clearly not the same deck.  If you disagree,  that's fine. Its impossible to post on this forum without someone taking offense.  If john Jones hadn't come over and taught me to play vintage in late 2008 and loaned me cards for blue bell, I might have never played vintage. I think its cool that a deck he certainly championed for months did so well at a big tournament like bom.

FWIW neither of those top decks is exactly the same as Johns from Feb,  as one has no Opal and the other plays 6 Tezz.

Its also cool that 1st place had two mental misstep. I thought that card would see play, and there it is.

[madlucas]

You guys are funny bunny as hell...

Your friend Tezz.

[conboy31]

I have been sitting around at work (saturday is the slow day).

So, I have passed the time by calculating the non dredge decks mana cost and alternative costs for the non dredge decks (maybe a few small errors, didn't use paper or a calculator  )  I did the same for sideboards and made a few observations I found interesting.

1st -  turbo tezz  95 cmc,    63 (force, BSC via tinker)     SB - 27, 21 (mental misstep, dismember)
2nd - turbo tezz  91 cmc,    71 (force)                         SB - 26, 26
4th -  forgemaster 111 cmc,  111                                   SB - 52, 32 (LoTV, metamorth)
5th - gush storm 104 cmc,  48 ( force, trap, gush, BSC)  SB - 36, 26 (rav, dismember and mind trap)
6th - painter grind 77 cmc,    48 (force, inkwell)                SB - 23, 23
7th - remora gush 119 cmc,  52 (force, mtrap, gush, BSC)  SB - 26, 26
11th - ubg control 85 cmc,  49 (force, misstep, BSC)        SB - 42, 13 (LoTV, inkwell, mtrap)

Observations
a) Looking at the 11th place decklist (from eternal central), he has a SB robot.  What caught my eye was that he has tinker + bsc main, but no vault + key.  I wonder when is it right to have an additional robot for tinker w.out vault key VS. the strategy of boarding out the tinker and bot for 2 sb slots.  Essentially, assessing the value of the sb slot robot and tinker vs. 2 potential board cards.

b) Dismember.  This card appeared in two sbs, for a total of 3 copies.  How does dismember compare to other answers such as darkblast, go for the throat, etc.  Also, lightning bolt, though the decks that used dismember did not have red.  Of note was the prevalence of BSC and the -5/-5 providing an additional turn to the indestructible beast.

c) Tendrills / Tinker BSC Gush with no sol ring?  I have never piloted Gush (5th place list), but this surprised me.

d) 2 decks ran 4 LoTV out of the sideboard, none also had a Helm of Obedience in the SB.  When, if ever, is it correct to have a Helm in the board?  I thought the MUD list could use it because of forgemaster, but helm is an artifact which is susceptible to hate g2.  Also, what type of decks would this sb transition even be strong against?

e)  The 2nd place turbo tezz list does not run tinker or a robot of any sort.  It does have win cons in the form of tezz 1.0 5/5s, tezz 2.0 5/5s, confidant, and the leisure of vault + key combo.  

f) Running spine of ish with no Goblin Welder.  I could be mistaken, but I felt like the sentiment of Spine was that people wanted a way to abuse it versus simply running it as a single catch all (though it can be tutored and fodder w/ forgemaster).


edits for accuracy

[CHaPuZaS]

b) Dismember.  This card appeared in two sbs, for a total of 3 copies.  How does dismember compare to other answers such as darkblast, go for the throat, etc.  Also, lightning bolt, though the decks that used dismember did not have red.  Of note was the prevalence of BSC and the -2/-2 providing an additional turn to the indestructible beast.

Some of the players in my playgroup sided Dismember, and it is an incredible card. It's a colorless removal, and gets rid of most of MUD creatures, Fish, Random Aggro, Condidants and also provides some funny situations in a BSC mirror.

[conboy31]

I realized I read and thought of dismember but typed the abilities of disfigure (-2/-2 vs. -5/-5).  No non-black decks attempted to take advantage of dismember, at least as I can tell from the results.

[CHaPuZaS]

No non-black decks attempted to take advantage of dismember, at least as I can tell from the results.

