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1  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / SoCal Winter Fest - 4 Foil Tarmogoyf on: November 14, 2007, 01:29:04 pm
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Prize also for Top Finishing age 17 and under (not in top 8)

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Additionally, on Friday November 30th there is the weekly Legacy event that costs $6 to enter, and starts sign ups at 6:00 pm.
2  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: [Spoiled Deck] Worker/Staff/Rings idea on: September 20, 2007, 11:27:34 am
*I can't understand relation between infinity mana and goblin canon, can u explain to me??
Thx a lot. .

I'll activate Goblin Cannon, I'll respond by activating Goblin Cannon, I'll respond by activating Goblin Cannon, I'll respond by activating Goblin Cannon, I'll respond by activating Goblin Cannon, I'll respond by activating Goblin Cannon...

repeat 1,000,000 times

...I'll respond by activating Goblin Cannon, and now I will pass priority.

Resolve last activation first:  You take 1 and I sacrifice the Goblin Cannon. 

Resolve the next activation:  You take 1 damage, Goblin Cannon is not in play for me to sacrifice.


See sacrificing the Cannon is part of the ability resolving, not the cost of activating it.
3  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: [Spoiled Deck] Worker/Staff/Rings idea on: September 19, 2007, 03:25:19 pm
I like the rings, but I don't think that they work well just throwing them into this style of deck.  The deck seems to become less focused, which isn't good for a combo deck.  Playing the Rings only to use it to untap the Worker with the Staff is inefficient, when as an artifact in your hand it would provide you with enough mana to go off with the staff alone and you wouldn't have to risk having it countered or reducing the ammount of artifacts in your hand.

I've played Mishra Staff since it has been legal, I played it at Gencon, in the last Vintage event.  The deck I played is here http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=34001.0 and http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=87220


A deck designed to use it with Time Vault combo with the rings is an idea I am looking into.
4  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Uses for Infinite Mana... on: September 06, 2007, 01:17:20 pm
Well, I made a Vintage list with the Staff Combo, you can find the deck list here...

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=34001.0


Some of the best uses for Infinite Mana are Staff of Domination, Goblin Cannon, Jinxed Choker, & Magma Mine.
5  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Re: Gencon performance on: August 27, 2007, 05:26:18 pm
Glad to see that you did well.  It was also good to play against you in the last Match of Gencon on Sunday in the Vintage event.
6  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: [Deck] Mishra's Staff (No Power) on: August 27, 2007, 01:06:25 pm
I once tried a deck like this, but it was when I first started so it wasn't too good but I did pull off the combo sometimes of infinite mana into any X spell(my favorite was Brain Geyser lol).

I think you should run Tinker. Every part of your combo( Staff, Metal Worker, Goblin Cannon) is an artifact. And if you ran Tinker, if you wanted to you could run an alternate win condition of Tinker-Darksteel Colossus. The only problem is your only blue source is Tolarian Academy and it's restricted.

It might not be worth adding enough blue sources for only Tinker. But if you were going to power it(maybe at a tournament) then it would be easier with Lotus Petal(well this isn't power but just saying this would probably be one), Black Lotus, Mox Sapphire.

Power Artifact would also be useful. If on your staff then you only need 2 artifacts in your hand for Metal Worker to combo off on the Staff. Or, it also makes it so Grim Monolith can create infinite mana and combo off on the Staff.

Adding blue starts to take away artifacts from the deck, and you really need them in order to go off.

Also, I think Wastelands could really hurt this deck because you don't have a single basic land. But maybe not if you manage to get some mana artifacts out quick. Also, even though you have good disruption, if a card hits play that hates artifacts there's not much you have to get rid of it.

Wastelands and Strip Mines shouldn't really hurt.  You only really need to resolve Metal Worker to win, and Goblin Welder as back up.  All of that can be done with a single land drop and/or with use of Simian Spirit Guide.  Also Blood Moon helps against Wastes and Strips.  As for hate on artifacts:  Null rod will rock this deck, that is why Chalice for zero Turn 1 is important if you can combo off Turn 2, and you can also Chalice for 2 on Turn 1.  As for Energy Flux, that is nothing.  Often the only artifact you will have in play is Metal Worker at the beginning of your turn, and he can pay for himself.  This usually slows you a turn.

I'm interested, how many turns on average does it take this deck to combo off?

The deck usually comboes off turn 2 or 3 without disruption, but it requires muligans often.

Would you mind going in depth about the day's matchups?

I didn't find Voltaic Construcs until Sunday Morning at Gencon, so I played this in the Sunday Vintage.

The bye was pretty easy in the first round.  I was kind of worried he might pull out some tricks, but I managed to beat the bye.

