Pastimes(Chicago, IL) Emerald on 5/28/06

[GAUDARD]

Well, if you're looking for the winner's report, you' aren't going to find it here. Heck I didn't even top 8, but I played.

Round 1

team GWS guy playing IT

Game 1 (lose the roll)
 
He starts out kinda slow, turn 1 land and a mox and nothing else. I think I played a Sphere of Resistance. He plays and Brainstorm and then on his turn he plays a Lotus Petal and then another land. Then I play a Tangle Wire. A few turns go by with little action I play Tangle Wire #2 in here somewhere, eventually he play a Mystical Tutor for Hurkls Recall, but doesn't play it on his upkeep. Then I play Sphere of Resistance #2. A turn or two go by with little action, then while he is tapped out from Tangle Wire I play Sphere of Resistance #3 while he still only the Lotus Petal, Mox, and 2 land.  A few more turns to by, and I get a Crucible Wasteland going, and a turn or two more and I play Karn and he scoops.

Game 2

This game was even worse for him, he mulligains. I play a Smokestack on turn 1 and it starts killin' things. I think he makes it to 0 permanents and then I play another lock piece and he scoops.

Round 2

Dan Carp

Game 1 (I lose the roll)

He leads with turn 1 Oath giving me a token. I lead with turn 1 Smokestack. He starts beating me, I start ramping up Smokestack. I slow him down with a Tangle Wire. Eventually I'm at 5 and he has no permanents. Smokestack then goes away, and he play another 'turn 1 Oath' and I can't do anything about it..APNAP is over rated.

Game 2

He mulligains to 4. I'm actually feelin' kinda bad at this point, I mean 4 cards, who can win with 4 cards? I guess it can happen in Vintage... I play a Ancestral Recall on turn 1, play some mana artifacts and pass. He plays an Oath off a Mox and a Forbidden Orchard. *blink* then I play a Smokestack and he Force of Wills pitching Mystical Tutor. *blink* Where do I sign up to do stuff like this? Maybe I'm playing the wrong deck... This is really the game I wanted to complain about... maybe I was on tilt and thus didn't top 8 because of it...

Round 3

Playing against 5c Stax, yuck.

Game 1

I double mulligain.... *sigh* I lead with a whole bunch of nothing, and he plays good stuff. He eventually gets a Smokestack, and another Smokestack to clear my board of nothing, and that's all she wrote. The game felt a lot closer than that, because I did play somestuff, but I was really just playing catchup all game.

Game 2

I play some stuff, and he plays some stuff. We have a little Goblin Welder war with both of us trying to play him, and then trying to kill the other.. He eventually wins, gets Smokestack going... and I'm dead eventually. I did screw up once that I know of, I play an Imerial Seal in this game and don't really know what to get, I think I got a land but it just got Wasted.

Round 4

Modified Extended Ichorid (with Watery Graves...)

Game 1

Well I know what this guy is playing, and Ichorid isn't exactly a favorable matchup... I mulligain twice because my hand did nothing agianst Ichorid, and Sundering Titan loves to be in my opening hand.... I think I'm going to put Black Lotus in that sleeve.  I do some stuff that doesn't matter and he gets an Ashen Ghoul online, and I do nothing about it... game over.

Game 2

I get an early Smokestack and Tangle wire, but take some Ichorid beats... APNAP sucks! I eventually clear his board, RFG is grave and that seals the deal.

Game 3

This one is a little closer, I RFG his grave a few times, play a Smokestack somewhere, play a Choke to slow him down... I get down to 4 between beats and my lands, but I eventually stabilize with lots of permantents and him with none, he then concedes once he has no hand, graveyard, and board.

Round 5

Team GWS playing fish maybe? or u/r/w aggro?
Pair up, how lucky. He doesn't even ask to concede. But I can't since I have a friend that will have 10 points.

Game 1

He plays a Gorilla Shaman I play a Sphere of Resistance, he beats and Ninjitsus... He gets some card drawing in, I eventually stall with a Tangle Wire. Then get Crucible Strip going and lock up the game.

Game 2

Very similar to game 1. I get a Tangle Wire to stall, get a Crucible Wasteland or Strip Mine going, and lock up the game again.

