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http://www.mtgcast.com/mtgcast-podcast-shows/active-podcast-shows/so-many-insane-plays/so-many-insane-plays-16-vintage-championshipBlurb: Kevin Cron and Steve Menendian, with special guests Paul Mastriano and Brian Demars, discuss the Vintage Championship from GenCon 2012. We cover our team痴 preparation, decks and results; analyze the Top 8 decks; discuss some scenarios during the Top 8; and interview the new Champion, Marc Lanigra. Your Host(s): Kevin Cron , Steve Menendian Show痴 Email: SoManyInsanePlaysPodcast@gmail.comShow痴 Twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/ManyInsanePlays Kevin interviewed the new Vintage Champ, Marc Lanigra! I haven't even listened to that segment yet! Paul, Brian, Kevin and I break down the top 8. It was really cool, and I hope it turned out as well as we thought! You can download this on Itunes or listen over a smart TV, Ipod or smart phone!
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2012, 04:11:06 am » |
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Really an awesome job Steve and Kevin (as always). SMIP goes to the next level with group comments and pretty insightful advices. Very dinamic and entertaining. Lots of interesting stuff and points of view like current state of Vintage, tips to metagaming properly, answers vs threads analysis, decklist evaluation, and much more. If you like Vintage you are gonna love it!  |
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2012, 08:01:00 am » |
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Can't wait to listen to this one!
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2012, 09:02:50 am » |
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Excellent, thank you so much Once again, I must request: more podcasts! They're the best. Thanks again. |
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2012, 01:01:50 pm » |
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I am interested to see how gouthro sideboarded against shops. There is no way it is correct to leave salvagers in the deck especially with the bobs and access to vault key. I am suprised that didnt come up in your analysis of the situation.
I think the biggest reason to name key/vault is because it is one of the few ways the blue deck can win that cannot be answered by the shop deck.
Overall it was a pretty good podcast.
Just to note:serrated arrows does noy stick around when it runs out of counters.
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2012, 01:40:24 pm » |
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Just to note:serrated arrows does noy stick around when it runs out of counters.
I was pretty sure that it did. I checked the Oracle text on SCG, and found this: Serrated Arrows enters the battlefield with three arrowhead counters on it.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if there are no arrowhead counters on Serrated Arrows, sacrifice it.
Tap, Remove an arrowhead counter from Serrated Arrows: Put a -1/-1 counter on target creature.
http://sales.starcitygames.com/cardsearch.php?game_type=1&singlesearch=Serrated+ArrowsAm I missing something here? |
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2012, 01:53:08 pm » |
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Just to note:serrated arrows does noy stick around when it runs out of counters.
I was pretty sure that it did. I checked the Oracle text on SCG, and found this: Serrated Arrows enters the battlefield with three arrowhead counters on it.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if there are no arrowhead counters on Serrated Arrows, sacrifice it.
Tap, Remove an arrowhead counter from Serrated Arrows: Put a -1/-1 counter on target creature.
http://sales.starcitygames.com/cardsearch.php?game_type=1&singlesearch=Serrated+ArrowsAm I missing something here? Right, it doesnt stick around forever so you can sack it to smokestack a couple turns down the road. The fact that it dies on its own does make it better with buried ruins.  |
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2012, 01:57:45 pm » |
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Just to note:serrated arrows does noy stick around when it runs out of counters.
I was pretty sure that it did. I checked the Oracle text on SCG, and found this: Serrated Arrows enters the battlefield with three arrowhead counters on it.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if there are no arrowhead counters on Serrated Arrows, sacrifice it.
Tap, Remove an arrowhead counter from Serrated Arrows: Put a -1/-1 counter on target creature.
http://sales.starcitygames.com/cardsearch.php?game_type=1&singlesearch=Serrated+ArrowsAm I missing something here? Right, it doesnt stick around forever so you can sack it to smokestack a couple turns down the road. The fact that it dies on its own does make it better with buried ruins. Alright. I knew that much, and was only concerned about being able to sacrifice it to a ramped Smokestack. In that instance you've probably gotten incredible value out of it by that point, and it's meeting an excellent end. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2012, 04:27:05 pm » |
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Really an awesome job Steve and Kevin (as always). SMIP goes to the next level with group comments and pretty insightful advices. Very dinamic and entertaining. Lots of interesting stuff and points of view like current state of Vintage, tips to metagaming properly, answers vs threads analysis, decklist evaluation, and much more. If you like Vintage you are gonna love it! Thanks! Spread the word! Tell your friends about it! |
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2012, 12:40:46 am » |
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Great podcast as always! I really enjoyed this one.