Round 2 I played against Roland Chang. 
Two games in a row he had amazing hands.  He won the die and openned with Mox, Mana Crypt, Sol Ring, Trinisphere.  I had a turn 2 win in hand, but the Trinisphere kept me unable to play anything.  My hand was Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors, Mana Crypt, Metal Worker, Staff of Domination, Voltaic Construct, Planar Portal.  I drew a 2nd Metal Worker and dropped Ancient Tomb and passed the turn.  He played wasteland, wasted my land and then played Crucible of Worlds.  There was a lot of Pass go for awhile, and I had to start discarding.  I held on to the City of Traitors, so I could draw Simian Spirit Guide.  I saw no SSG or Workshop in 10 turns and once he had an active Welder I conceeded and we went to the next game.

Game 2 I make a mistake, and kept a hand with 3 City of Traitors, Great Furnace, 2x Metal Worker, Staff of Domination.  I thought I only had 2 City of Traitors and that the other one was an artifact, but that is what happens when you don't sleep at Gencon.  I play City of Traitors and pass the turn.  He Strips my City and plays Mox, another mana accel or 2 and drops Trinisphere.  I draw a City of Traitors and play it, yea all 4 of them.  He plays wasteland and wastes my land.  I play another City and pass.  Roland rips Crucible, plays it and wastes again.  I sit on my last city and once again never see a Mishra or SSG.

He admits to having two really good hands.  I could have played around them if I could have just seen Mishra's Workshop or a Simian Spirit Guide.  We play a game 3 for fun because he wants to see what my deck does since I didn't do anything for 2 games.  I proceed to drop Mishra -> Metal Worker -> win turn 2 with Voltaic Construct and Planar Portal.

Round 3 I play against a guy I played the day prior.  I cann't remember his name, but he was a nice guy, and we had lots of fun playing both days.
Game 1 I go first and gamble that he doesn't have a Force of Will.  He doesn't and I drop Chalice for zero then Mishra -> Worker and I pass the turn.  I know I win turn two unless he bounces the Worker as I am holding Staff of Domination, Voltaic Construct, Sphere of Resistance, Trinisphere.  I could have gone with 1st turn Trinisphere, but if he dropped a wasteland I could be screwed.  He plays a land and passes the turn.  I draw another Staff of Domination.  I tap Metal Worker and reveal my entire hand.  He brainstorms in response, and just asks me to show me the win condition.  I drop Trinisphere and then Staff of Domination and draw untill I hit Planar Portal then play Portal fetching Goblin Cannon, and we go to the next game.

Game 2 is much more drawn out, but it is one sided.  I don't remember the specifics, but I remember he kept having to use Merchant Scroll for Force of Will and Bounce.  I resolve an early Metal Worker and I eventually gain enough card advantage through Planar Portal activation every turn.  He has to counter Voltaic Construct every turn or I win.  I have Metal Worker (2 Staff of Domination in Hand), Mishra's Workshop, Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors, and Great Furnace all providing me 12 mana each turn so that I can Search with Planar Portal, cast Voltaic Construct, and untap Metal Worker should he resolve.  I finally draw an artifact right before I run out of Constructs, and that allows me to cast Goblin Welder.  Metal Worker gets bounced.  I cast him on my turn and he gets countered.  I cast Construct and a Staff with 3 Artifacts still in hand.  He's run out of counters.  At the end of his turn I weld Metal Worker in and go off on my turn.  All of his resources were used to prevent me from going off, and I outlasted them.  I did take a lot of damage from Ancient Tomb, but I still comboed off.   


Round 4, the last round of Gencon.  I was playing against Flash.
This all gets a little fuzzy, I was magiced out and making mistakes left and right.  Game 1 I force him to rip his hand apart with Force of Will removing Flash.  He has to Force two early spells and rebuild his hand from there.  He also uses Pact of Negation twice and pays for it both times.  One turn it taps him out completely, but he plays a land and passes.  He casts another Pact of Negation uses his one blue mana to Mystical for Demonic Tutor.  He again pays for pact, but doesn't have another land and passes the turn.  I drop Blood Moon taking away his black and green mana.  He brainstorms on his 1st main phase.  He takes about 3 minutes looking at his hand and deciding which cards to put back.  He knows I will go off on my turn as I have an active Goblin Welder now and Voltaic Construct on the board, as well as a Metal Worker and Staff of Domination in my grave.  He finally resolves Brainstorm, and then thinks for a few minutes and finally casts flash.  I remark how it must have sucked having the Brainstorm reveal more Slivers.  I knew he had gotten stuck with one Sliver in hand, and it meant that he could not win because if I played properly I had 2 blockers.  The Blood Moon kept him off green so he could not cast the last Sliver.  He searches for 3 Virulent Slivers and a Heart Sliver and swings.  I weld out an artifact for Metal Worker, and pay two to untap the Construct, as he had been beating down for a few turns.  I block two of the Virulent Slivers and take 2 damage and get 6 poisen counters.  I take my turn and go off.