The color doesn't matter, the point is that it CAN work as a colorless removal, played off your Mox Pearl or an Island vs. MUD or Fish is really important.

[conboy31]

Of course not, and I would not argue that it does.  I was simply stating that as of now, it appears, that no non black deck has used it as off color removal for 1colorless + 4 life.

[Ten-Ten]

Forgive me if I missed something but how is it that Dismember is good at all against MUD? or Shop decks for that matter?
A single sphere effect, lets say Lodestone Golem, would cost you a total of   {4life} for Dismember.
why not just play snuff out? one mana less with sphere effect out and still dodges chalice.


edit: Is the fact that it may be fit into virtually any color deck, including mono-brown, worth running this over other options?

[CHaPuZaS]

Forgive me if I missed something but how is it that Dismember is good at all against MUD? or Shop decks for that matter?
A single sphere effect, lets say Lodestone Golem, would cost you a total of   {4life} for Dismember.
why not just play snuff out? one mana less with sphere effect out and still dodges chalice.


edit: Is the fact that it may be fit into virtually any color deck, including mono-brown, worth running this over other options?

Some of the most simple examples include, but are not limited to:

- Not needing a Swamp.
- Can be played by Colorless + X colorless
- Can get rid of Dark Confidant, Dimir Cutpurse...
- Time Walk Vs. BSC.

[kalisia]

Guys, come on now.  All I have to go off is Morphling.  Looking at Morphling, it's pretty clear that Turbo Tezz was not all over Spain, or Europe at large, prior to John's deck breaking here and getting coverage by multiple writers online.  John's deck specifically plays Mox Opal and Grim Monolith with a bunch of copies of Tezz and Key to accelerate.  Let's look at when that deck shows up on Morphling.

Spain:

9/25/2010
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1332
There are no Turbo Tezz decks that look like that, even pre-Opal.  4 Tezz in this entire top 8.

10/23/2010
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1346
1 Tezz in this entire top 8.

11/20/2010
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1362
3 Tezz in this entire top 8, two decks, both traditional Tezz.

1/29/2011
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1383
0 Tezz in this entire top 8.

3/12/2011
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1402
FINALLY, a Turbo Tezz deck appears in the top 8, on March 12th.  Let's check the US.

US:

10/30/2010
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1348&highlight=4#place4
John Jones top 8s Bloomsburg with Turbo Tezz

11/27/2010
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1363&highlight=5#place5
John Jones top 8s Bloomsburg with Turbo Tezz

2/5/2011
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1385
John Jones Top 8s Bloomsburg with Turbo Tezz

2/12/2011
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1398
John Jones wins Blue Bell with Turbo Tezz

2/26/2011
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1399
John Jones wins NYSE with Turbo Tezz


Ok?

Here's a few precursors to John's deck:

http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1338&highlight=Tezzeret_the_Seeker

http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1343&highlight=Tezzeret_the_Seeker

4 Keys, 3 Tezz.  So yes, the idea was out there.  I remember Beaver beat me playing 3 Tezzeret in May 2009, but certainly this deck isn't based off his just b/c it plays a lot of copies of Tezz.  And I'm not saying anyone specifically copied John or whatever.  But certainly his deck list was out there and has to be considered a model post-Mox Opal given its coverage and results.  That's all.  There was a dramatic increase worldwide in decks playing many copies of Tezz, Key, Monolith, and Opal after John went on his run.

I'm sorry if that comment offended anyone, it wasn't meant to do so.  Obviously people can come upon an idea independently. It just seems to me that even if that deck was out there, its hard to deny the surge of popularity it saw after February and certainly I would give much of the reason for that to John, even if you dispute the deck has being "his" (whatever that means).

Just to clarify the origin of the archetype for Matt Ellias and others :

In fact I think it's really NOT CRUCIAL to know who is the inventor of the deck, but as I see, nobody knows the beginnings of this build.

The first top8 with the deck has been done by Grégoire Vienne, a Swiss player:
http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1338&highlight=Tezzeret_the_Seeker   (Same link than voltron00x)

And the real creator of the deck is another great Swiss player : Célien Berthold   (in particular Célien splitted the Vintage finals of BOM2)
Grégoire is a friend of Célien and basically he has been the first player to decide to play in tournament the deck created by Célien.
This was the first deck playing several Tezzs, Keys and Grim Monoliths.

