I tested the same kind of list, anticipating a Cage heavy metagae in the next few monthes.
I almost came to the same list as you did, except that i think that Fatesticher is useless if you don't rely on dread return to win. I would definatly cutt them for Serum Powder, which is absolutly uncuttable.

Also, as i tend to play alot more slowdredge than i use to do, even game 1, I really like the inclusion of maindeck Ghoultree next to the disruption package, which is huge. I agree that misstep is definatly a maindeck autoinclude in dredge now. It's alot better than CotV.

So my list is yours except : -4 Nature's Claim -3 Fatesticher -1 Ichorid +4 Ghoultree +4 Serum Powder. And it's really solid as long as people keep on playing Cage and jailer as their main hate cards.

And also, you can toy with the Ghoultree/Nature's Claim/Mental misstep maindeck and sideboard ration to perfectly adapt to your local metagame.

Whenever a really good dredge hoser is printed, it makes it alot easier for the dredge player, just because you have to fight one thing....

The cage is huge against Dredge, yes, but you can easily adapt if everyone plays it, such as maindecking Mental Misstep/Unmask, perahaps Force of will in some heavy blue cards versions, and having a sideboard dedicated only to deal with Artefacts/Enchantements.

It's really really far from being a recoup....
You cannot gifts for yaug and 2 good cards with this guy (i know that's not revelant these days but still)....

It would be a great card for any monoB deck if blightsteel colossus wasn't the tinker target of choice.

OKay it's a little more expensive, and hard to cast without metalworker but its :
 - At worst it's a mana denial every turn
 - IT's a good way to attack control decks hand
 - It does what duppliquant do without the body, so at worst, it's an auto include instead of duppliquant
 - It deals with null Rod

Definatly a 3of in my MUD list.

It's a very good one of in 5c STax....

For MUD, as said, it's worse than All is Dust, except if hitting a land is really important (which it's not ithink, we got enough in the deck for that).

The pourcentage to have a bazaar by mulliganing/Serum powdering has been calculated to around 94%.
That means that on a 6 roundzs tournament, you should mull to oblivion only 1 game per tournament.

There are 2 things that i tested in a similair shell, with really interesting results :
 - 1 lone Crucible of Wolrds to tutor for the Strip/waste lock or have a better smokestack control when needed
 - 1 lone memory jar, because well, it's allways good to rebuild a hand when you have Forgemaster active in the mid game.

Ratchet bomb is another really interesting choice there.

I also prefered the new empyrion golem better than platinum angel, but both choices are valid IMO.

What about 4 colour with maindeck Ancient Grudges and Klin Fiend as your kill ?

Is duress really better than Spellpierce in this shell ? I really don't think so, your disrupt suite should be 3-4 spellpierce, 4 Thoughtseize, 4 FoW, 1-2 misdirections

Also :

What about 4 colour with maindeck Ancient Grudges and Klin Fiend as your kill ?

Razromane is better if your problem isn't Tarmogoyf and Nature's claim.

I think that i really don't play the same game than alot of you TMDers....
Let me rephrase than....
In MUD Aggro, it's better than both juggernaut and Razormane masticore, whichever is played, simply because you can keep on applying pressure, even with a trygon predator or a tarmogoyf on your opponent's side. You should have deal your opponent enough damages before the situation occur to be in a good spot to win if they can just destroy everything else around the juggy.

Being 5/5 is also the reason why Rusted Relic is alot better than juggernaut, simply because it's harder for an opponent to just go tarmogoyf go, and being able to shut down your pressure. A creature that can just shut down all of your offensive weapon is alot scarier to face than just a chumpblock.

In my MUD aggro list, i think that my creature base will be 4 lodestone golem, 3/4 Rusted relic, 3 Darksteel Juggernaut. The possible inclusion i also consider is the 6/6 wurm that makes 2 3/3, but more in a stacker list.

Also, Forgemaster and Helkite are really great possible cards but totally uncomparable to rusted relic and darksteel juggernaut in Aggo lists of MUD for 2 reasons :
1) They are too expensive without Metalworker, so better in a more controlish MUD Shell
2) They cannot be played alongside null rod.

At best, considering how i play MUD, hellkite will be a gret sideboard card for me in every matchup i side null rod out.

Now that everyone maindeck tarmogoyf and/or trygon predator and/or nature's claim, i really think that the best thing for MUD is the */* undestructible new juggernaut. This one solves the problem.

It's alot better in Mud than juggernaut now that each control deck maindeck 3 trygon predators, some nature's claim and some tarmogoyf....
It's the perfect card for MUD actually.

It was at least alot cooler than this one...

So ugly :S

I agree with everything Bruizar said except 1 thing....
In a format where Everyone is playing Tarmogoyf (Fish, Drain, aggro, Aggro control) because of MUD, i think that deathtouch, at least on the 3/3 token, is huge.

On a side note, this card it nuuuuuuts in any welder stax build.

I think that a Sphere/Tangle/golem every turn is enough to make this nuts....
In allmost all situations, it's better than Sculpting steel (except opposite tinker)
Definatly a 2 of for me in MUD lists.

I'm curious to hear what card you want to trinket into the shop matchup.... it's not about to tutor it or not... It's about the value of the card when you naturally draw it....

And even if the blue one read 1, T : Bounce a creature, pay U to draw, it would still be inferior to aether spellbomb because of null rod.

How don't see how you can say that....

When you combo, it's exazctly the same as any other spellbomb. So it's irrevelant.

When you don't combo out, okay, it's worse than Aether spellbomb, but it's far far far better than pyrite spellbomb, even if it costs one more to cycle, simply because it does something for you even outside the combo.