Game 2 I make another gamble that actually costs me the game.  I drop Ancient Tomb and cast Caltrops, to which I get pointed to the "3" in the casting cost.  I remark about oh yea that's right, my friend and I were stating how it sucks that it costs three.  Since I have 2 in my pool, I cast Mana Vault.  I go to play the Caltrops, but decide to gamble and go with Metal Worker instead.  Bad Gamble, he wins on his turn, but this game actually sets up the next game.

Game 3 my opponent sides out all of his Enchantment hate thinking I am not running Leyline of the Void because of the Caltrops.  I open game two with double Leyline of the Void, and my opponent's face shows how screwed he was.  We battle back and forth  I beat down with Metal Worker and a Voltaic Construct, until my opponent plays a Elvish Spirit Guide and then returns the beats as I can't give up my combo pieces.  I don't draw any thing and what I do draw gets countered.  Finally I get something to land, I think it was a Goblin Welder.  We go to time, and I have things bounced.  He is playing not to lose as he can not win.  on Turn 5 I go off, and actually do not win.  LOL  I don't play it safe, and only have a single defense grid with a Trinisphere and he has 3 mana available.  I didn't recall that Trinisphere is applied last.  I could have played more Defense Grids as I had Staff drawing most of my deck, but I didn't.  He Force of Wills my Goblin Cannon.  I look puzzled and angry at myself for not playing more defense grids, and taking the short cut instead.  What I don't realize is that I could just pay 3 mana and use the staff to untap the Welder and bring the Goblin Cannon Back into play and win, but being completely tired and all magiced out I look at the die representing turn 5, think about how I should have played the additional grids and ask him if he would like to conceed.  He says no.  The judge says ok it is a draw.  I say it is stupid for one of us not to conceed.  if we draw we both get nothing, if one person conceeds at least someone gets prize, so I conceed the game, and ultimately the match.  I deserve to lose for playing so horribly anyways.  My opponent is cool and splits the prize packs he gets with me.  After the match the on-lookers asked why I didn't untap the welder.  I remarked because Voltaic Construct can only untap artifact creatures.  They say, no with the staff.  I laugh and say because that would make sense, I was to tired to realize that as I was actually untapping Metal Worker with the Construct each time not the Staff so that was what my mind was locked into.

Should have been 3-1, but ended 2-2.



EDIT:  I had Gorila Shaman in the deck, but when throwing the deck together at the last minute could not find them so they did not go in.  They would be the removal, and there was two of them planned main.
7  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: [Deck] Mishra's Staff (No Power) on: August 26, 2007, 11:49:19 pm
Serum Powder would be amazing in this deck.  In hand it functions as a combo piece with Metalworker out and you could basically mulligan into a hand with Metal Worker or Mishra's Workshop every game.

Well, I was originally running them in the deck, but with only 2 win conditions in the main it is risky, as well as not being a great draw, as it doesn't provide faster mana to reach three or present a problem to your opponent.  I would like to fit it back in though if it proves to be better.

I don't suppose it is possible for the moderators to make an official no-power/budget thread and not allow anymore of these posts outside of that thread?

I don't suppose it is possible for you to look at the deck list and realize it really doesn't need power.  Chalice for zero is great against Flash and other Combo decks.  It had saved me more than once.  If I did add power, it would most likely only be a Lotus and a Ruby.  Grim Monolith and Mana Vault have alternate uses with Karn and Voltaic Construct, and the deck is already tight as it is on spots. 

The fact is, some times people need powerless decks for sanctioned events, and this deck doesn't really hurt from not running power.  Considering that, you won't catch me posting the Flash/Oath deck I ran that did not have power, as that deck would benefit much from actually having a full set.  Chalice of the Void is much better in this deck than Power.  That being said, do you have anything to add to this deck conversation or was the complaint about a Powerless list all you had?
8  Eternal Formats / Creative / [Deck] Mishra's Staff (No Power) on: August 25, 2007, 09:03:03 pm
I played this in a vintage event at Gencon on the last day. It performed well, I just played horribly, missing plays that would win me the game instantly rather than later, or even losing me tha game instead of winning.  It doesn't run any power, so that makes the deck inexpensive minus the Mishra's Workshops.  It is fun to play, doesn't require the graveyard, and doesn't die to Energy Flux like most staxs decks.

