Who has the biggest Magic Pen0r (who owns the most P9)

[Magi]

I ask this question because one of the local dealers who is a good friend of mine acquired his 54th!! piece of P9 this weekend. Now, I'm sure he doesn't have 6 complete sets, but he has a mish mash of some BB and WB stuff, some CE, all varying conditions. Also his pride and joy is a complete nm set of WB P9 that if PSA graded each piece would easily get a 9 or maybe a 10. This is on top of all the pimp shit he has, and by virtue of being a dealer he has a lot.

I asked around a bit and KandyKid told me some Italian guy on MOTL owns around 2% of all the power ever printed. Anyone confirm this?

Anyone on TMD have astronomical amounts of P9 and would like the opportunity to flex their magic shaft? Post here!

I myself only own 1 piece (and it's not even a "real" power card, it's an artist proof Twister from Tedin which has crazy art drawn on the back, and it's worth close to a real Twist so I'm counting it) so in the T1 World my pen0r is only like . long. I'll get more eventually...

[VGB]

By virtue of having an entire Unlimited set, I have 1 set of P9.  My Ruby, Lotus, and Pearl are all mint, with the rest ranging from NM to EX and my Jet being the worst at VF.

All told, I have owned 3 Lotii, having sold one and the other having been played to literal tatters.

[Outlaw]

I believe Jeff Anand (Samite Healer) has roughly 37 pieces of power, rumors of a splendid genesis and a mox crystal?

[jcb193]

3 Lotuses (2 beta)
3 Ancestrals (1 Beta)
Beta Mox Set
Unlimted Mox Set
Alpha Mox Set

Though i've been piecing these off bit by bit, as they aren't the investment they once were.....Plus, now that people play T1 again, it's greedy to hold it all in my binder.

jb

[Hi-Val]

As a side note of political value and probably worth it's own thread, it bothers me that collectors are hoarding power. Yes, they have a right to buy it just as much as I do, but I don't know that it gets the same use. The cards aren't out there being played, massive amounts of them sit in binders. All they do there is drive the prices up for other pieces of power, making entry level even higher for new players.

[Dr. Sylvan]

My theory on that issue is that there are so few of these cards overall that even cutting the pricetag in half would only have a marginal return in terms of the number of people who will go that far to get the cards. People were complaining about the insane cost when Moxes were $100, and most players' price tolerance for a card that they just want to play is more in the $20 neighborhood. So if someone wants to buy up 100 pieces of Power, they are more than welcome to. I just hope that they have insurance, keep them very safe, and enjoy the way that their body pulsates with the raw power of the Force granted to them by such extensive collections.

[Revvik]

Proxy rules be damned, it IS hard for the format to grow into Wizards endorsement.  Speaking strictly as a player, I'd prefer they saw some action.
I myself own a whopping two - an Unlimited Time Walk (pretty worn at the edges) and an Unlimited Ancestral Recall (signed and with the alien invasion motif commonly found).  The Ancestral (along with most of my 'Tog deck) took a dive in the snow in January.  Most of the deck survived unharmed (foils are nicely water resistant) but the Ancestral needed a curing session in the microwave to prevent moisture damage and mold  

[Matt]

Once I sneezed on a Mox. True* story!


*false

[Meddling Mike]

I can attest to the fact that Samite Healer does indeed have a large number of power cards, however I've heard stories from him about a friend of his whose collection of power dwarfs his own and I've never heard a story of anybody owning more power than that gentleman.

I myself own a mere UL mox ruby, however I'm always trying to acquire more.

[Bram]

From us Dutch guys, I think Roy owns the most power, and Menno the most pimp cards overall.

Roy has a minty Beta set of his own, and has an almost complete spare Beta set. He's also looking into getting another UL set.

Me, I own 1 Garfield-signed-in-gold BB power set (most BE, some AL. All of them minty save the Ruby). I recently sold every single non-T1 playable card I own so I only now have one pretty amazing binder left, including full BB power, LoA, 4 english minty Drains, 4 minty Shops, a full set of germanBB duals, and all the current and past T1 ' staples'  (beta wheel, demonic, sol ring etc. what I don't have Beta, I have asianBB).

It's good enough for me (and means that as of yesterday, I'm forever done with trading/buying) but my collection is dwarfed by Roy (Ancestral)'s and Menno (Mrieff)'s. And their in turn are drawfed by what I hear in this thread

I do know a guy who has a full set of Summer, however. That must count for something

[dandan]

I ask this question because one of the local dealers who is a good friend of mine acquired his 54th!! piece of P9 this weekend. Now, I'm sure he doesn't have 6 complete sets, but he has a mish mash of some BB and WB stuff, some CE, all varying conditions. ...

IMHO CE isn't proper Power. I have it all minus the Walk although only the Timetwister is Beta. I do have some major gaps in my 'collection' like Vampiric because I always disliked getting the card next turn (there was a time when we didn't all play Brainstorm!).