Had I not won, he'd have made top 8, my friend would have not made top 8, and thus not have won. I placed 10th of 26 players.

[AngryPheldagrif]

Much as I love you, it was my brother who mulled to 4 and annihilated you round 2. I scrubbed the heck out.

[AJFirst]

^^^ I can vouch for that. I was playing against an Oath deck sitting next to Dan round 3, and he was telling me how bad his draws were last round, only to have me watch him rip mana source after mana source.

Scrubbing "the fuck out" isn't very fun, but you know what's worse? Being the only 10-pointer to not make it. That's right, 3-1-1, 10 points, 9th place. It's because Becker also went the way of the scrubs.

I'd have to say, of all Type 1 venues, Pastimes local tournements has the best scrubs. There are always 3-4 no-names like myself kicking some ass against all of the top-team players.

The worst part of getting ninth? I had amazing match-ups against 6 of the 8. I didn't bother checking what my match-ups would have been, but that sucks. It also sucks that a top eight here would have meant me going 3/3 of the last tournements' top eights. It's amazing how well I can do in a field of Oath players. Only Dan can really hand my ass to me, but man does he do it well. In tournement play:

Me vs. ICBM Oath - 6-1 games, 3-0 matches
Me vs. Dan Carp with ICBM Oath - 1-4, 0-2 matches, and the only "win" was because he messed up registration so I got a game win. Platinum Angel is BASICALLY Pithing Needle...

Is this a playskill thing? I'm better at Slaver than everyone else with Oath, even enough to make the bad match-up winnable? Or is it a draw thing? Are my draws that good and theirs that bad? Do I just top-deck junk like a pro against Carp, but the match-up is surprisingly winnable? Only more testing will show...

Anyway, again, a good tournement, it was fun seeing all of you guys, even if that bastard Soly wasn't there, and I'll catch you next time.
-AJ

[M.Solymossy]

I had to go and anihalate the south milwaukee tournament until ben "im horrible but lucky" roberts topdecked FIVE STRIAGHT answers to beat me.  ho this was only after game 2 when he opens with mox land chalice, i force, he drops a chalice, and then an oath.

my hand was lotus sapphire tinker tolarian island force and random blue card. 

[yespuhyren]

Me vs. Dan Carp with ICBM Oath - 1-4, 0-2 matches, and the only "win" was because he messed up registration so I got a game win. Platinum Angel is BASICALLY Pithing Needle...

Is this a playskill thing? I'm better at Slaver than everyone else with Oath, even enough to make the bad match-up winnable? Or is it a draw thing? Are my draws that good and theirs that bad? Do I just top-deck junk like a pro against Carp, but the match-up is surprisingly winnable? Only more testing will show...

Probably a luck thing   Against Gaudard, he got 2 turn 1 Oath/Orchard/Mox, one being with 4 cards in hand.  All I know is, with lucky opening hands like that he should be quitting magic and at the tracks.

[Tha Gunslinga]

Probably a luck thing   Against Gaudard, he got 2 turn 1 Oath/Orchard/Mox, one being with 4 cards in hand.  All I know is, with lucky opening hands like that he should be quitting magic and at the tracks.

That was ME.  Not DAN.  ME.  And yes, out of an entire tournament worth of games I will get lucky occasionally.

[yespuhyren]

Ah, damnit man, I don''t know who's who lol

It's all good, getting lucky is half the game.  My teammate David (goobafish) took my cards to a tournament once, and use my Stax deck.  He ended up getting first turn trini in all 3 games.  BTW trini WAS restricted then

[TimDeluxeIt]

Soly, you're such a loud mouth hippocrit and a sore loser. If your gonna complain about the ass beating I gave you to split, you should really start another thread.

[M.Solymossy]

Dude, you're a horribly bad player, and are extremely lucky.  EVERYONE there who saw that knew.  You boarded HORRIBLY wrong, and I DESTROYED you when Skill actually mattered in game 1.  Game 2 you had DOUBLE chalice when I had artifact as mana, and game 3 you topddecked literally FIVE cards to beat me.  I will say it here, you are a terrible player and deserved nothing of that prize you got. 

I love how you never do well with anyhting that isn't mindless (oath).

