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« on: July 26, 2006, 01:54:08 pm » |
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First of all, the link: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/selecting10e/7Now, ordinarily, I wouldn't really ask TMD to go vote, because in the standard two-card vote the winner typically wins by something like a thousand votes (out of maybe ten thousand total votes). It's possible that TMD could just barely tip the scales back, but unlikely. We can certainly muster hundreds of votes, but not thousands. This vote is different. With ELEVEN dragons to split up the casual crowd, a few hundred votes could easily make the difference between first and second place. Okay, that's why you all have to go vote. Now, as for why, Thunder Dragon is a starter rare that's outrageously expensive, which means that it's effectively banned from Legacy (and, to a lesser extent, Vintage, although we have proxies and no real need for the card). Legacy reanimator could really use him, and he'd probably see some play in other formats too, which is cool. The main reason, though, is that if we can show them that people are okay with a Thunder Dragon reprint, that gives us more leverage to try to get Imperial Seal reprinted. |
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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2006, 02:21:24 pm » |
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This vote is the first one that's actually important. Most of the dragons are junk or just not well-loved, but Two-Headed Dragon is a BELOVED card by casual crowds, and Thunder is going to need all the help it can get to beat T-HD.
Also, it's not JUST imperial seal; Grim Tutor is another freakishly hard to find Starter rare, which would make a fine reprint.
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2006, 03:21:26 pm » |
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I cast my vote. Thunder is definitely the most interesting dragon, as the rest have either been printed recently and basically ignored, or just aren't that interesting to begin with (Volcanic Dragon?). Portal/Starter Reprints would be terrific, Imperial Seal in standard/legacy would be amazing.
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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2006, 03:39:24 pm » |
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When the saw the title of this post in all caps, I initially was kind of put off, but now that I've seen the content of said post, I'm inclined to agree. If we can get this card reprinted, we probably should. I will vote for Thunder Dragon.
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2006, 04:33:27 pm » |
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Hmmm. I was originally going to vote for Rathi Dragon because I think it's the most likely to see play in the other formats, but you've put up a very good case for choosing Thunder Dragon and promoting the proliferation of Portal reprints.
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2006, 06:02:36 pm » |
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I took a quick browse at MTGsalvation to see what the timmy and johnny populace at large are voting for. That site is usually a good indicator for how these sort of votes are going to go as they represent the type of fans that usually vote for these things.
It seems a lot of them see the logic in getting in the only one that has a relevant ability and a +$30 price tag that is super hard to find. a lot of people seem to want it just cause they never had a chance to play with it before where as the other ones are relatively easier to get.
Shivan Helkite has a lot of fans, and is reasonably hard to find for the newer players. I think this is the second most popular one.
Rathi is also quite popular even tho it is currently in the set and no one plays it. the artifact dragons are both fairly popular for some unknown reason.
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2006, 06:13:43 pm » |
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I cast my vote for the thunder dragon, and I am also doing my best to convince the entire community of MTGfanatic (possibly one of the most n00b filled boards ever, a boards where i reign kings...sadly enough) to vote for the dragon as well. Fanatic may also contribute about 10-20 votes, so that may be just another great step in the right direction, and another tip of the scales.
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2006, 07:22:49 pm » |
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Yes I was doing this in IRC last night. No one loves thunder dragon : (
The reprint arguments are really important, guys. Legacy needs more Seals.
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2006, 09:10:03 pm » |
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noooo!! cmon be nice to us people that dont play magic and collect cards! i dont want thunder dragons to just become another crap rare from a vote in. keep it rare! dont vote thunder, dont vote brimstone!! vote uh, hunted dragon. you wont be playing with this guy anyway will you? be reasonable and keep the price high for the magic collector.
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2006, 09:20:01 pm » |
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Thunder Dragon '06!
Vote Thunder Dragon for president..
As for voting as a card I've already done so... I was sorta dissapointed no Zodiac Dragon.
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2006, 09:21:25 pm » |
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Your logic has persuaded me. I would have voted for the Rathi Dragon....he was a card that i hated to play against back when tempest was legal in T2.
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2006, 09:49:01 pm » |
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2006, 10:25:20 pm » |
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The reprint arguments are really important, guys. Legacy needs more Seals.
Isn't it banned? Anyway, I had already voted for Thunder Dragon for that exact reason, and I'll see who else I can get to vote for it. |
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2006, 10:31:56 pm » |
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The reprint arguments are really important, guys. Legacy needs more Seals.
