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1  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Premium Article] Meandeck Gifts on: July 13, 2005, 02:48:36 pm
If welders are giving you a problem, you have echoing truth maindeck...
2  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Belcherless Gifts Belcher: Analysis and a SCGP9 Rochester report (2nd) on: June 20, 2005, 06:17:21 pm
If you think you discard to thirst too often (as seems to be the problem in non-slaver decks using it as a draw spell), I've always simply fit in 2 deep analysis, and put a scrying in the sideboard as a wish target. Also, how do you plan on getting rid of chalice for 0 or 1? I believe you can't use the explosives for that, unless I'm misreading the card (It will be 0 or 1 on the stack, respectively, and will get countered by the chalice, right?). Are we supposed to wish for the answer, or should some bounce be maindecked also?
3  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Gifts Ungiven Belcher...Modifcations and Improvements on: April 22, 2005, 04:40:40 pm
[quote And since people tend to set chalices at 2 against me, this dodges the Echoing Truth problem.]
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I don't understand this. Shouldn't they be chalicing for 1? I played a gifts deck a few weeks ago for fun, and my first turn duress' took chalices because they could set it at 1 on their first turn (opponent was playing monoblue with chalices). I assumed shutting off 4x brainstorm, x duress, x welder, mystical, chain, mana vault, ancestral, sol ring hosed this deck more. In fact, his basic game plan was just to chalice for 1 ASAP. For this reason I added one echoing truth, it was either that or the rushing  river. I also had never played the deck before that day, so I realize my reasoning may be off. I also think only workshops could chalice for 2 within the first 2 turns on a regular basis, is this what you meant? Are they more worried about recoup and severance than the larger chunk of the deck at cc1 ?
4  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Article] Gifts Ungiven Belcher Control - The Primer-Type Th on: March 08, 2005, 07:50:43 pm
Thanks for someone finally posting a primer on a new, interesting deck/archetype.
I like the idea behind the gifts decks, but what do you feel are the reasons to run it over the similar control slaver? Does it have any inherent superiority beyond gifts itself?
I goldfished the list a few times, and it really seemed to need a truckload of mana. Half the time I'd weld out a used mana vault for a mana crypt/lotus in the yard just to fuel recoup and yawg will in the same turn (7 mana total). And is the lone deep analysis useful enough to keep it maindeck?
The fact that you mentioned yawgmoth's bargain makes me wonder if a more combo-ish approach to a gifts deck is possible. Like keeping force and duress, and dropping drains. Was an approach like this part of your testing before arriving at this list?
5  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / A New Deck and Tournament Report of Epic Proportions on: March 04, 2005, 08:38:55 pm
I like the idea behind the gifts decks, but what do you feel are the reasons to run it over the similar control slaver? Does it have any inherent superiority? What do you feel are it's weaknesses? Does it have different matchups/playstyles vs decks than c slaver?
I do agree that the welder seems useless most of the time, but it has come in useful. I goldfished (the brassman list) a few times, and it really seemed to need a truckload of mana. Half the time I'd weld out a used mana vault for a mana crypt/lotus in the yard just to fuel recoup and yawg will in the same turn (7 mana total). And is the lone deep analysis that useful?
6  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck] Mono Red Workshop Aggro on: January 12, 2005, 06:24:45 pm
I'll save you some grief, and just tell you to run 5/3. It comes from stacker and its variants, which is what your mono red workshop deck is. You are actually a generation behind in workshop aggro. Ask yourself what you are hoping to accomplish that 5/3 doesn't or can't be tweaked to accomodate. The blue stuff is better than pyrostatic pillar and ankh of mishra, unless you see mostly keeper style decks, which is unlikely these days. Ankh does not stop a good dragon player : active player, non-active player stack effects, etc. Pyrostatic pillar does not necessarily stop storm combo either; you could just run sphere of resistance main/side if you want to increase the chance of getting a hoser in your opening hand. The main problem with old stacker was the lack of a draw engine, which is obviously what blue added, along with the increased consistency from actually seeing more of your deck. Plus, thirst discards to bring your welders online, adding yet another synergy that a mono red deck lacks. It's not that you have bad ideas, it's just that right now there are better ones for workshop aggro that allow for more broken-ness, synergy and consistency.