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I put my Wastelands and Force of Wills in a pitcher and tried to pour them in a cup...... I really didn't see any type of liquidity.
Clearly we need to restrict Lodestone Golem, as he's oppressing the field.
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2012, 02:19:54 pm » |
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Steve, Kevin, Paul, Brian, I enjoyed the podcast.
In case you're interested, Expedition Map has only ever been played in MUD Marinara. It's great at fetching colored mana for Welders, Strip Mine to go with Crucible, and some utility belt answers in the form of lands from the sideboard.
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2012, 10:20:17 pm » |
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Awesome podcast! though the first time I tried listening to it I fell asleep during all the talk about Shops  I went back and listened to the whole 'cast..good stuff guys. I really enjoyed the interview with Marc at the end. Great points made from meta-gaming to proxy tournies in the US. Thanks again  |
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Colossians 2:2,3
That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, both of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2012, 05:34:23 pm » |
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Steve,
Could ist be that you missed a Point about darkblast for game 2?
You can keep a Hand without bazaar but with your Rainbow land for whispmare, Chan of vapor etc., remove an Opponents Bob/jailer/delver/lavamancer and still start dredging in your Second drawstep like you would with bazaar.
You can basically mulligan for your rainbow lands instead of your Bazaar.
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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2012, 08:15:09 pm » |
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As an aside, Brian Demars is Grand Prix Boston Champion!!!!
Listen to our inteview with him now!
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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2012, 10:15:25 pm » |
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Well done Brian. My only problem with the coverage was they kept calling you a Legacy specialist when your main article series is Vintage Avant-Garde. Am I missing something somewhere? Pretty sweet looking deck though
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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2012, 02:54:03 pm » |
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Also, something that I thought should be mentioned:
Top Eight Decklists:
1st - Mike Egan
Red Deck Wins (UBW Bomberman)
4 Dark Confidant
3 Trinket Mage
2 Auriok Salvagers
2 Snapcaster Mage
4 Force of Will
3 Mana Drain
2 Flusterstorm
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Mental Misstep
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Spell Snare
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Time Vault
1 Time Walk
1 Voltaic Key
1 Yawgmoth's Will
4 Flooded Strand
3 Island
3 Tundra
2 Cavern of Souls
2 Underground Sea
1 Black Lotus
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Polluted Delta
1 Sol Ring
1 Tolarian Academy
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3 Yixlid Jailer
2 Energy Flux
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Flusterstorm
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Pithing Needle
1 Plains
1 Steel Sabotage
1 Tormod's Crypt
I could be crazy, but I believe Gouthro was on something like 71 or 72 of this list. Mike Egan (Cruel Ultimatum) put together this list a few months ago and has been tearing up the local scene with it. He's really advanced quite a bit as a player/theorist in the last few years and is a regular in top eights in the NY/NJ/PA area. If he makes the trip out to GenCon next year, watch out. He's a real threat to win the event, as are many of the NY/NJ/PA players. |
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2012, 10:59:25 pm » |
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Great podcast. I really enjoyed the interview with Mark. I found his statements about Dredge really interesting regarding how he claims that its prominence is stifling diversity in other parts of the metagame. It's a little discerning to hear that he looked around and saw everyone, right and left, playing the deck, including his opponent. Perhaps a result of a non-proxy tournament in a country with little real power left.
Also, I was curious to know how well Library of Alexandria performed for the two Blue decks in the top 8. Is 4 Bob and 2 Jace enough to keep your hand size high enough that Library's ability offsets it's drawback of colorless mana? I was surprised and, for nostalgic reasons, happy to see that card in their deck lists.
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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2012, 12:22:40 am » |
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I can't really speak for the other player, but in my deck the library won me at least one game alone where it was in my opener against my first blue opponent in game 3. Sadly I cannot recall my second blue matchup, so I don't know it played a role there. But it really helped me out vs at least one dredge deck as well, where I drew it in my opener too. I think it is more of a leftover from the European scene - there we have so many blue decks that I think I always played with library except when I was playing gush... it increases your percentage against blue decks significantly without hurting you against shops (another land) and dredge (any card that does something is valueable).
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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2012, 06:38:08 pm » |
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Thanks for the response Marc, oh and you need to edit your profile to say, "2012 Vintage World Champion." You earned it.
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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2012, 12:28:06 am » |
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I was just now able to finish the podcast. It was a great show, and Kevin, that was a excellent interview with Mark. I would like to hear more of those lengthy, in depth conversations with respected players that may have a different perspective on deck building and in game play. Mark's perspective and analysis of a metagame outside of his was especially thoughtful and entertaining.
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