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 Another ala Relic-Warder white bear. I like it, seems costly for 3 mana, but I still like it. In the light of the clones I have been using these past months it seems dangerous. Casting this and responding to the trigger with Image with Vial@2 exiling Hunter and then letting the trigger resolve. Yea I can see a white based aggro control with a splash of blue work with Relics, Hunters and Clones. Also this ability can cause a loop with Phantasmal Images. Not good enough to build a deck around, but interesting synergy too keep an eye on. |
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Wagner
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2011, 03:32:39 am » |
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So... this is a white Faceless Butcher with high color comitment and no clock at all. Seems more than rubbish. If you want a creature exiled, white has a lot of better cheaper and fast solutions. I don't think a tiny body is much help.
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Guli
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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2011, 08:36:33 am » |
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So... this is a white Faceless Butcher with high color comitment and no clock at all. Seems more than rubbish. If you want a creature exiled, white has a lot of better cheaper and fast solutions. I don't think a tiny body is much help.
Still it is an unique comes into play ability for white. The effect could be valuable enough to compensate for the 1/3 body. |
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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2011, 09:15:03 am » |
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Casting this and responding to the trigger with Image with Vial@2 exiling Hunter and then letting the trigger resolve. Oh man. Three card combo that yields Swords to Plowshares! Broken!!! |
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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2011, 09:25:16 am » |
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I would not dismiss this card so easily, that is all I am saying.
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2011, 09:59:31 am » |
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Having WW in the casting cost and a CC of 3 puts this on the verge of laughable. You can get an exile effect for one W with Swords to Plowshare, Path to Exile, etc.... It also doesn't trade with Lodestone Golem, Slash Panther, Wurmcouil Engine, or Precursor Golem and no inexperienced Blue Mage is going to tinker up a bot unprotected against a fish player unless its Inkwell Leviathan.
On the Demarsian scale from 1 to 10 I would put this as unplayable.
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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2011, 10:47:04 am » |
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Astral Slide. That is all.
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« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2011, 10:56:44 am » |
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I do not foresee this being vintage playable. I'm trying to think what would have to happen to make this guy vintage playable and I don't think any of them are realistically going to happen. So far I haven't seen any new cards from Innistrad that have any real vintage potential. But I guess we still have about 200 cards yet to be revealed.
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« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2011, 02:34:19 pm » |
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At three mana, you need a much better card than this. For two mana, I could see it. But at three mana, with only a single power, he's more expensive than many competing hatebears, and doesn't punch as hard either. He might see Legacy play, and quite possibly Standard play. But he's not Vintage playable. I'd much rather have a Relic Warder.
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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2011, 03:08:15 pm » |
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For the same CC, I think Mangara is still a lot better. You can get it out before the treat is there, you can remove whatever you want from the game, and you get Karakas shenanigans.
The new guy has to sit in your hand doing nothing until the big guy is cast. Not like you would want to cats him before anyway with 1 power.
Worthless.
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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2011, 01:10:37 am » |
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Then again Mangara has to wait a turn to snipe Goblin Welder and that might be too late.
I strongly disagree using the '2 power' criteria on every bear. Sometimes the tempo lies in the immediate effect. It is at 3cc. This means you have played down other bears and you want to beat down. This guys comes in, gets rid of any dangerous dudes or blockers and enables you a clean swing. When cards like this do nothing, it usually means they have no creatures and this is not a bad situation to be in.
This is the first ETB STP effect for a white bear.
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2011, 02:53:29 am » |
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Bears cost 2, not 3, which is the huge problem with this card. It's not a bear, it's an Ogre. Yes Mangara is "slower", but you can also cast him before when the treat is not there yet and put pressure or force different lines of play.
Keeping a bad 3 mana dork in your hand all game for an eventual tinker sounds really bad. Especially since the creature just comes back if your dude leaves play, that's a big problem.
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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2011, 05:12:29 am » |
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This is the first ETB STP effect for a white bear.
Sure, true, but being the first does not make it playable. Even as a 2/2, I think it would have been pretty bad for this mana cost and this ability. So as a 1/3... |
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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2011, 01:22:57 pm » |
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This is the first ETB STP effect for a white bear. Yeah, but Oblivion Ring is still better in almost every way. Easier to cast, hits non-creatures, harder to remove... |
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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2011, 02:19:30 pm » |
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What's the deal with people loosely throwing Magic slang around?
A bear is a 2/2 with a CMC of 2 - so named for the old 1G 2/2 'Grizzly Bears'. It follows then that a proper 'hatebear' is a bear with an ability that attempts to confound an opponent's strategy (you know, 'hates' on it).
It isn't just bears, people are doing this with lots of stuff. If one more person thinks it's okay to call the lands in Innistrad "enemy dual-lands" then I will come to their house and kill their pets with their favorite household appliance and force them to eat both the leftover animal and the implement of its destruction.
As for the relevant card, I think it's going to be good in more than a few formats but I don't think any of those are Vintage. Really he follows a thematic concept with guys like Faceless Butcher and Leonin Relic-Warder. I like the idea of more White dudes that also double as removal spells, since their weenies are somehow supposed to be a cut above everyone else's. In fact I'm really happy to see guys like this since the usual junk of giving White weenies combat relevant abilities tends to fail in the face of "well, your guys are tricky little hobbits and all, but I got this Emrakul/Progenitus thing over here that just makes me win, so...g2?"
It's a little over the curve, but I think if they continue to print things of a similar nature then the curve won't matter as much since you can effectively counter their resources with dudes. But not in Vintage, probably not.
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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2011, 03:02:26 pm » |
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I was really hoping they would make a 2/2 for WW or 1W with this ability, and make it a Leonin, so I could play my 12 Leonin mono white deck. this card makes me sad.
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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2011, 02:59:02 am » |
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I was really hoping they would make a 2/2 for WW or 1W with this ability, and make it a Leonin, so I could play my 12 Leonin mono white deck. this card makes me sad.
Or a 3/1 for  with the same ability. Mono white weenie  |
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