Lands
4 Mishra's Workshop
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Great Furnace
1 Tolarian Academy

Mana Artifacts
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
1 Grim Monolith

Creatures
4 Metal Worker
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Voltaic Construct
4 Goblin Welder
1 Karn, Silver Golem

Combo Pieces
4 Staff of Domination
4 Planar Portal
1 Goblin Cannon

Disruption
1 Trinisphere
4 Sphere of Resistance
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Blood Moon
1 Mindslaver

Sideboard
1 Blood Moon
4 Defense Grid
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Caltrops
3 Jester's Cap
1 Masticore

9  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Premium Article] The Ichorid Blitz on: August 06, 2007, 12:59:54 pm
This is the most recent discussion I've found on Ichorid in Vintage.

While many builds have started playing Street Wraith for the extra dredge, I have been testing Call to the Netherworld in both Legacy and in Extended with positive results in testing.  With the Bazaars would you think it a decent card to run to increase the early dig for the deck?
10  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Pro Tour San Diego - LEGACY - Dual Land Open - June 29 2007 @ 5:00pm on: June 27, 2007, 11:18:36 am
I know this is a last minute announcement, but there will be a Legacy side event this Friday at the Pro Tour here in San Diego at 5:00 pm..

Entry is $10

Prize:
1st - 2 sets of Dual lands
2nd - 1 set of Dual lands
Remaining players will receive current set boosters.


Here is the link to the other side events.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/protour/sandiego07-sides
11  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Uses for Infinite Mana... on: June 19, 2007, 03:12:57 pm
Before Legacy was established, I ran a deck designed to win off infinite mana, but it still could win with out it.

Mishra's Workshop, Metal Worker, Voltaic Contruct, Staff of Domination, Goblin Cannon, & Myr Incubator were the main win conditions and it ran Goblin Welder, Karn Silver Golem, as well as other anti control elements and alternate infinite mana pieces.  It was a turn 2/3 win, and I actually won turn 1 once when an elf deck drop cordent crossroads, lol.

A friend of mine made a type one version and it proved to be strong.  Metal Worker & Voltaic Construct are immune to Duress, and the addition of Tinker and Power was amazing.
12  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Flash Rector on: June 12, 2007, 01:10:56 pm
What about trying to run Hulk and Rector.  Hulk can Fetch Rector if you don't have it.
13  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Re: [Report] Ancient Memory Convention No.24 / Legacy from Tokyo on: June 10, 2007, 05:21:19 am
Thanks for the repor.  This is just more proof that Flash should not have been banned.

11 decks were Flash, and yet only 2 made top 8, and another 2 top 16.

11 of 50 is 22% of the field.

2 of 8 or 4 of 16 is 25%.


Yes different decks are played, but that is what happens when a new deck becomes top dog.
14  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Re: Awesomest Plays of the GP on: May 24, 2007, 04:25:32 pm
JACO, your best play was convincing that Threshold player that you were playing the mirror.

However, Lim's Dul's Vault into Abeyance with Boseiju is pretty funny.
15  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: [Poll]: When did you start playing Magic seriosuly? on: April 27, 2007, 01:25:47 pm
Wow, only two of us from the early sets?

I've always followed the rules, bans, and restricted lists when they were put into effect.

It was difficult to convince myself to pay $5 for a mox though.  I was in high school, and that was just under my daily allowence, which also was suppose to pay for my food and bus fair.  It paid off though, I sold almost all of my collection a year and a half ago, and got $20K for it.  Still had complete sets of power, 4 of each.
16  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Re: [Annoucement] Grand Prix Trials For Columbus Updated on WOTC site on: April 23, 2007, 08:41:59 pm
Sweet, looks like us west coast people will only be taking the byes from our ratings, and then crushing the field one round earlier then the winners of the 3 round byes. 

I think it is bogus that there isn't a Trial in the SoCal area.  (L.A. / San Diego) 

I'm not going to travel ~1400 miles for a GPT, but I'll travel ~2200 miles for the GP.


See you scrubs in round 3.  Sad  However, I guess it is my fault for not having 2000+ rating.
17  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Re: [Announcement]Legacy Cash Tournament Chicago,IL 3-18-07 on: March 19, 2007, 03:08:48 pm
Any info on the top 8?
18  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Re: 10th Place at TML Open 3/3/07. With BHWC Landstill on: March 07, 2007, 05:42:51 pm
Had you not ID'ed you would probably won that match, and we wouldn't be talking about TES.

Now my question is, "How many people entered the tourney with TES?"  You faced 4 of them.

I will say one thing, I think the right person won with TES though.  I'm glad that Wastedlife was the one who won with it.  The creator of the deck should be the one to carry a deck to best success.
19  Vintage Community Discussion / Community Introductions / Re: Introduce Yourself on: February 15, 2007, 08:33:02 pm
Hey all!

Just wanted to say hi.
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