Isn't it banned? At the moment, yes. |
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2006, 12:40:07 am » |
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My apologizes, Herr Orlove, but I voted for Volcanic Dragon. Among all dragons, it is probably my favourite one that is not legendary. Perhaps if I had seen your cogent argument prior to casting my vote, I would have considered it. In this instance, however, my concern is primarily not for competitive Magic. I was compelled to select a card that impressed me so much when I was a relatively new player.
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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2006, 01:13:36 am » |
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you wont be playing with this guy anyway will you?
Yes, we will. Thunder Dragon is a 5/5 fatty that nukes the board. Magic Online players will like him in decks featuring Zirilan of the Claw as a 1 of to play crowd control against weenies. Standard players will like him as a finisher for control decks (I play Thunder Dragon with counter back up, blow away whats still on the board and give you a 4 turn clock). Extended will like him as a reanimator target, Legacy will like him as a SB reanimator target (where it has been played before), and Vintage will SB a few in Dragon to deal with Fish. Casual players will like him because the casual dragon fans typically want atleast one of every dragon, and this is their chance to get one they haven't had the chance to without coughing up a lot of money. Why not just sell it now in case the price drops, and if it doesn't buy a replacement. |
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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2006, 04:37:28 am » |
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I wanted to vote thunder dragon ( he is one of the 2 dragons i dont have) but I cant vote, something do do zith a password and login |
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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2006, 04:42:00 am » |
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Sorry Orlove, I voted Shivan Hellkite because I want to see a foil version of it. Thunderdragon is nice and all, but I already own some.
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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2006, 05:25:17 am » |
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Thunderdragon is nice and all, but I already own some.
Lucky you, then. I voted Thunderdragon even before I read this post, because it is (along with Shivan Hellkite) the coolest Dragon on the list (top name, too). And the best thing is that it is the perfect 10th Edition Color Wheel Complement TM to Hurricane! Everybody who wanted Earthquake didn't, but can now have Thunder Dragon, who does the job better than Shivan Dragon or Hellkite. So there is another reason to vote Thunderdragon! be reasonable and keep the price high for the magic collector. Dude, I *am* likely to play the dragon. Actually, everybody: Keep a sharp eye for the price of Starter Thunderdragon if it should be reprinted. It would serve as a minor exampe in the eternal reprint debate. Thunder... Thunder... Thunderdragon! |
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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2006, 05:32:06 am » |
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Dragons do not concern me commander.
But in spite of it all, if Jacob wants votes for TD, then I will cast my vote for TD/
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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2006, 08:30:05 am » |
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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2006, 09:26:53 am » |
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If Jacob asks, I oblige.
Listen to what I´m going to say:
"They will not reprint Imperial Seal nor Grim Tutor"
I have spoken.
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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2006, 11:02:44 am » |
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They might not do Seal, but Grim is a fair card for every format that doesn't have Dark Ritual, and some that do.
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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2006, 12:20:20 pm » |
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They might not do Seal, but Grim is a fair card for every format that doesn't have Dark Ritual, and some that do.
I was thinking the same thing, but didn't want to comment for fear of a "should Grim Tutor or Imperial Seal be reprinted?" discussion. :-\ Edit: Additionally, Thunder Dragon seems to be making a killing over on the Wizards board. I would say at least 1/3 of the posters on that thread are supporting Thunder Dragon. |
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« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2006, 10:55:40 am » |
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Done and done. I don't know if WotC is smart enough to look at this vote in terms of the big picture (reprinting chase starter rares), but they just might. I agree on the Grim Tutor, too. It's a fairly balanced card.
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« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2006, 12:22:47 pm » |
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Grim tutor in any format but vintage isn't much better then diabolic tutor, and when is the last time you saw that card get played? I personally would love to see grim tutor get printed if only so i can get a foil set for grim long.
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« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2006, 11:15:47 pm » |
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That is garbage. Absolute garbage.
Both Fallen Angel and Nantuko Husk are garbage.
Thunder Dragon would have been my only reason for buying any 10th. Now, unless some other bitchin' reprints are done, I rpobably won't be.
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« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2006, 11:28:46 pm » |
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Congratulations you FUCKERS, enjoy watching shivan hellkite be a WORTHLESS TRASH RARE and NEVER get used in ANYTHING.
Fuck. I wish I could, in some small way, hurt everyone who said "but oh im just afraid thunder dragon will not be used and be another trash rare!"
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« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2006, 11:38:13 pm » |
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This is absolutely ludicrous!!!! I wish I could hack mtg.com so I could put "You Casual Players are all a bunch of idiots for not voting Thunder Dragon" on the main page for everyone to see. For the love of god Hunted Dragon got over 10%......
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