7  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Why don't we see a lot of STAX in New England? on: November 08, 2004, 06:54:51 pm
To me, the 2 color version is like running u/r stacker and replacing the juggernauts and su-chi with smokestack and tangle wire; the 4 trinisphere and 3 crucible stay the same. One thing that will never change for workshop decks is that your opening seven have a huge impact on how your game is going to play out, and even with crucible you are subject to bouts of inconsistency. This is one of the biggest arguments against stax and other workshop decks; and at least a juggernaut puts someone on a fast clock combined with the disruption. A first turn tangle wire doesn't draw out a FoW like a juggie.
I do think you are slightly more consistent with two colors even without many basics, though I can't prove it empirically.  It may not even be the manabase; it may be because it forces the deck to be designed with more clarity of purpose and no extraneous elements. I guess I haven't seen a 5c deck list I was entirely comfortable with, either, or thought had a good chance to consistently beat keeper and control slaver. I wouldn't run it myself, but I think the the 2 spheres are to increase the likelihood of getting ate least one of trini/resistance in the opening hand. I would also at least run wheel of fortune, you can empty your hand pretty quickly with stax.
8  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Metagame Shifts: Debating the Future of Fish on: October 28, 2004, 04:58:04 pm
It seems as though fish has run into big_creatures.decs, which have always been a problem matchup for it. If you want to improve that  matchup, you'll have to scour the blue and red spell list for cards that help you defeat it or complement maze of ith. Cards such as annul,seal of removal, sigil of sleep, extract/rootwater thief should be tested to see if they are viable as s/b cards. Hell, even crucible of worlds may allow you to recur emergency blockers (faerie conclave) long enough to win before the trample damage does you in. I'm not saying these ideas are going to rejuvenate fish, but I don't necesarily think that it is ready to be relegated to the dustbin of history.
9  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Article] A Slaver For You! on: October 28, 2004, 04:13:40 pm
I think it's certainly an interesting direction to take the deck. I tried out the titan version, and found constantly I didn't have artifacts after thirsting, so I changed the draw engine into 3 thirst and 2 deep analysis. I see you have the ds citadel, so maybe that's the difference. In any case that ratio seemed to work very well for me, ususally winning with 20 cards left in the deck because I drew so much. I agree that intuition has remained unabused for too long, probably because tog was around and no one thought there was a better deck to use them in. I used 2 from the moment crucible came out in my U/R stacker build, and sometimes in trinistax. It's great to go strip, waste, waste with a crucible out, negating the basic land strategy. I also use it to tutor up other lock components (usually trinisphere or crucible, whichever one is not out yet). If you think about it, it's even psuedo card advantage in the same way fetchlands are, getting three cards out of your deck (psuedo-ancestral Smile) and hopefully improving future draws.
10  Eternal Formats / Creative / Cranial Extraction vs Mind Twist (in 4 CC) on: October 17, 2004, 04:09:40 am
Did everyone not get the memo about using goblin welders as FoW bait (as in, they're rarely necessary to get your deck to run)? Seriously, everyone's always trying to counter or kill welders, and yet those decks still win, against far faster answers than CE. Are you going to waste time on CE when a juggernaut is knocking down your life at a rapid clip? Are you going to cast it when you're about to get crucible locked? This is an expensive sorcery. and workshop decks tend to have a diversity of threats. And having played with and against control slaver, I would not rely on this spell being cast against it all that easily, though as stated it should be better against it than a workshop deck. If by chance it does become prevalent or effective, I guess it's time to start maindecking that misdirection again. Hell, even dragon can run that. Or just duress it out of your hand as it sits there waiting to be cast.
11  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Oath/Mask on: September 25, 2004, 11:51:05 pm
Well, I'm always up for a new mask build, so I'll give this a spin. Just a quick question, with the dazes and gush, and not using a full set of moxen,do you ever feel like you'd want a fastbond in this deck? Plus it's not too shabby with a crucible in play...
12  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Report] Winning Waterbury with Lava Dart on: September 15, 2004, 05:11:27 pm
Congratulations on your continued success with the deck. This looks like a pretty metagamed variant (MD bloodmoons being the most noteworthy). Also a quick question, are the spheres in the side for the combo matchup only, or is there another reason for them? And a lot of people are having success maindecking colossus, have you looked into it?
