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« on: January 17, 2016, 01:24:13 pm »

I've never played the format before, and was wondering how much interest there would be if we ran a month long league on MTGO.  If we have at least 8, I could put something together fairly easily.
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2016, 01:28:09 pm »

Tricky to rewind rules clock to 94 and allow chaos orb sadly.
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2016, 06:27:15 pm »

True...  How about '03/'04?
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2016, 07:02:35 pm »

True...  How about '03/'04?

Pre modern?  Is this a format?
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2016, 10:14:14 pm »

It would be fun to play (93/94) as I've played it in paper before, but unfortunately MODO would make chaos orb unusable Sad
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2016, 11:29:45 pm »

then you don't play chaos orb, it's not that difficult
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2016, 11:47:38 pm »

Is there a feature on MODO to turn damage on the stack on?  Both 93/94 and 03/04 won't technically work correctly.
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2016, 11:58:07 pm »

I very much doubt MTGO is able to switch rule sets on the fly.

I would be interested in the format if it were possible to play it properly online. Since Chaos Orb doesn't even exist online, much less would be possible to use, I don't see a way to play without just pretending the card doesn't exist.
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2016, 01:12:04 am »

All of this is possible on Cockatrice, you would just need a rule for chaos orb (like it destroys 1 permanent or something).  I'd be interested in this case for either 93/94 and/or 03/04.
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2016, 01:51:20 am »

While i am a strong advicate of old school formats, playing them online misses a huge part of the experience.
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2016, 11:33:02 am »

Is the full oldschool catalog even available online? Chaos Orb aside I feel like there would be a bunch of stuff missing, maybe not all of it important, but still. Also worth considering, of the cards that are, which of them are printed with the proper art?
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2016, 12:16:24 pm »

Yeah, most of the old school art is available
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2016, 03:35:22 pm »

Yeah, most of the old school art is available

Even if they're not, you can always do an art swap!
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2016, 04:25:02 pm »

Yeah, most of the old school art is available

Even if they're not, you can always do an art swap!

Ah ok, was not aware of this...I basically just use Magic Online for the vintage cube. I was thinking about getting more into it to play more vintage, but theres been a pretty good uptick in events in the Northeast so in the end I decided to just stick with paper. Vintage dredge costs almost $500 right now, and for that price I could just buy all the paper cards for Dredge and proxy 4 Bazaars and call it a day. The other decks are like twice that price, and I can already play them in paper.

I'd love to see more oldschool events, I think its a great format both for those of us who grew up playing those types of games, and for new players as well. Part of my issue with doing them online though is that you miss out on seeing some truly beautiful decks.
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2016, 06:17:56 pm »

Yeah, most of the old school art is available

Even if they're not, you can always do an art swap!

The art swap only works for cards where the original art is already available in some for online.  It doesn't work for Mana Short, Hurkyl's Recall, and I think a few other cards.


Is the full oldschool catalog even available online? Chaos Orb aside I feel like there would be a bunch of stuff missing, maybe not all of it important, but still. Also worth considering, of the cards that are, which of them are printed with the proper art?
It's not.  Chaos Orb is the most obvious example, but there's a few other oddball cards like King Suleiman that are also unavailable and see play in the format.
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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2016, 06:23:16 pm »

Yeah, most of the old school art is available

Even if they're not, you can always do an art swap!

The art swap only works for cards where the original art is already available in some for online.  It doesn't work for Mana Short, Hurkyl's Recall, and I think a few other cards.



Is the full oldschool catalog even available online? Chaos Orb aside I feel like there would be a bunch of stuff missing, maybe not all of it important, but still. Also worth considering, of the cards that are, which of them are printed with the proper art?
It's not.  Chaos Orb is the most obvious example, but there's a few other oddball cards like King Suleiman that are also unavailable and see play in the format.


The art swap brings in the original art for every card in VMA, unfortunately WotC sent a cease and desist order to Marcel or brainstorm brewery asking him to take it down. Unless you find the files somewhere else you're out of luck. But my power has the original art, albeit in new ugly frames.


You can't do anything about the cards that didn't get printed online, but the best approximation would be to have a format online that only allowed cards from the three masters editions and vintage masters. It isn't the same, but you could still have some cool.decks.
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2016, 05:16:41 pm »

Yeah, most of the old school art is available

Even if they're not, you can always do an art swap!

The art swap only works for cards where the original art is already available in some for online.  It doesn't work for Mana Short, Hurkyl's Recall, and I think a few other cards.

