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« on: March 07, 2012, 11:36:07 pm » |
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So I'm playing Slayn001 on Cockatrice, he's on Dragon. He resolves an animate with dragon & bazaar. I ask him to show a win condition and he says he'd rather play it out. I say ok and we're off for a vivid 15min of fapping on Cockatrice. He eventually hits Oona and the appropriate amount of mana and I agree to move on to Game 2.
He doesn't want to. He's upset by the proceedings and boots me from the game. Not only this, but the other guy watching the game chats me to inform me how rude I was.
Does everyone else get this? For me i usually don't concede until I'm beaten: I see a win condition. It's one thing if it's a timed match and there's something on the line. In cockatrice, though, I really don't get it. Why be stubborn?
If you're a purist, fine. You can play how you want, and I didn't give him any attitude, I just let him play it out. But then he gets snippy and doesn't want to play game 2?
(1) Am I missing something, am I the one who's being obtuse?
(2) Is there some thing on Cockatrice that I haven't learned yet?
(3) Do others think it's asking too much to flash a win con?
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Meddling Mike
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2012, 12:02:52 am » |
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Assuming this all went down as described it seems like he's throwing a hissy fit over nothing. I can understand wanting to play it out sometimes in a test game sometimes. Maybe you want to practice how the kill actually occurs or how to perform the kill with the least exposure to risk, but of you allowed him to actually go through the motions on his end then I don't see what the issue is. Perhaps he'll post and talk about what was grinding his gears on this.
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2012, 12:19:05 am » |
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To me, if it's serious testing and a game 2 is in order, it's just natural that you know how he wins, otherwise you're disadvantaged on the following games.
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2012, 12:20:49 am » |
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2012, 01:01:21 am » |
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I generally choose not to play with him.
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2012, 02:02:20 am » |
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Slayn001 scores low on the emotional control meter.
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2012, 03:01:34 am » |
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He was wasting both of your time.
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2012, 03:47:52 am » |
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I wouldn't get too worked up with opponents on the internets. Just cherish the good ones.
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2012, 11:23:19 am » |
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It's the Internet. People have all sorts of wrong ideas or just like to be jerks. One thing I've been getting is people who refuse to pick up BSC when hurkyl's recall happens, because "it doesn't say artifact creatures". Then they boot me. Wrong ideas, jerks, who knows!
I also get a TON of rage quit without getting to play g2. Just yesterday I out played some dude cuz I knew he forgot about factor #3 pumping an attacker and he made a bad block at low life. Then talked major shit about how he wins anyways and tutors for will with the most insane bin, and literally 15 mana. It resolves, he tries to replay lotus, I point out the cage.
He calls me a fag and leaves game. A real shame, it was the closest game I've played in a while.
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2012, 12:05:54 pm » |
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Yeah, that's weird.
For my part, I just about never offer the handshake. I guess there's been a few times playing Spring Tide where people across from me just scoop, which is kinda nice, but if it were me I always always make people kill me. I don't care if it's a Hide Tide loop or a Doomsday pile or a 20/20 with haste, hexproof and shadow - you turn that motherfucker sideways and hit me for all 20.
While it's not the same at all, when the winner of a match presumes his win and gets mad at me for examining the game state, *that's* fucking frustrating. Look, I'm not a computational wizard like a lot of Magic players seem to be. I hate doing the "I know you know I know" dance, and I like to think about most of my plays before I just commit.
I guess what I'm saying is, I get how someone would be upset about not playing it out - although in your situation, you're trying to concede and the dude is just not having it, which is weird. To be fair, he could have comboed out wrong and you could have won somehow. I guess. Too bad he didn't stick around longer. vOv
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2012, 12:33:41 pm » |
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I have recently just cold turkey quit playing online. I really just can't take it anymore -- people can be really, really petty and rude over the internet when magic is involved. Even some very high performing, older players whom I know or know of in real life can be extremely immature when it comes to losing.
It's a game of VARIANCE, people. Sometimes you draw the cards, sometimes you don't; sometimes your opponent draws them, sometimes he doesn't. That's the game, entirely. The object is to reduce variance in deckbuilding, and take advantage of swings of variance one way or the other in playing. Oh and also it's a GAME.
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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2012, 01:00:44 pm » |
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The object is to reduce variance in deckbuilding, and take advantage of swings of variance one way or the other in playing. Or greatly increase it such that the game becomes a coin flip and pray to flip heads all night. |
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2012, 01:05:01 pm » |
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I like to live the dream the much as the next guy so I may be a little bummed if the opp scoops before I do something epic (kicked rite of replication on the stack, etc.) But you are allowed to scoop whenever you want so this guy was being a total doucher.
Plus whats so fun about sitting through a dragon loop. Thats something he does EVERY GAME. I would think he would be glad to have an opp scoop so he doesn't waste his own time.
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2012, 01:35:36 pm » |
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Plus whats so fun about sitting through a dragon loop. Thats something he does EVERY GAME. I would think he would be glad to have an opp scoop so he doesn't waste his own time.
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2012, 02:16:46 pm » |
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It seems unlikely that he would have no win conditions. That being said, there is nothing you can do if slayn001 wants to perform his end of the combo, however scooping so they do not see the content of your deck is deffinitly within your rights.
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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2012, 02:22:05 pm » |
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I'm not sure where all the confusion in this thread is coming from. The rules of the game specifically provide that a player is allowed to concede at any time. GI could have conceded when the Dragon loop started, but he wasn't required to. The rules allowed GI to concede once Oona reached play.
There's nothing in the rules of the game that allows one player to insist on continuing to play after the other has conceded.
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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2012, 02:28:55 pm » |
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There's an important point in this, but I'm concerned that we're leaving that point and turning this into a conversation about one player. I don't want this to start a flame war, so I'm locking this thread. If someone wants to start a thread about general etiquette, without mentioning any player by name, and referring to more than one instance, please feel free to do so.
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