13  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Is Impulse the best option in Mono-U on: August 28, 2004, 05:41:24 pm
I'll introduce you to a technique I've used to win many a magic game : reading the card. The spell is countered " whenever a player plays a spell with converted mana cost equal to the number of charge counters on COTV".
The only chalice with a CMC of 0 on the stack is a chalice for 0. When in play, all chalices have a CMC of XX, and X is 0, and hence can be eaten by a mox monkey, kegged at 0, etc. A chalice in play with 2 counters will counter a chalice being cast for one (XX=2, get it?).
14  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Is Impulse the best option in Mono-U on: August 28, 2004, 04:17:47 pm
Just a quick question : with Impulse/AK, do you ever worry about an opposing chalice for two early? It seems like it hits an awful lot of cards in the deck, including powder keg, your most likely way of removing it.
15  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Intuistax (Stacks with Intuition) on: August 17, 2004, 03:21:09 pm
I've seen a build like this in action, it runs pretty well so far. I think the intuitions are a great innovation,  and I've been trying them out myself. I've been screwing around with a U/R Stacker type build that looks a lot like your stax, except with juggs and su-chi in place of the tangle wire and smokestack, and a mindslaver in place of the duplicant (probably should be one, don't know why I used a slaver). I included the intuitions, and they are gold in allowing the trinisphere/crucible lock to function, or just fetching the fatties of your choice. It almost does what survival does in TnT, as well as getting your strips/wastes. Having the ability to reach into the graveyard with welder and crucible pretty much turns it into an instant speed demonic tutor for you.
16  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / [Trading in Type One] what are the secrets? on: July 20, 2004, 04:39:33 pm
Yeah, I'm pretty suspicious of Alexthemaster myself. Note he has 65 refs, but only 11 MOTL refs (yeah, I'm a suspicious bastard). Here is the trade we agreed on yesterday, and I told him it had to go through a moderator in belgium. If he's a ripper, he'll say no; mail from belgium to the netherlands is like mailing from NY to NJ, they're next door to each other, he's not going to wait weeks to get my cards.
I'd be getting the pile with a lotus, but I sure as shit will not risk getting ripped; don't ever trade with someone who refuses a moderator. What if this is an old account that got hacked, and is now being used for high value offers?

1x Black Lotus UNL NM-
3x Illusionary Mask 03 BETA NM
1x Library of Alexandria NM
1x Underground Sea 01 BETA
2x Volcanic Island 02 BETA
1x Tropical Island 01 Beta
1x Tundra 01 Alpha
3x Taiga 03 Beta
For
4x Illusionary Mask
2x Bazaar of Baghdad (NM-, FN)
2x Mishra's Workshop (EX-, GD)
1x Beta Serra Angel, signed (EX+)
2x Nether Void (NM)
2x Beta Berserk (EX)
2x Power Artifact (NM-)
1x Moat (EX+/NM-)
1x The Abyss (NM-)
1x Mirror Universe (NM-)
1x Beta Copy Artifact (NM)
4x Mana Drain (FN)
1x Mox Sapphire (FN)
2x Fire/Ice (foil)
17  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / With the Star City P9 tournament behind us, what lies ahead? on: July 20, 2004, 02:45:05 am
I think the new versions of GAT have some game against both 4C and fish; so far, I've been testing lists similar to Ultima's, and IRL have ripped through both of those decks, to my surprise. And maze of ith doesn't do jack to GAT; time walk, regrowth and yawg will see to it, and you almost always have more threats on board than fish has mazes anyway. The deck needs to be tuned, but it does have potential.
18  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Discussion] How necassary is red in GAT? on: April 22, 2004, 06:23:50 pm
I played around with GAT a week ago at my local tourney, going -1 fastbond and +2 duress, because I'm guaranteed to see 2 keepers everytime I show up (and I probably will not play it Ultima combo style, so I didn't miss fastbond) . Yes, I know it's 61 cards, I always play 61 cards as a personal preference, I don't need a statistics lecture. In old GAT (i.e. 4x gush), my counterbase was 4x FoW, 3x Counterspell, 3x MisD, along with 3x Duress, and I was trying to replicate it as much as possible, because I was both comfortable with it and found it allowed me the most flexibility in pursuing my plan of attack, as well as a way to fight combo decks. If an early dryad went farming, I usually used the duress and cspells to clear the way for a yawg will, that sort of thing.
