NEW B/R LIST IS UP

[jpmeyer]

http://www.wizards.com/dci/main.asp?x=Banned_Restricted_List_0303

Quote Every good "tutor" card is restricted in type 1. MYSTERY CARD is one of the best tutors left in Type 1, and it now joins Demonic Tutor, Demonic Consultation, Enlightened Tutor, etc. on the restricted list.

Oh, and look at this:

Quote Hurkyl's Recall no longer generates the ridiculous amounts of mana that it used to before the restriction of Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, and Grim Monolith. Without all of these artifacts that can easily produce more mana than they cost, we feel that Hurkyl's Recall no longer needs to be restricted. Further, we see Hurkyl's Recall as a nice potential sideboard card against many of the artifact-heavy decks.

Compare that to this:

Quote The problem with Hurkyl's Recall now is that since Mana Vault and Mana Crypt are restricted, Hurkyl's Recall doesn't generate very much mana.  As a bonus, an unrestricted Hurkyl's Recall would be useful as a sideboard card in blue decks to use against the numerous artifact-based that have sprung up recently in Type 1

My words or no?    \n\n

[erik]

OH MY GOD!

They unrestricted Berserk...*lol*

Ya'll better bow down before the mighty 'Tog, that's for sure...(as if you weren't already).

[Smmenen]

OMIGOD.

I've ruined the format.

I'm so very sorry.  

STeve

[Dreisgen]

Wow.....  At first I was thinking diabolic tutor or wordly tutor !?!??!  But that..... Who could have tought?

[Fishhead]

So why are Earthcraft and Entomb restricted now?  I really didnt see that one coming.  Maybe they didnt want us re-animating the mighty Arkoma.  

As for the Berserk, well well well.  So how many should you play in GroTog now?  Two?  It certainly settles that MD or SB argument -- now you can do both!  Lol.

[Ocifer]

Oh my god. Some of these are simply surprising. I'd have never thought they'd unrestrict the cards they did. I could see two of those, but that 3rd un-restriction is going to cause a stir.
And those restrictions! They make very little/no sense. I don't understands either of them. I'd have seen survival coming, but this!!!
Does anyone get them??

[waSP]

Earthcraft was restricted to silence the poor type 1.5 crowd who couldn't keep up.  Entomb hints at the same thing.  Cards in graveyards aren't generally resources.  And if they are there needs to be a card in hand to compliment it so i don't see how entomb is so utterly powerful. (wait a tic, it's not)

Mailbombing seems somewhat rational at this point.  

[Dreisgen]

OK, now we must think about decks with 4 berserk...

[TracerBullet]

All I have to say is....





I told you so.



Now I get to ask, What the Fuck on Entomb?  Have they been reading into RandomMiser's dumbass shit about Dragon?


What the Fuck?!?

[ZoneSeek]

Well this is duh material but yes, Dragon is dead / dying, AoS is dead, and Gro-atog just became even more insane.

[IllusionX]

Wow.

Just... wow.

Tog bad enough as is, but with 4 berserks... ick, wow... pick your prefrence...

Well, simply put, all your matches are belong to tog...

[erik]

Earthcraft I can understand. That's a two card infinite combo at least. But restricting Entomb because it's a "good tutor" is just ridiculous. How is this even remotely close to the power level of other un-restricted cards like Survival Of The Fittest, Replenish or Mishra's Workshop? Restrictions should be made because of power, not what chategory a card falls in...

[Nevyn]

god help us.

tog will be everywhere.

And what's with entomb? Even assuming that it was the problem with dragon, dragon was not that bad!\n\n

[Spizzard]

I wonder how long before they realize they made a mistake.... Now the joy/pain of getting 4 berserks....

[TunaBoo]

Holy shit this is stupid.

Grow a tog with 4 beserks.. good game boys.



On that note, what happens to beserks value? I am thinking it will go up to like $50 or something insane? They are hard to come bye, and now everyone wants 4.

P.S. They killed 2 combo decks. Can dragon live with only 1 entomb?  Squirrelcraft was one of the only viable combo deck in type 1.5, and it went poof. Now, aggro decks are back even more than before.... + 4 beserks. SICK.

[BillTheDuck]

JP made a good point to me, the entomb restriction was for 1.5. T1 dragons opt for burried alive, and they don't lose that much with the change.

Overall, this will stir up a format that didn't need it, but things will turn out ok. I'm just afraid I might be wrong.

[suicide_slushy]

This is some bullshit man, why don't they just ban every fucking card besides creatures without abilities, that way there will NEVER be another viable combo.  Watch them go as far as to restrict sapling burst...