[TimDeluxeIt]

I guess your right, I must be EXTREMELLY lucky you know top eighting at the Gran Prix and the last 5 out of the 8 tournaments ive played in. Doesn't half your team that makes top eights consistentally play oath? And you telling me that draining my force and then burning wishing into mind twist took a ton of skill?

[M.Solymossy]

Your right.  Half my team does play oath.  But wait, didn't my team MAKE that list?  Wait, didn't dan make Gilded claw AND nexus?  Doesn't tommy play Stax?  I@n's played a lot of different decks.

We'll settle this at the next event.  I hate nothing more than when garbage players take money they don't deserve away from me.  You're garbage, and I'll prove it net event.  Simple as that.

[Tha Gunslinga]

Jesus fucking Christ can you dumbasses shut up?

[AngryPheldagrif]

What Ben said.

[AJFirst]

What Dan said.

Soly, you still need a Weird Harvest for Heartbeat? I got a foil Russian Ninth edition one for you if you still want it.

Ben, I'm messaging you right now.

As for the rest of you, Oath will own your soul. Trust me.
-AJ

[assassin]

Soly once in your life have some tact.  Ben consistently plays well and i believe Ben Carp said Ben Roberts was the only person to beat him in a mirror match in recent history, so Ben must know how to play the deck well.  Soly you could have just been happy playing well and taking fourth but instead you chose to embarrass yourself and your team, good game.  You looked like an ass just like you looked like an ass when you blew up on tommy at Games Universe.

[AngryPheldagrif]

Soly once in your life have some tact.  Ben consistently plays well and i believe Ben Carp said Ben Roberts was the only person to beat him in a mirror match in recent history, so Ben must know how to play the deck well.  Soly you could have just been happy playing well and taking fourth but instead you chose to embarrass yourself and your team, good game.  You looked like an ass just like you looked like an ass when you blew up on tommy at Games Universe.

Even I can vouch for Ben Roberts' playskill. His piloting of a very similar Oath list to I believe part of the 4-way Madison Lotus split impressed even me.

[Tha Gunslinga]

Wait, was this the same guy who beat me at Blue Frog, who I subsequently beat in the top 8?  Yeah, he's a fairly good Oath player.  I'm sure he could handle a competent Slaver player.

[AJFirst]

I think he was my first tournement play infinit slaver lock. Yawg's Will to tinker up crucible, ancestral, lotus, time walk, brainstorm, fetch, thirst. I then went to my time walk turn and ripped Demonic Tutor like a pro going to get Seat of the Synod.

I may very well be thinking of someone else, but whatever.
-AJ

[assassin]

Yeah Ben beat you in swiss and then lost to you in the first round of elimination.  I dont think his playskill needs to be questioned.  I think him top 8ing in 5 out of 6 tourneys hes played oath in should prove that he's a little more then a garbage player who got lucky.

[TimDeluxeIt]

AJ First,
Ive never been infitite locked by slaver. Are you the dood who looks young with the long black hair from passtimes with the friend that tried to say he fixed IT? Nah we've never played, I think you met me at the lake forest oasis after the college of dupage tournament.

[M.Solymossy]

I've top 8ed a lot of tournaments, top4ed many more, split cash, split power, won a shop, and won a bazaar.

meh....

[AJFirst]

AJ First,
Ive never been infitite locked by slaver. Are you the dood who looks young with the long black hair from passtimes with the friend that tried to say he fixed IT? Nah we've never played, I think you met me at the lake forest oasis after the college of dupage tournament.

That's right, and yes that's me, although I got it cut. I remember I met you at that tournement, and that is where I got my first infinit lock, but I guess it wasn't against you if..you know...we've never played and all.

As for the little tiff that's going on here, Soly, nobody's questioning your playskill so you should just let him play his game, even if you think it's bad. It's his perrogative, and if it's working out well for him than let him do his thing since he's obviously got something going his way, and his teamates and friends are all vouching for him. You hit the rough beats, it happens sometimes, but it's no reason to get all worked up and even disklike a person because of his draws. That seems terrible. You're a good player, and both you guys have solid accomplishments and should just drop it.