[ChaosTheory]

Well, I don't have any at this time, I am getting some

I have a signed Unlimited Timetwister coming in the mail as I write this, and next month I've got a deal going with a friend for an Unlimited Ancestral and another Timetwister.
I'm also getting 2 NM Italian Drains from him.

One day I hope to attain 4 sets of power. 1 of each Alpha, Beta, Unlimited, then 1 set for me to play with, preferrably all signed.

[Kowal]

There was a brief period around November or December when I bought out a friend's collection and had five Timetwisters, but overall my collection's never been that out of hand.  I'm all for deck pimping and collecting pet cards, but hoarding power seems worthless unless you're a dealer.

[Necrologia]

I'm all for deck pimping and collecting pet cards, but hoarding power seems worthless unless you're a dealer.

If more people believed in this the world would be a better place.

I do have a few random pimp cards, but most of them I got ages ago when I didn't even know their value. I picked up my foil Tinker, for instance, when I was just looking for Tinker #4. The foil happened to be the only one I could find.

Outside of that stuff though I've got 4 English Drains, 3 minty, 1 less so, and 4 pieces of power. They range in condition from a minty Twister and almost minty Sapphire, to a Jet and Emerald that are best described as "at least they're not held together with tape." As far as I'm concerned 2 beat moxen > 1 PSA graded Mox, but hey, that's just me. I'll wait until I've got a set before I get picky about condition.

[Machinus]

As a side note of political value and probably worth it's own thread, it bothers me that collectors are hoarding power. Yes, they have a right to buy it just as much as I do, but I don't know that it gets the same use. The cards aren't out there being played, massive amounts of them sit in binders. All they do there is drive the prices up for other pieces of power, making entry level even higher for new players.

If you owned a card store or online vendor, this would be the exact policy you tried to enforce. Owning more pieces + higher prices per piece = more profit. Profit is how SCG stays in business, and how we have tournaments at all. Of course it is ridiculous to have stacks of power being unplayed in a warehouse somewhere, waiting for some idiot to buy them off for $1000 apiece, but every Vintage player has to come to terms with this issue before they can play powered decks. Some people don't do it, and they play budget decks, or don't play competitive Vintage. Magic cards are a commodity, and we have all bought in to the market at some level or another, whether financially or philosophically.

[Mykeatog]

One of my bosses has greater than 400 pieces.

F_O_U_R H_U_N_D_R_E_D.

[xrizzo]

I have a full set of BB power, with about 10 extra pieces floating around.

Since 2004, I have owned and sold about 40 pieces.

[ViRidIAnLoNGBoW]

meddling mage wrote:

I can attest to the fact that Samite Healer does indeed have a large number of power cards, however I've heard stories from him about a friend of his whose collection of power dwarfs his own and I've never heard a story of anybody owning more power than that gentleman.

I know jeff's friend, and he ownes some 30 full sets of power as well as pieces not in sets.  He also has more mana drains than anyone that I have ever seen, somthing like 15-20 full pages.  Thats what you get when you have been buying cases since alpha came out.

I personally own 3 unlimited moxes, a beta emerald, and a twister.  I also have a FOIL lotus, which despite being completely fake is the cooloest part of my collection.

[jpmeyer]

I think I remember hearing that according to print runs, there should be something like 1,000 Mishra's Workshop playsets.  Does anyone know or has anyone calculated how many P9 sets should exist based on printruns?

[knickers]

I think I remember hearing that according to print runs, there should be something like 1,000 Mishra's Workshop playsets.  Does anyone know or has anyone calculated how many P9 sets should exist based on printruns?

This would be very interesting to find out.

I've only been playing for 3 years now.
I'm from Newfoundland, Canada and getting power is a pain.
I’ve managed to find 7 pieces of power, 3 of them being from Ebay.com and the others local. Not too many people around here own power … sadly … but there is one local fellow that owns multiple copies of power, but he doesn’t want to sell or trade …
I’m still looking for that Time Walk, and Black Lotus. I’ll get it one day …

[xrizzo]

I think I remember hearing that according to print runs, there should be something like 1,000 Mishra's Workshop playsets.  Does anyone know or has anyone calculated how many P9 sets should exist based on printruns?

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe there is something like 1,000 alpha rares each, 3,000 beta rares, and 26,000 unlimited rares each.

Thus only 30,000 P9 sets were ever printed.  Take away all the ones ruined, lost, in Samite Healer's friends' collection, etc, and you have much fewer.

[Razvan]

I think I remember hearing that according to print runs, there should be something like 1,000 Mishra's Workshop playsets.  Does anyone know or has anyone calculated how many P9 sets should exist based on printruns?

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe there is something like 3,000 alpha rares each, and 24,000 beta rares each.

Thus only 27,000 P9 sets were ever printed.  Take away all the ones ruined, lost, in Samite Healer's friends' collection, etc, and you have much fewer.

Err... so how about Unlimited?

1100 Alpha, 3300 Beta, and either 11000 or 22000 Unlimited.

So around 15000 or 16000 sets. Not too hot.