I apologise for the language...but I am really...really disgusted by this.

[Saucemaster]

Well, it looks like my current favorite deck is going to get even better... and more popular... maybe i need to switch.  

Okay, so I say 3 Berkserks in GroAtog, but not 4--I don't want to draw one without a creature, and though they can get insane in multiples, I don't want to clog up my hand early game.  Two are probably mandatory now.  Opinions?

How many people think this just broke Tog?  I'm personally of the opinion that once the dust settles, it'll make Hulk Smash/GroAtog better, but not completely broken.  Regardless, it's gonna shake things up.

Quote On that note, what happens to beserks value? I am thinking it will go up to like $50 or something insane? They are hard to come bye, and now everyone wants 4.

Just finished placing an order for my second and third Berkserks--at about $25 each on average.  Hopefully I'm not getting screwed, but we'll see.  I'm speculating that for a little while, at least, they'll jump pretty high.

[Nevyn]

2-3 with an extra in the sb to wish for.

[dicemanX]

Axing Entomb and Earthcraft is just dumb. They were components of competitive combo decks that could be played by folks who have no power. And even with power, they weren't so dominating. Reanimator suffered a blow as well. These restrictions do nothing except limit the playing field just a little more.

Of course, the ultimate field-narrowing card WILL be Berserk. Welcome to Tog hell in type 1.

Idiots.

[Jebus]

Tog hasn't shown up in my area's meta as of yet, but I was starting to see the beginnings of it show up.  Now I see this.  This is not good for me.

[ScaldMonger]

Groatog/tog actually did make an appearance at NG, 2 of them on Sunday. The tog crapped out from what I remember to LAS sporting the 4 REB sideboard and the Groatog lost to me in the final.....which with 3-4 Berserks wouldn't have happened. I think a lot of decks will be splashing red for the REB come April. Maybe a resurgance of U/R trix?

[Vegeta2711]

Oh... fucking... hell...

About 1/2 my decks that I liked playing are going to probably be SOL. And come April 1, all my SB's get heavily revamped... I think 10-15 cards against tog works. ;_;

[Mith]

Trying to buy three more Beta Berserks is going to bankrupt me  Stupid Wizards...as much as I LOVE GrowATog, I don't think that Vintage needed this.

[jpmeyer]

Quote (ScaldMonger @ Mar. 03 2003,18:38)Groatog/tog actually did make an appearance at NG, 2 of them on Sunday. The tog crapped out from what I remember to LAS sporting the 4 REB sideboard and the Groatog lost to me in the final.....which with 3-4 Berserks wouldn't have happened. I think a lot of decks will be splashing red for the REB come April. Maybe a resurgance of U/R trix?

There definitely will be a revival of Necro-Donate

[routedashf]

I went down to a store that has monthly Type 1 tourneys here in Denver and saw two GroAtog decks - there would have been three if I had made it by start time.

Personally, I don't think 4 berserks is necessary or desired.  Just because it isn't restricted means a deck should have four.  I will probably run one maindeck and one in the board for a wish target.  More than that means drawing 1-2 with 0 creatures, most of the time.

[Vegeta2711]

I want my 4 Vises and Necro while were out unrestricting crap, plz, thx.  

[Hyperion]

The unrestriction of Berserk was something a lot of people wanted on these boards not long ago. Of course it was before GrowAtog got big, but I feel comfortable in giving WotC the benefit of the doubt that they would recognize its interaction with Psychatog, and the concept of the Grow archetype in general is not new. Will it make GrowAtog better? Probably, but it was already very good. I don't know the deck well enough to say whether it will be fundamentally changed by this unrestriction or not (except for those decks running Intuition, obviously), and whether it will be enough to break the metagame. Just goes to show us that we should be careful what we wish for, because we just might get it.  

I agree that the Entomb and Earthcraft restrictions were uncalled for, though. I don't recall seeing much discussion on the need for these to be restricted, so I think the fault lies solely with Wizards and their combo-hating policy in this case.

[Deletehead]

Sweet, now R/G w/Reckless Charge can kill turn 1...  .
I think unrestricting Berserk was questionable but you won't
hear me complain, now they just need to bring back Vice and
Necro and things could get really stupid, tournaments would
last like 20 minutes and then we'd all just stand around wondering why we came in the first place...

[TunaBoo]

Entomb is weird, as it doesn't put anything in your hand.

Think they are going to do something to wishes? They are a "tutor" for restricted cards.