And this spellbombo IS definatly buying a turn vs any non flying creature. It even keeps confidant unable to attack when pyrite does nothing (Cause you don't play red of course)

And i don't even speack of how better it is against smokestack (because you can cycle it and pay for smoketack) and how better it is against tangle wire (because you don't have to sacrifice one permanent to draw). MUD being my main concern in the actual metagame, i clearly rank this 2nd best spellbomb actually aviable.

Think it's really great to play in a UR or monoR stax deck as at least a one-of, possible 2-of....
It's really bad in MUD, you don't need it and it weakens you against one of your main ennemy : Null rod.
Think 5c Stax doesn't play enough artefacts to support it.

Few things I noticed and will think of when i will build workshop again :

Your match #1 showed exactly why lotus isn't better than mana vault, and why trinisphere can be considered by some workshop players bad and why they usually side it out on the draw, whatever the matchup is.
Your opponent making a critical mistake in vountering it with 3 manas open IMHO.

In match #2, it's for me a mistake to go Workshop instead of city of traitors to play trinisphere if you did it (which i think you did with your Wasteland comment), especially against fish.

In match #3 and 4, you have a glimpse of why some workshop players don't like black lotus in the deck. I also consider the Match #3 game #1 hand unkeepable on the draw against an unknown deck.

Also, i think you didn't really answered the title question in the article. Why worshop decks are bad, and are they even bad ?

I also really don't like your sideboard at all. Playing 4 leyline of sanctity for combo matchups when they are your best matchups and having allmost no mirror match sideboard when it's one of the most played deck actually is clearly wrong to me... You should have at least 3 crucible post sideboard, and even 4 IMO.

Also, I'm not sold on the "I will play 4 serum powder to get null rod because null rod would have been great all day for me" simply because you're not even sure that you'll have blind mulligan into null rod in those matches.

I would just go land go, then either
 - brainstorming in response if they duress/Thoughtseize,
 - brainstorming in response of a big threat (Tral, Bob, etc...) to try to get force of Will, or a thrat that can negate your opponent's advantage (using your tutors for disruption)
 - if no duress/thoughtseize/threat, i would go nothing turn 1 and brainstorm + fetchland during my 2nd turn mainphase, sac and Vampiric for ancestral recall at the end of opponent's turn 2.

Seems to be the most valuable opener with this hand for me For Card/Quality advantage. it's also the best way to have the maximum value of your 2 tutors, simply because you have a small chance to draw the cards you could tutor up for off your brainstorm and/or ancestral recall. The big advantage of this hand is that you still got a 2nd tutor to maximize the pressure with tinker if ancestral recall got countered.

I really think that it's not that simple. You shouldn't have any problem to cast both coffin and effigy with your manabase.
What is the most important there is the activation cost, because you cannot use shop there. And it can favor Coffin.

Tawno's Coffin .... :S

You could also say that 2sphere is a solution to trygon because it avoid your opponent to play it....
What i meant is that a card which is an artefact and need to pass the turn (several times even when you speack of Smokestack) isn't a solution to trygon.

Tangle can be a solution because you can kill your opponent before his trygon will hurt you, so it's good by itself, but saying that smokestack helps this problem because it's good with that and that is wrong to me.

How is smokestack an answer to trygon predator ? It's at best a possible way to avoid it to be played (considering that you'll have to spend a turn doing nothing more than playing smokestack instead of cards that delay it more), but not really a solution to a resolved predator.

I tested alot Ochoa's list and the Spanish list of Jacerator, and i have been crushed, at least post board, by the 2 decks. They are really solid against MUD, slightly favorable game 1 (something like 55-45) but they are really allmost unbeatable post board. I must admit that my results were better against Ochoa's list than against the Spanish Jacerator list.

And i still disagree with you in a Ugb deck that gifts is <<< jace. If you play Regrowth, key/vault, you should play gifts, not a 3rd jace.
And for the denial matchups, i would never cutt thirst for a Jace, the instant speed is really important in this particular matchup, even if overall, the card is weaker.

That's the 2 main reasons that make me prefer the spanish version (no confidants for gifts/thirst/regrowth and more nature's claim/mana drain instead of the thoughtseize) than Ochoa's list.

Both Gifts and Facts are restricted, and Jace isn't far to be as good as both of them.
It should be on the watch list IMHO.

But to be honest, the fact that Ochoa's list, or in Europe the Team Pataners JAcerator list, start to win tournaments isn't only because of Jace the mindsculptor, but more because it's sideboarded game 1 against the most dominant deck in the format, and well built to fight all of his natural predators (such as fish). ANd i think that the player level does allmost nothing in that equation. I tested MUd against Ochoa's list alot and the matchup was really in Ochoa's list favor.

It's funny how it's still the same kind of comment from the same people on themanadrain.... You don' do like everyone else, you do it wrong, it's kind of boring.
Of course i do have some games where I have to play the aggro mode, but when this happens, it's when i tried everything i can to deal with the hate and have been countered, so very late in the game.... I allmost never can cast something that costs 2 on turn 2, or 3 if i have a bazaar with manaless ichorid.

It's allready difficult with a 14-15 lands, mana version of the deck i played alot in Legacy/extended (and this time, with some results i can show you) and if you remind well the history of dredge deck, when Meandeck first published the list of the deck, with 15 mana lands/moxen, they played balance and/or timem wxalk, and all the players that played the deck at this time (me included, with several top8 in 80+ players tournaments in Europe) they all first cutt walk and balance saying "2 manas is too much for the deck".