Who's More Badass: Darth Vader or Dr. Doom

[Bram]

The body. It's all midichlorians, baby.

[Methuselahn]

 I would think being The Chosen One would make you impervious to simple mind tricks or hostile mental takeovers of any kind. 

Mike:  Yea, I know who Doom is and all of his history, but really, who is this guy?  Don't answer this.

[Anusien]

Dr. Doom also has the ability to switch minds with another person

This begs the question: If Doom switched minds with Vader, would he have Vader's force powers? That is, do force powers reside in the mind or in the body?

Fuck midichlorians.  Your ability to use the Force is a mental thing, it's your connection to the life forces around you.  This is how Jedi can go astral when they die.  So Doom occupies Vader, and not only can Vader fight back, but he'll take the opportunity to destroy Doom's body, and then kick him out of his own mind so Doom will be astrally stranded forever.

[Matt]

Dr. Doom also has the ability to switch minds with another person

This begs the question: If Doom switched minds with Vader, would he have Vader's force powers? That is, do force powers reside in the mind or in the body?

Fuck midichlorians.  Your ability to use the Force is a mental thing, it's your connection to the life forces around you.  This is how Jedi can go astral when they die.  So Doom occupies Vader, and not only can Vader fight back, but he'll take the opportunity to destroy Doom's body, and then kick him out of his own mind so Doom will be astrally stranded forever.

Now you're just pulling this stuff out of your ass. "Occupies"? "Kick him out of his own mind"? He's not Professor X.

[dandan]

You do know that having to state something in your name shows a deep insecurity about it and almost certainly a need to cover up a weakness (think of any country calling itself Democratic in its name for example). The Doctor is no doctor and calling yourself Doom is rather pretentious.
On the other hand, Darth Vader is a normal title, well earned and draws its power from the reputation of the individual.

In addition, anyone taking over any Eastern European countries wants their head examined.

[Matt]

He doesn't call himself Doom - that's his real name, the one he was born with.

Also, how is darth a normal title? It's short for Dark Lord of the Sith, you know. Now THAT's a pretentious title!

[Klep]

The Doctor is no doctor

Actually, presuming we're talking about the same Doctor, it's my understanding that he does have honorary degrees from a number of institutions.  At any rate, he's certainly bright enough to qualify.

[Machinus]

It is impossible to mind-control a Sith, in any form.

For comics readers, consider Peter Parker's "spider-sense." Multiply that by a billion and add the ability to see the future, and you will get a good idea of what it is like to be a powerful Sith lord. They will see it coming and set a perfect trap, in order to exert a mimimum amount of effort.

Remember the scene where Luke reveals to Vader that he has a sister? Think that was some limited gene-based telepathic ability? Nope, turns out Vader was channeling The cosmic Force. A non-force user has no chance against a Sith lord.

[Bram]

He doesn't call himself Doom - that's his real name, the one he was born with.

This above all is what I don't like about the character. Mark Rosewater had a column a while back about how writers can take improbable things too far, as in: the audience will forgive the writers certain oddities, but not others. An example would be how people are always going on about how on earth it's possible that Lois doesn't recognise Clark Kent when he takes off his glasses and dons a red cape. They refuse to believe this, while the notion of an flying alien strong enough to lift trains appears, strangely, to go over quite well. Applying this to the situations at hand: Viktor von DOOM? C'mon people! NOONE on EARTH is called Von Doom. Not even in eastern friggin' europe.

Also, how is darth a normal title? It's short for Dark Lord of the Sith, you know. Now THAT's a pretentious title!

Oh man. I never saw that. My initial reaction was 'no way is that true' but thinking about it, it kind of makes sense. Cool. By the way, has anyone seen the Sith Apprentice spoof? It's long and at times dull, but it's al worth it when the Emperor goes: 'Well done Vader; you truly are the Dark Lork of the Dance.' Now there's a title for ya!

 

[everythingitouchdies]

The bottom line is, none of them have anything on my boy charlie manson.

[dandan]

He doesn't call himself Doom - that's his real name, the one he was born with.

Also, how is darth a normal title? It's short for Dark Lord of the Sith, you know. Now THAT's a pretentious title!

Are you going to say that to him?

And if Doom's name is really Viktor von Doom he should be Doktor von Doom, shouldn't he? Or does that sound a bit like Doctor Van Doom, a Dutchie!! Perhaps Bram is Doom after all.

In any case, people with German sounding names in Eastern Europe after WWII had a very poor life expectancy. I'm also pretty sure that Doom is not a Slavic name and going off to study in the States was not something that happened a lot in communist countries (even less so going back home afterwards)

[Meddling Mike]

The Doctor is no doctor

Actually, presuming we're talking about the same Doctor, it's my understanding that he does have honorary degrees from a number of institutions.  At any rate, he's certainly bright enough to qualify.