It also occured to me that those duress could also have been sleights ( BB, from portal, the way God intended, with phil foglio artwork), because sometimes I wanted to dig just a little more, and my hands felt light because TFK doesn't always help in that department. Does anyone feel that MD duress or slights (b4 serum visions is legal, anyway) are worth checking out, or have they already been tested and found wanting? Or is it really a question of play style between comboing early or giving yourself a little more late game?
Anyway, great work,  I'm really starting to warm up to this incarnation of GAT; the thirst's are better than they look at first glance, and it's a lot of fun to play. It feels like it's a few tweaks away from being fully optimal, but I guess that's what we're here for. I played around with energy flux a year ago in GAT as a sideboard plan to combat the then new prison decks emerging, but that may no longer be an option now that GAT is running the full set of artifact mana also. Since I'm the only one with workshops who regularly shows up anyway, I can't really test that one out in a real game situation. I had fluxes used against me whan playing Mud vs. fish, and they were harsh, but I've never seen them used against slaver. I hope we don't just write it off as a bad match-up.
19  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Control or Combo Slaver, Which one and Why? on: April 20, 2004, 01:09:10 am
I find it interesting you advocate cutting a chalice from the workshop version. My own playtesting indicates that I want it set at 2 within the first 3 turns for the most effect, and to me that means 4 of them is a must. The ones I draw later either get discarded to a thirst for knowledge, or get set at 0 to give me 1 more blue with a tolarian out and then get welded for some more slavery, or just get played so i can immediately tinker it away. And I think welding back your slaver and timetwistering to screw your opponent's full hand to be pretty humorous, but that's just me...and I would worry you may be cutting your blue count a little too low to support force of will reliably.
One other thing I'd worry about is the mana base, I think you actually need the 4 volcanics and 4 shivan reefs, not only to ensure you reliably draw them, but any type 1 player worthy of the name will probably try to cut off the red sources ASAP if he's running 5 strip effects.
20  Eternal Formats / Creative / Random ideas about GAT on: April 16, 2004, 02:33:26 am
In exactly what matches is an oath superior to a dryad? As I said, in a deck that allows you to find your creatures as quickly as possibly, and that runs as many togs as a dedicated tog deck anyway, why exactly do you think you need oath's?. Do you have problems with other aggro decks? I don't see how, but if you do, just board in another deed.
The core of the deck is dryad's, why would you be taking them out? Just play Tog if that's what you want, you don't need oath's there either.  This is type 1, not extended...you need 5 cards in hand and a berserk, not a fat graveyard with tog. Are you going to add cognivores too? You have more than enough tutors (4), most of my tutoring is for either ancestral or yawgmoth's will, neither of which I would be trying to get with consultation.
If you want to play with mana leak's and oath's, play a dedicated oath deck instead. Diluting concepts in type 1 is a fatal proposition, your deck needs to be focused to win. That mean the best cards with the best synergy or flat out brokenness; mana drain, quirion dryad, psychatog, yawgmoth's will, etc.. are all better than oath of druids and mana leak. Other gro decks  (including emerald alice, which had an oath transformational sideboard IIRC) pretty much became obsolete with the addition of black to the archetype.
21  Eternal Formats / Creative / Random ideas about GAT on: April 15, 2004, 02:44:29 am
What GAT (and Tog) do is filter through the deck as quickly as possible with their respective draw engines; you don't need oath. If the oath in your hand were a dryad, you could be well on your way to winning without needing to wait for your opponent to play a creature. You're an aggro-control deck, what are you going to be mana leaking first turn? That's why you have so many pitch counters, play aggressively and let the opponent react to your moves. Adding duress main is more in line with what the deck wants to do than mana leak, I'd suggest testing that out.