The first version was mono-blue and quickly switched to a UB version (like the Nicolas Pujol version).


This is the real story. So Spain is not the cradle of the deck, and John Jones is not the creator of the deck but he made very good results with it, and participated to popularize the deck  

[alexandria]

THe first Turbotezz is my building in july of 2009

LCV- BERGA 1ST – TURBOTEZZ  - (CHICUELO)
      Mana (24)
10 isla
1 polluted delta
1 playa anegada
1 library of alexandria
1 academia tolariana
5 moxes
1 loto
1 petalo de loto
1 sol ring
1 cripta mana
1 cofre de mana
       No-mana(36)
4 force of will
4 mana drain
1 misdirection
1 ancestral recall
1 time walk
1 brainstorm
1 merchant scroll
1 tutora mistica
1 tinker
1 fact or fiction
1 inkwel leviatán
1 llave voltaica
1 time vault
1 explosivos diseñados
1 sed de conocimiento
3 rebuild
3 relic of progenitus
3 trompo
2 veldaken archmage
4 tezzeret the seeker

Cards are in Spanish but i'm sure you understand it. I put the name of the deck and the strategy is the same: 4 tezz to put it into play as soon as posible, no winning by cards adventage. 3 tops to draw bombs
I win this tounament at LCV and 3th position in the august tournament of the same year
You may take an explanation of the deck choices(in spanish)

http://www.elsantuario.es/foro/index.php/topic,9810.0.html

EDIT: The same entrance in the mana drain TOPS july&august, wette put a mark on the deck

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=38794.0
http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=38764.0

[kalisia]

I remember your list
Your deck is one of the first to use 4 Tezzerets, but it uses only 1 Key and no Grim Monoliths. So it's the first "4xTezz deck", but not really "Turbo" IMO

[JACO]

First of all, the search tools there are pretty miserable.  Second, that link doesn't show anything but a blank page.  Third, the earliest deck I can find that looks like Turbo Tezz is NEWER than the oldest two I cited, above.  Turbo Tezz decks in May and June (and even September) on that website did not play Monolith (or Opal, as it didn't exist) and shouldn't be considered the same deck.  Mox Opal is, or at least was, clearly not terrible for a certain period of time in the US.  Those lists don't start to resemble John's until after February, as near as I can tell.

Matt, sorry I'm an idiot. I posted a link to the results form page, rather than the search page:
http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/search.php

In the Deck Name type in Turbo and the Format use the drop down and select Vintage (then click search), and you get a nice selection of Tezz decks which have 3-4 Tezzerets. The trademark for a TurboTezz deck is not X Voltaic Key, X Grim Monolith, X Dark Ritual, but a shitload of Tezzerets to try to get into play ASAP. I definitely like more Voltaic Keys and Grim Monoliths in a Workshop driven metagame, or more Rituals in a Storm/fast metagame (giving you the Tendrils or Empty route as well if you chose to go that direction). But the main concept is the same, to essentially pump out a one card win condition in Tezzeret as soon as possible.

[kalisia]

The trademark for a TurboTezz deck is not X Voltaic Key, X Grim Monolith, X Dark Ritual, but a shitload of Tezzerets to try to get into play ASAP.

Ah? And from what dictionnary or book did you find this "trademark"? This is just your point of view. The point of view of the majority is that you can call a deck "turbo" when it plays mana acceleration which fits in the build and which have synergy with it.

But the main concept is the same, to essentially pump out a one card win condition in Tezzeret as soon as possible.

No, the concept is completely different. The kill is the same, but not the concept. Tezzeret is not a concept by itself, it's a card. The synergies buit around make the concept.
To play Tezzeret on turn 4, even if you have 4 Tezzeret on your list, it's not what I call "Turbo". Grim Monoliths allow to play regularly Tezz on turn 2, which fits better with the word "Turbo".

The concept of Turbo-Tezz involded a new draw engine which was almost not used before : Key + Sensei.
The addition of Grim Monolith created new synergies : high mana production with the Keys, be able to play Tezzeret very quickly, be able to hardacst Robots.
 