[xrizzo]

Err... so how about Unlimited?

1100 Alpha, 3300 Beta, and either 11000 or 22000 Unlimited.

So around 15000 or 16000 sets. Not too hot.

...to me, playing with white border cards is like playing with proxies.    (which is why I forgot about unlimited)

I fixed the error above...

[jpmeyer]

Err... so how about Unlimited?

1100 Alpha, 3300 Beta, and either 11000 or 22000 Unlimited.

So around 15000 or 16000 sets. Not too hot.

I think that was about right.

[Machinus]

So around 15000 or 16000 sets. Not too hot.

Just for comparison, there are 20,163 DCI-ranked Vintage players in the world.

[Whatever Works]

Err... so how about Unlimited?

1100 Alpha, 3300 Beta, and either 11000 or 22000 Unlimited.

So around 15000 or 16000 sets. Not too hot.

I think that was about right.

I think its higher... and by that I mean around 30,000... However, how many of those 30000 sets you can only speculate. Cards get lost, ripped (because people dont know value/or idiots), etc.

There are probably well over 1000 sets of power hiding in the closet of some 30 year old married mans house who is just unaware of vaule or has completely forgot about magic.

Personally I own the full P9. With the Ancestral recall being beta signed, and having my mox pearl Alpha, and the ruby being Beta.

The most Power I have ever seen a person own was at the last Gencon where this 1 dealer had over 600+ pieces (at a minimum probably way more) of power. He owned 80 Black Lotus, and had a beta Gem Mint 10, and about 5 Gem mint Unlimited eddition... It must have cost a ton to have every single 1 of those graded.

[Kowal]

There are way more than the numbers come to, because it's inevitable someone's learned how to fake them accurately enough for them to enter circulation as normal magic cards.

I give mad props to the people who can counterfeit that well--  Makes the entry level for this gig much lower.

[Jacob Orlove]

There was also that process for turning CEs into *real* betas by washing off the gold ink with chemicals.

Of course, back in '93, there was "ironman magic". :<

[johnstown713]

One of the dealers around here that I associate with is up to 92 Mana Drains and roughly 75 pieces of power.  I have seen all this in person so can account for it although my word means nothing.  The guy also has roughly 45 Beta/Alpah Duals

As for myself I have 1 Full BB P9 Set and 6 Beta Duals.  I sold all my Summer cards though.

[ctthespian]

This was obtained from Crystalkeep.com and should be pretty accurate.

Magic: The Gathering:
   Alpha      2.6 million cards   50% starter/50% booster
   Beta      7.8 million cards   50% starter/50% booster
   Unlimited    40 million cards   33% starter/67% booster
   Revised      600 million cards   25% starter/75% booster
   Fourth       700 million cards **   33% starter/67% booster

    Collector's Sets: (Gold Borders)
        United States     3 million cards       1 of each card per set
        International   1.5 million cards       1 of each card per set

    Expansions:
   Arabian Nights     5 million cards
   Antiquities    15 million cards
   Legends       35 million cards
   The Dark    62 million cards
   Fallen Empires   360 million cards
   Ice Age         400 million cards **    33% starter/67% booster
   Chronicles      250 million cards **
   Homelands       200 million cards

    Promotional Cards:
   DragonCon       275,000 cards (estimated)
   Arena          150,000 cards (estimated)
   Sewers of Estark    150,000 cards (estimated)
   Windseeker Centaur  100,000 cards (estimated)
   Giant Badger        100,000 cards (estimated)
   Mana Crypt           75,000 cards (estimated)
   Ice Age Promo     4,000,000 cards (all commons)

The important part!

1,100  Alpha Rare
        4,500  Alpha Uncommon
       16,000  Alpha Common
       85,500  Alpha Land (per picture)

        3,200  Beta Rare
       13,500  Beta Uncommon
       48,000  Beta Common
      171,500  Beta Land (per picture)

             5,000  International Collector's Set
            10,000  Collector's Set

        4,300  Limited Rare (Alpha+Beta)
       18,000  Limited Uncommon (Alpha+Beta)
       64,000  Limited Common (Alpha+Beta)
      228,500  Limited Land (Alpha+Beta) (per picture)

       18,500  Unlimited Rare
       68,000  Unlimited Uncommon
      244,500  Unlimited Common
      872,500  Unlimited Land (per picture)

       20,500  Arabian U2
       31,000  Arabian U3 -or- Arabian C1
       41,000  Arabian U4
      124,000  Arabian C4
      155,000  Arabian C5
      341,000  Arabian Deserts

       31,000  Antiquities U1
       62,000  Antiquities U2
       93,000  Antiquities U3 -or- Antiquities C1
      186,000  Antiquities C2
      372,000  Antiquities C4

So there are 22,800 sets of power out there.

Only 7750 playsets of Bazaars out there the same for Workshops.

Also there can only be 1075 full playsets of Alpha or Beta duals. (I have 1 )

-Keith