22  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck Discussion] Control-slavery on: February 26, 2004, 05:15:43 pm
Then you just go for the win anyway after you do what you can to his hand. Remember, he will probably have mox out that may be on color; let's say he's hoarding a yawg will or a balance. You make him cast it, the make him force it. Or you make him tutor up a cunning wish to rack and ruin his artifacts. A blood moon is not an auto win vs. keeper, they can still fight through it, and have plent of red to use against you. And don't forgot that damping matrix and isochron are colorless...
I see at least 6 cards to board in vs. keeper (4 blasts and 2 blood moon), how did you s/b vs. control decks when you faced them, Atog Lord? Did you keep the wishes main to have access to FoF and RnR, or did those go out?
23  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Discussion] Creature base in Slavery.dec and the sideboard on: February 25, 2004, 01:20:13 am
Right, I totally forgot that workshop slavery also added cunning wishes, I must have been thinking about the original decklist.
24  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Discussion] Creature base in Slavery.dec and the sideboard on: February 24, 2004, 06:07:10 pm
I thought one of Karn's better uses in workshop slavery was to blow up a chalice that was set at a number that you didn't want anymore . For example,  you might set it at 1 early on vs. say an aggro deck, but later will want to cast your welders. It's probably not a situation that comes up often enough, though.
25  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Smmenen's Hulk Smash 2K4 on: February 17, 2004, 04:46:45 pm
I don't like the swarms, because they force you to try to cast spells during your own turn rather than during their endstep. They annoy your opponents, but don't screw them like a back to basics does. I like the B2B better against multicolored control, though it forces you to be a control deck for a little while in that matchup. Gush is OK because once in a while it speeds up your kills, but half the time I seem to dump big mana drain (2 or 3) mana into it and hard cast it because I don't have anything else to dump mana into (my last 6 matches, only saw intuition once). I've been pleasantly surprised at the MD pernicious deed, though the stifles in chains-keeper may make it less of a threat to their low casting cost permanents.
26  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck] Tangle Wire Sligh on: February 12, 2004, 08:54:46 pm
Interesting take on sligh. I don't play extended, so this deck seems new to me, but I'll take a stab at it. I was wondering if, since extended doesn't have mox to get around tangle wire, do you feel that null rods would be useful in addition to the wires?. I ask because often when playing mud, for instance, a powered player isn't as bothered by the wire because he'll lay down permanents more quickly by virtue of having moxen, and just cunning wish on his upkeep. Since you are using grim lavamancer instead of cursed scrolls, null rods do not harm you like they used to. Or do you think that they're overkill? I was thinking of removing the miner, a chain, and an incinerate for 3 of them.  I've also always liked pyrokinesis in the side, though against Big O style decks it may be too much card disadvantage, and they'll probably recover b4 you do.
27  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Proxy Discussion on: February 12, 2004, 05:19:28 pm
Ivan, having read your posts and response, english may not be your first language, so I'll try to go easy on you. You have no idea what I'm talking about. What I said doesn't mean I want the prices to continue spiralling because I personally own power. I said that a free market is the best way to determine what the price for power (or any expensive magic card) should be, by being the best (i.e. most equitable) way for that price to be determined. And I did get away from this game, 8 years, and the price of the cards I had lying around on my floor ballooned. An extra 25 bucks isn't going to mean anything to me at this point, they're already worth more than I could have ever hoped. If you can't do a competent rebuttal, then flaming doesn't really accomplish anything. Prove your statement (understand that they need to get past their own petty differenes and relize how much better an enviornment there would be out there if evey one had all the same opportunoities, sic) to me. What does my nick name have to do with that? I'm in Smmenen's boat, I have everything, it's not about me swinging my big fat greek cock (the sequel to wedding) around. It just doesn't matter to me. I just like it when people earn it. I got 5 bazaars of baghdad in july/august when they were around $35/40, because I traded stuff that's basically still in print or extended legal for something that's been out of print for a decade. I lucked out, and the price blew up, but my point is that I've always traded that way, and it's worked out for me. I firmly believe that it could work for others also. And ebay makes everything accessible, if somewhat painfully on the wallet. That's a free market, and it's available to everyone. You are entitled to use it, you aren't entitled to a price less than someone else would pay just because you feel like it.