Although Von Doom has significant scientific knowledge and ability, he lacks an advanced university degree. Von Doom apparently likes the sound of "Doctor Doom"; as the absolute ruler of a country, he simply started calling himself that. It has been suggested that Doom granted himself an honorary doctorate from a Latverian university, though he has never formally obtained a doctorate and considers it a mere technicality.

Ok, about the mind switching ability. Ok if Doom switched with Vader he would likley inherit some badass force powers, but the thing is, it takes years of practice to master one's force powers, years I'm guessing Vader wouldn't give Doctor Doom.

About the names, To be fair it's really not fair to either, Dr. Doom's last name is Doom, just the way he was written, and Darth Vader was GIVEN the name by Emperor Palpatine.

[jpmeyer]

IIRC, Doom granted himself an honorary degree from one of Latveria's universities.

[Matt]

Latveria has MULTIPLE universities?

Are you going to say that to him?

And you would call Doom pretentious to his face?

The Siths' titles are way more ridiculous than Doom's. Vader is a Dark Lord - but there's only two Sith in existence! Calling yourself a "Dark Lord" when you're actually the lowest ranking member...now that's what I call "compensating."

This above all is what I don't like about the character. Mark Rosewater had a column a while back about how writers can take improbable things too far, as in: the audience will forgive the writers certain oddities, but not others. An example would be how people are always going on about how on earth it's possible that Lois doesn't recognise Clark Kent when he takes off his glasses and dons a red cape. They refuse to believe this, while the notion of an flying alien strong enough to lift trains appears, strangely, to go over quite well. Applying this to the situations at hand: Viktor von DOOM? C'mon people! NOONE on EARTH is called Von Doom. Not even in eastern friggin' europe.

Do you really want to open up the can of worms that is Star Wars Plot Holes?

I also think that subject is interesting. I think people are willing to forgive the facts of the plot, but not to forgive errors relating to characters' motivations and inconsistencies in their personalities. Audiences still expect Lois to act rationally. They would be far more forgiving if a nonhuman didn't notice the glasses on/off thing, because they might not identify other beings by facial characteristics - but Lois is a human and does.

EDIT:
Haha, I watched that Sith Apprentice thing. The Emperor's vaguely southern accent was a little off-putting, but I laughed my ass off at the guy sitting to the Emperor's right (screen left).

[Bram]

Do you really want to open up the can of worms that is Star Wars Plot Holes?

I was just saying that while they could still call him Dr. Doom because it sounds vaguely ominous, they could have at least given him a somewhat more realistic actual name, like Viktor Domostev or whatever.

Haha, I watched that Sith Apprentice thing. The Emperor's vaguely southern accent was a little off-putting, but I laughed my ass off at the guy sitting to the Emperor's right (screen left).

What, the dude in the Starfleet uniform?

[Anusien]

This above all is what I don't like about the character. Mark Rosewater had a column a while back about how writers can take improbable things too far, as in: the audience will forgive the writers certain oddities, but not others. An example would be how people are always going on about how on earth it's possible that Lois doesn't recognise Clark Kent when he takes off his glasses and dons a red cape. They refuse to believe this, while the notion of an flying alien strong enough to lift trains appears, strangely, to go over quite well. Applying this to the situations at hand: Viktor von DOOM? C'mon people! NOONE on EARTH is called Von Doom. Not even in eastern friggin' europe.

Do you really want to open up the can of worms that is Star Wars Plot Holes?

So you're going to bring up Star Wars Plot Holesâ„¢ but you're going to ignore the consisten retconning of comics, and the 5 or 10 different backstories/origin stories for Doctor Doom?  Besides, Lightsaber >>> Powered Armor.

[Matt]

What, the dude in the Starfleet uniform?

Yes, although I was trying not to spoil it for anyone else!

[Dozer]

Doom's name is VIKTOR, which is a totally badass name.

Viktor van Vader does sound more than a little stupid.

Vader all the vay.

[Bram]

Now had his name been Viktor von Dutch, then he would be more badass. Except they'd have to call him Dr. Dutch, which is ever so slightly worse than Dr. Doom. Oh well.

[Matt]

Yeah, no one really takes the Dutch seriously after that whole tulip thing.

[dandan]

Personally I find the whole episode of the little boy sticking his finger in the dyke to stop the water flowing out rather distasteful and that, combined with the national football team playing in dayglo orange shirts with the wrong name of the country on them, really worries me about the Dutch.

I blame it on the drugs.

In any case, Vader is BIG. Dr. Doom wouldn't be face to face with him, more like at the level of his 'light sable'.