All the art swap program does is find the new version of the art and replace it with the old version. If there isn't an old version and you've got time on your hands, you can still go find the new version, then download and crop the old version and overwrite the new version.
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2016, 07:15:45 am »

I have to agree with Steve here ... when playing 93/94 online you'll just miss a lot of what the format is for. It is about having 20 year old cardboard in your hands, feeling really really oldschool .... you probably won't get these out of playing on MoDo or Cockatrice. You might find it dull or less appealing Wink
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2016, 09:23:57 am »

I have to agree with Steve here ... when playing 93/94 online you'll just miss a lot of what the format is for. It is about having 20 year old cardboard in your hands, feeling really really oldschool .... you probably won't get these out of playing on MoDo or Cockatrice. You might find it dull or less appealing Wink

Very true. I love looking at a grip full of 20+ year old cards and wondering just how many opponents this Erhnam has killed, how many lands the 'Geddon has blown up, how many creatures have fallen to this Plow...I love that oldschool exists because these cards are gorgeous, and I think its great to have a format where they can be on full display and back doing what they were printed to do!

Obviously none of these aspects are available in an online format.
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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2016, 09:41:42 am »

It depends on what you are getting out of the format.  Some people don't necessarily care about holding old cardboard.  Some people just enjoy a simpler game of magic where the creatures aren't over powered.
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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2016, 09:58:37 am »

It depends on what you are getting out of the format.  Some people don't necessarily care about holding old cardboard.  Some people just enjoy a simpler game of magic where the creatures aren't over powered.

I love this format.  It's very swingy, but this can be a fun thing too (last minute comebacks).  I think for me the thing I enjoy most is that there isn't a lot of spell durdling (fetches, cantrips, tutoring), the absence of Force of Will, and if you are going to die, you see it coming, but you have a chance to break it.  It's not a perman-lock with Stax, or a 10 token army.  It's a Serra Angel coming across for four a turn.  Do you have the STP?  The Wrath?  The control magic?

And shockingly enough, it's not a format that can be figured out....and you can even throw in a pet card or two and it won't totally wreck your deck.   

I wish it were more common.  Great format.  Simple, relaxing, and satisfying with a variety of decks and the games can be super quick, or an epic battle.  Of course the occasional Black Vise with triple Strip Mine happens, but more often than not a busted opening can be counter-acted.   
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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2016, 11:52:44 am »

I would love to play it online. I do try to play it on paper too but I wouldn't say no to more games of this format!
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« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2016, 12:27:06 pm »

I would be stoked to see this on MTGO. I love this format as it lets me jam one of my favorite cards "Juzam Djinn". I'm actually currently trying to make a deck in paper just for the fun of it but it's fairly extensive tracking down all those beautiful cards.
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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2016, 02:16:35 pm »

I would be stoked to see this on MTGO. I love this format as it lets me jam one of my favorite cards "Juzam Djinn". I'm actually currently trying to make a deck in paper just for the fun of it but it's fairly extensive tracking down all those beautiful cards.

Its getting harder to find the staples, at reasonable prices anyways. Lots of stuff has doubled, tripled, sometimes more, since the oldschool tourney at champs. The stuff that hasn't jumped has become harder to find in general. I'm personally racing to get as much stuff as I can, as fast as I can.
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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2016, 06:30:40 pm »

I'm interested in playing in paper old school at some point, but with no local community and no experience of the gameplay it's a pretty hefty cost for playing a couple times a year, especially when there are such disparate standards for allowed cards.

While I'm sure old school purists vehemently disagree, this seems like a decent way to get my toes wet and see if I like it, so I went ahead and put together a couple decks on MTGO since most cards are pretty reasonably priced. My MTGO username is "benbw" if anyone would like to play some games.
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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2016, 10:06:47 pm »

I am interested in this. I picked up cards for a few decks. As far as I can tell Chaos Orb and (functional) Mirror Universe are the big omissions from modo. Anything else?
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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2016, 03:38:04 am »

I love he idea of playing 2002 magic on mtgo.
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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2016, 05:10:21 am »

I am interested in this. I picked up cards for a few decks. As far as I can tell Chaos Orb and (functional) Mirror Universe are the big omissions from modo. Anything else?

I have mostly finished constructing my Old School deck from the 2015 EW event. We could play a few games when we're on at the same time. I am just missing a few cards but shouldn't take long!
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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2016, 10:16:29 am »

I would be stoked to see this on MTGO. I love this format as it lets me jam one of my favorite cards "Juzam Djinn". I'm actually currently trying to make a deck in paper just for the fun of it but it's fairly extensive tracking down all those beautiful cards.

Its getting harder to find the staples, at reasonable prices anyways. Lots of stuff has doubled, tripled, sometimes more, since the oldschool tourney at champs. The stuff that hasn't jumped has become harder to find in general. I'm personally racing to get as much stuff as I can, as fast as I can.

It really is. There's been a lot of times where I've had to just skip out on deals entirely because the paper prices are getting so expensive. As it turns out paying rent and bills is a smart thing to do!  Very Happy
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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2016, 03:57:26 pm »

I originally voted no, but I would now vote 'yes'. 
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