Zharaddan, where did I say I didn't want proxies? I already stated that I was OK with 5 for practical reasons, and feel it's a good enough compromise for both sides. It allows some to spruce up their decks, or play decks they couldn't because they only owned a few of the P9 or whatever. I'm just against the whole hand everything to everyone on a silver platter idea. Take a basic economics course and find out what price floors and ceilings do to any particular commodity, whether it be magic cards, crude oil, or housing. It screws everything. I live in new york, where all the rules and regulations and price floors means that there is a permanent housing shortage, because it's not worth it for anyone to build an apartment building only to be told what the max price they can rent apartments should be. The end result is no one builds housing, and the prices for people whose rent isn't "stabilized" continues to skyrocket.  Meanwhile, the building owners get screwed when their expenses rise 20% and they can only raise the rent 2.5%. Logically, does this benefit anyone?

Maybe I'm overanalyzing, and the same sort of destructiveness will not translate into the magic metagame. Some of my favorite magic articles are the ones by muzzono and bebe (I think), whose cleverness in making good unpowered decks never fails to amaze me. Are we against this type of creativity? I go out of my way to help optimize other people's decks when they show up at NG to play type 1; hell, 2 months ago I was in some way responsible for 4 out of 7 decks played at a friday night type 1 (my own, lent 2 out, and lent someone a sapphire, time walk and LoA). I lost to the guy I lent the big blue to (westredale on TMD), not because of the power, but because he's a better player than I am.
I point people to this website and tell them to read. It took me 2 months to figure out what was going on after i came back in 2003 and I used to have to look up cards on starcity to read them because I didn't know what anything printed after visions was, and yet they still refuse to come here and do the basic minimum needed.  No amount of proxies will fix this. Hell, NG stopped running 5 proxy tournaments because no one came to them, and it's also frustrated me quite a bit. I want more people to play, but my idea of magic "charity" is to help others out and point them in the right direction, not hand them everything on a silver platter. That's what I meant by socialism, not fiscal parity, and you're smart enough to know that, Steven. There's a reason the US economy always ends up growing faster than Europe's, even though the EU has a similar population, GDP, and technical knowledge. It's the huge costs of their socialist network knocking off 1/2 their GDP % increase each year, along with less need for creativity, because you have that net under you. I use economic analogies, because in most cases they allow you to figure out the rational decisions, and are applicable to real life events. Like I said, maybe it won't stifle growth the way it does in real life, but I've found economics rearing it's ugly head too often to dismiss it.

Smmenen, if we're lucky, your experiment will help out the metagame and increase competition. That hasn't been my experience so far, but if it proves to work I will be thrilled. I've seen JP Meyer once @ NG, and he proxied his power, but that didn't stop him from being a good deckbuilder, and maybe you're basing your ideas on the fact that he's able to make competent, rational arguments and decisions without owning P9 (If that wasn't him, d'oh, my bad). I will eagerly await the results of your tourneys; perhaps a future starcity article on this issue, along with your empirical evidence,would be helpful?

P.S. A crazy idea just popped into my head (no, really). How about we shut down TMD, stop writing articles and printing T8's, and let large proxy tournaments be the norm? Then we could see true creativity, with an all inclusive metagame. I was a ton more creative in making my own shit up, rather than netdecking someone else's work. I truly had to know my deck's weaknesses and put the right cards in my sideboard accordingly, because i didn't know what the hell I might be facing that day, but I did have to know my deck inside out. Just a thought experiment, beats whacking off to my beta lotus while someone without power sits back and watches...
28  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Proxy Discussion on: February 12, 2004, 03:24:03 am
Welcome to the next great thing, Magic socialism. I find it ironic that in Europe (the continent of sit on your ass and hope everything gets handed to you by your welfare state), they are running large tourneys unproxied while here the push is to cater to the lowest common denominator. If some frogs (sorry toad) who are afraid to work 35 hours a week can make an effort to acquire what they need, so can you. Sure, vintage is more popular than ever, and the exchange rate is in Europe's favor, but it's doable. Sell your eternal dragons and broodstars, stop drafting crap cards (that only benefits hasbro), and get to work. But no, you'd like to have your cake and eat it, too.
