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« on: April 17, 2013, 08:21:35 am » |
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 The Catch half of this is quite interesting to me, as it can target planeswalkers, as well as all the usual good stuff: Time Vault, Colossus, Goyfs, etc. Good enough for a main deck slot in vintage? Probably not, as it doesn't actually solve the permanent -- just hands it to you temporarily. I'll still try it as a 1 of in Grixis control. Are there any vintage-worthy sacrifice outlets that this could combo with? Something better than a Greater Gargadon token? |
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I'm the only other legal target, so I draw 6 cards, and he literally quits Magic. Terrorists searching in vain for these powerful weapons have the saying "Bill Copes spitteth, and he taketh away." Team TMD |
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ModflyDesign
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2013, 09:36:11 am » |
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In a creature heavy meta that Vintage currently has, a sorcery speed steal spell is not even close to playable. Yes it says 'permanent' on it but 2 of 3 of your examples were creature problems. And if you steal a tapped time vault, how are you going to untap it? And if it's untapped they will just tap in response, no? If you need to play a bad 1 of, play Act of Aggression. It does the same thing 75% of the time and its instant speed if you need it.
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2013, 09:56:42 am » |
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In a creature heavy meta that Vintage currently has, a sorcery speed steal spell is not even close to playable. Yes it says 'permanent' on it but 2 of 3 of your examples were creature problems. And if you steal a tapped time vault, how are you going to untap it? And if it's untapped they will just tap in response, no? If you need to play a bad 1 of, play Act of Aggression. It does the same thing 75% of the time and its instant speed if you need it.
catch untaps it itself. I don't really see this being played but the effect for the price is pretty reasonable. Maybe as a sideboard card? I'm sure if you turned someone's blightsteel colossus on them it would make it seems pretty strong. I don't think many other creatures would be worth taking. Planeswalkers and time vaults are what this would be used on. |
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DubDub
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2013, 10:50:45 am » |
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If Release were playable I would give this a look. Would I play    Time Walk? Yes. When it requires my opponent to control Time Vault I'd rather destroy Time Vault. Would I play deal target opponent 11 poison? Yes. When it requires my opponent to control Blightsteel I'd rather bounce Blightsteel. Would I play take a Jace/Tezzeret/other-planeswalker activation? Maybe.... It seems best against Tezzeret1.0, because you can search and kill the Tezzeret. I think this will pass. Really though, if only Release were better! |
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Vintage is a lovely format, it's too bad so few people can play because the supply of power is so small.
Chess really changed when they decided to stop making Queens and Bishops. I'm just glad I got my copies before the prices went crazy.
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StanleyAugust
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2013, 11:01:11 am » |
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If Release were playable I would give this a look. Would I play Time Walk? Yes. When it requires my opponent to control Time Vault I'd rather destroy Time Vault. Would I play deal target opponent 11 poison? Yes. When it requires my opponent to control Blightsteel I'd rather bounce Blightsteel. Would I play take a Jace/Tezzeret/other-planeswalker activation? Maybe.... It seems best against Tezzeret1.0, because you can search and kill the Tezzeret. I think this will pass. Really though, if only Release were better! Why would you rather bounce your opponent's Blightsteel than dealing him 11 poison counters which would win the game on the spot? |
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Bill Copes
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2013, 12:56:11 pm » |
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I totally missed that it was a sorcery. Ugh.
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I'm the only other legal target, so I draw 6 cards, and he literally quits Magic. Terrorists searching in vain for these powerful weapons have the saying "Bill Copes spitteth, and he taketh away." Team TMD |
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DubDub
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2013, 01:36:09 pm » |
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If Release were playable I would give this a look. Would I play Time Walk? Yes. When it requires my opponent to control Time Vault I'd rather destroy Time Vault. Would I play deal target opponent 11 poison? Yes. When it requires my opponent to control Blightsteel I'd rather bounce Blightsteel. Would I play take a Jace/Tezzeret/other-planeswalker activation? Maybe.... It seems best against Tezzeret1.0, because you can search and kill the Tezzeret. I think this will pass. Really though, if only Release were better! Why would you rather bounce your opponent's Blightsteel than dealing him 11 poison counters which would win the game on the spot? I guess what I'm saying, which may not have come through, is that Time Walking and outright-winning are good. But, those situations are predicated on the opponent controlling VERY dangerous permanents that I can make use of for a turn. Obviously if offered the choice between winning by smacking them with their own Blightsteel, or bouncing said Blightsteel I would choose the win. What I'm saying is that the more reliable way to win games in the long run, at the deckbuilding stage, is to include the mix of bounce and counterspells etc that prevent Blightsteel from ever being a problem *for me.* Similarly Time Vault. I might be licking my chops to take their Time Vault for a spin, but if they just play Tezz1.0/Voltaic Key/Ral Zarek in the meantime I'm going to be upset this sorcery is in my hand instead of a Spell Pierce or Nature's Claim or what have you. This is why I am lamenting that Release is not playable. If it were, the deckbuilding opportunity cost would be so much lower that the rare benefit of Catch (or fusing the two) would be a welcome bonus. |
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Vintage is a lovely format, it's too bad so few people can play because the supply of power is so small.
Chess really changed when they decided to stop making Queens and Bishops. I'm just glad I got my copies before the prices went crazy.
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2013, 03:41:06 pm » |
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Didn't Magus of the Unseen see play once or twice in tezzeret decks? This seems similar, but... worse?
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Wagner
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2013, 04:34:47 pm » |
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Didn't Magus of the Unseen see play once or twice in tezzeret decks? This seems similar, but... worse?
Magus could also steal stuff from Stacks to sacrifice to Smokestacks, and prevent a Golem for swinging every turn. This this does nothing of that, but has the surprise effect. Not even close to playable. It does pretty much nothing aganst Stacks, Fish and Dredge and is too situational for a sideboard cards against blue. |
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