[CHaPuZaS]

I can't believe that the "Who created the decklist" thing is enabling a discussion like this. Do people know how HARD is to tell who invented anything?

As I told before, I've been creating decklists with Tezzeret and Vault since the day that Vault come back to life. In fact, the first day that Vault was allowed with it's new text I played a deck named Voltaic Painters (Playing the Key Vault and PainterStone combo), a few days before, I designed a deck that came out being Tezzcast...

The concept of Turbo-Tezz involded a new draw engine which was almost not used before : Key + Sensei.

Which provided me 3 Top8 out of each 4 or 5 tournaments because it abused of Thoughtcasts, Thirst for Knowledge and Key+Top... An unstopable draw engine. I designed an enormous amount of lists playing Tezz, as soon as Monolith was allowed, I included and even played with some, and still decided to play traditional Tezzcast, for being better in a high blue metagame. Opal was added before, the same day it came out.

I've seen some TurboTezz decklists before, the first played by a japanese individual or Nikofromtokyo, I don't remember. And I felt curious about a deck 99% similiar to mine Top8ing. If I've done that, Can any os us imagine how much people in the world could have done it? It's hard to tell who the original designer was, who Top8ed first with the deck or who was really the first inventor of it in the world, as there are hardly any REAL proof of that.

OK. I'm done, as a lot of people will want to be right about this, for me, it's over. I don't want to discuss about this anymore-

[Ten-Ten]

Forgive me if I missed something but how is it that Dismember is good at all against MUD? or Shop decks for that matter?
A single sphere effect, lets say Lodestone Golem, would cost you a total of   {4life} for Dismember.
why not just play snuff out? one mana less with sphere effect out and still dodges chalice.


edit: Is the fact that it may be fit into virtually any color deck, including mono-brown, worth running this over other options?

Some of the most simple examples include, but are not limited to:

- Not needing a Swamp.
- Can be played by Colorless + X colorless
- Can get rid of Dark Confidant, Dimir Cutpurse...
- Time Walk Vs. BSC.

Oh, yeah totally overlooked BSC. 
Also, thank you for posting the BOM5 Top 8

[alexandria]

The trademark for a TurboTezz deck is not X Voltaic Key, X Grim Monolith, X Dark Ritual, but a shitload of Tezzerets to try to get into play ASAP.

Ah? And from what dictionnary or book did you find this "trademark"? This is just your point of view. The point of view of the majority is that you can call a deck "turbo" when it plays mana acceleration which fits in the build and which have synergy with it.

But the main concept is the same, to essentially pump out a one card win condition in Tezzeret as soon as possible.

No, the concept is completely different. The kill is the same, but not the concept. Tezzeret is not a concept by itself, it's a card. The synergies buit around make the concept.
To play Tezzeret on turn 4, even if you have 4 Tezzeret on your list, it's not what I call "Turbo". Grim Monoliths allow to play regularly Tezz on turn 2, which fits better with the word "Turbo".

The concept of Turbo-Tezz involded a new draw engine which was almost not used before : Key + Sensei.
The addition of Grim Monolith created new synergies : high mana production with the Keys, be able to play Tezzeret very quickly, be able to hardacst Robots.
 

Concept is the same, please. Until my building, tezz builds runs 1 o 2, with 1 tops, and win the games by take control of it, tezzeret was a finisher.
Turbotezz wins by putting in play tezzeret as soon as posible and with 3 tops as bomb hunter. I create it because no good draw engines was allowed in summer 2009(brainstorm ko, thirst ko)With 4 monoliths you may accelerate the process(push second turbo button), but you are weaker to hate(null rod in first position), with Drains the deck was more stable. I put "TurboTezz" name to this deck, repeat, in summer of 2009 because i though that it describes well the strategy of the deck. Surelly that "turbo" button get better with the past of time. The first "supergroo" has 40 diferents cards of the actual build, but strategy is the same
bye

[Joblin Velder]

Thanks for posting the results. The dredge decks are really interesting.

[doggue]

Thanks for posting. I wonder whats the exact SB-plan of the winnerdeck. Seems interesting. I'd like to know what he sided in and out against the certain decks. Any ideas or experience?