Being able to proxy 17% of your deck is flat out idiotic. The tournament organizers should instead photocopy everything you need, and everyone can cut and paste whatever they need. Maybe some crayons, so you can color them in if you're done registering your deck. My beta lotus acquires a little wear even through sleeves, so I'm all for that idea (sarcasm, it's my raison d^etre). Hey, here's an idea you Magic commies are sure to hate (just pulled this out of my ass) :
1. Establish a base price for the tournament.
2. Anyone who is not using proxies, gets in at 1/2 price.
3. Anyone using proxies has to pay the base price, plus $1 more per proxy that they're using.
4. Females don't pay anything, i shouldn't have to explain why.
But you'll never agree to it, because the pricing structure is "unfair."
Yes, ize, someone is more entitled to a black lotus than you are, it's called a free market. It sets the price, by virtue of being the most logical way to set prices. Any particular price rquires that it be good enough for the buyer and seller to agree upon, that's the whole point of the process. To even go to college, I had to borrow 25 grand in student loans; there are plenty of people who didn't, and whose parents paid for everything. Should I whine like a little bitch over the fact that I wasn't born to rich parents, then? Yeah, it cost me more to get an education, but it was still accessible to me. Get the analogy?
To be honest, I feel that 5 proxies (a.k.a. student loans), is a reasonable enough compromise, if only because it may get more people to try the format out. If they like it, it also allows them to expand the amount of decks that they can play as they are slowly but surely acquiring what they need. It's not like I'm so opposed to proxies that I can't stand them, it's just this attitude of entitlement (not just magic, but our country in general) that really angers me.

@'slinga : You can see the free market at work; you've been bidding up the price on an illusionary mask and time vault on MOTL.  You know what I'm talking about. It's not like you have to bid on it Smile.
@cuando : Even worse, the Ron Jeremy treatment. I wanna see em get  the hedge-hog!
29  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck Discussion] JP Meyers newest Psychatog Variant on: February 11, 2004, 09:47:44 pm
I played almost the exact same list JP posted at the beginning of the thread at NG 2 weeks ago, with only a MD gush, merchant scroll, +1 Trop, -1 mox pearl,-1 mana crypt as the difference (vampiric in the s/b).  I also used 3 xantids in the sideboard b/c I wanted to see what it did in a control matchup. Do you think the B2B is better in a 3 color tog build over xantid? I ended up losing to a keeper deck, by outdrawing him and only getting crap, but the xantids made him nervous.  On the other hand, they make his creature kill not sit uselessly in his hand. waiting to be brainstormed away.
IIRC this was my s/b that day:
1x Berserk
1x Smother
2x Coffin purge (Hell,I'm the only one around there with bazaars, why don't I only play one?)
1x Pernicious deed
1x Naturalize
1x Crumble, now an Oxidize
1x Vampiric tutor
1x Blue Elemental blast
1x Psychatog
3x Xantid swarm
1x Deep Anal
1x Plaguebearer (In case westredale shows up with his gay assed fish deck); In fact, the reason I had a basic swamp maindeck was to have a non-wasteable source of black to activate plaguebearer.
The fact that I will play a lot of control matchups makes me hesitate to use a mana crypt, those games can go long enough to prefer sol ring. Or maybe i'm just a pussy.
P.S. One point I'd like to make is that current tog decks are looking a lot like the post-gush restriction lists posted a year ago, b4 the adding of red.
30  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Merged: Gay Red & Gay/r, Still viable or old news? on: January 29, 2004, 07:59:28 pm
It's been a solid deck, especially if you run into lots of control, but with the sudden rise of aggro, fish decks tend not to do so well. You have evasive 1/1 fliers, they have 4/4 trampling wurms and wild mongrels, and your mazes will probably get stripped. Considering the prices of bazaars, I'm not sure I'd exactly consider Big O completely budget, just cheaper than your average type I deck, so that means fish is still probably the best budget deck.
You might want anti-artifact tech rather than all those blasts in th SB. Rack and ruin and energy flux are good, but if you don't run into workshops, they probably aren't necessary.
Keep the MisD, you will sometimes fnd yourself wanting another pitch counter, and stifle isn't always what you want to see.
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