Anyway, I'm working with Josh (and by "Working with" I mean "forcing") to set up another Type 1 tournement for power. Last time the prize was not bad at all, and the one time it was sandpapered he said they did kind of dick the prize structure, but that it won't happen again, so hopefully we can set it up so it's on a day with little activity going on in the rest of the world so everybody can come out for this one. It'd be nice to have all you guys out here. Whenever you are it's always a blast. I'll hopefully see you soon.
-AJ

Edit :: After re-reading what I typed it kind of seems like I'm taking a dig at Ben, and cheap-shotting him while talking to Soly, but I'm not at all. What I'm trying to say is you're doing your thing and it's working, and you can't argue with results.

[M.Solymossy]

I'm gunna state it here for the record, that I don't dislike Ben.  I think he's a good guy.  I just think I got totally served by the luckiest topdecks I've seen in a LONG time.  I also question why, when KNOWING that I play Jesters Cap, AND with the possibility that I had duplicant in my list (Since It used to be there) why he didn't sideboard in more creatures. I also question why he kept his game 2 hand against me, since it honestly didn't develop much other than double chalice, which seemed to randomly beat me (when it normally shouldn't).

I have been working with Rich Shay via Magic Workstation however, learning numerous ways to beat our oath build with Control Slaver.  It can be done.  I've been approaching the match completely wrong.


And I'll state it again ben, although I was on serious tilt (Losing 80 dollars in prize doesn't bother me until I realize that I broke myself entering the damned tournament) I really hope you don't hold comments in bad regards to you as a person.  I think your sideboarding proceedure WAS trash, I'll openly admit that, but it's nothing to do with you as a person.  You topdecked 5 straight answers for me.  It happens, I'm over it.  I was more pissed because I was trying to prove the changes I made to Slaver made it much more stable in the CS-ICBM Oath Matchup, and to get beaten when I had everything in your hand marked down because of that duress was seriously frustrating. 

ANYWAYS:::::::::::::::::::::

On Topic:   I hope they do more events, and that dumbasses at other stores don't try to compete with Pastimes, because it is a losing battle.   I really wish I would have shown at pastimes instead, but having all our team at one mox tournamnet when there was a second event scheduled at the hometown wasn't very practical at all.


@ AJ:  I hope I finally will get to play you in the CS CS mirror some time.  I feel like I'm back at home playing the deck  I played from mid/late2004 - early 2006.   I'd love to play that match, considering you seem to be pretty compitant with the deck.  Yes, that is a challenge.

@ the others:  Hopefully you guys will be able to make the Milwaukee tournaments as well as future pastimes events.

[GAUDARD]

Their prizes were really good. Best I've seen, there were only 26 players but they gave prizes to the entire top 8. Including duals to 8-3 I think.


Game one against Dan he played a turn 1 oath, and I played a turn 1 smokestack... it's like we were both pritty lucky... but the force was stronger in his...

[M.Solymossy]

Dan and ben are both pretty good with Oath. 

we at ICBM have a theory that I learned after watching Smennen play grimlong.   EVERY TIME at richmond when I walked past him starting his matches, he had Either Lotus + ritual + ridiculousness (like bargain)  or he would have land ancestral lotus necro.  So here's the ICBM theory on good players. 

Good Players ALWAYS start with their best cards in hand.

Maybe it's Mike Long Syndrome?

[AJFirst]

@ AJ:  I hope I finally will get to play you in the CS CS mirror some time.  I feel like I'm back at home playing the deck  I played from mid/late2004 - early 2006.   I'd love to play that match, considering you seem to be pretty compitant with the deck.  Yes, that is a challenge.

Haha, alright man, you're on. I love playing the mirror, but there's only one other Pastimes local that plays it, and he's somewhat inexperianced so it's usually a little one sided, so I gracefully accept your challenge. I'd also be interested in seeing your developed technology to make the ICBM Oath match-up better. I seem to be losing about 60% of the time outside of tournements, but winning in them (except against Dan) and would love to know how to make it more consistant. Right now I have Dupe main, but he gets boarded out because of SSS, which is just lame.

I have one card that I'm testing right now that's really good against Oath, but not so good against most other decks in the format so if I'm expecting more Oath again next time, I'll definitly throw them in the board, and hopefully testing will prove correct and it'll be savage. Hopefully.
-AJ

[Jacob Orlove]

Someone finally reported a post in this thread, so I took a look at it. Verbal warnings to the idiots. Closed.