Ongoing SCG Chicago Results

[Godot]

Yo YO

just got off the phone with my boy Fuckin Lou, who made top 8!

hell yeah brother!

take it down for colorado!

fuckin lou went into the last round in 5th at 5-1 and ID'd.

Steve and Mastriano are in contention for top 8 but each had to play out their last round.

Owen Turtenwald(sp?) is in top 8 w/ some Platz+Pacts control deck.

One of the Carps(Dan I think) is in top 8 w/ gush tendrils. 

Shay is in contention w/ shitty breakers.

That should be accurate, but my phone sucks so I may have misheard him.

gogogogo fuckin lou!

[TopSecret]

Jamison seriously kicked ass.  It was ridiculous.  R/G Beatz with 4 Tin Street Hooligans was amazing for the weekend.

Tin Street is a beating...and apparently not just in Goblins. What else did he run?

He posted the deck he played at Starcitygames Indy a little while ago:

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=34520.30
(last post on the above page)

Obviously, it's not necessarily the same as the winning list,
but they may be similar.

[Dante]

his disruption was totally different - magus and stingscouger instead of leyline and root maze.  Also had aether vial and skullclamp.

[Vegeta2711]

Talked to Shay for about a minute. He drew and ended up in 9th. Was playing GAT as per the usual.

[hulk3rules]

I was there for day 1.  The metagame was extremely diverse.  Out of the 97 decks we were able to scout, there were 9-12 of Stax, Shop aggro, GAT, Naughts, combo, drain control, Oath and goblins. 

Could you please explain this.  Are you saying that you, and I assume your teammates, went around the room and took down the name and decktype of 97 different players out of the 126 during the tournament?  Maybe my thinking is out of line but if that is the case I feel it is pretty unethical.  Is this type of thing common in say Pro Tour or Grand Prix play?

[T00L]

I was there for day 1.  The metagame was extremely diverse.  Out of the 97 decks we were able to scout, there were 9-12 of Stax, Shop aggro, GAT, Naughts, combo, drain control, Oath and goblins. 

Could you please explain this.  Are you saying that you, and I assume your teammates, went around the room and took down the name and decktype of 97 different players out of the 126 during the tournament?  Maybe my thinking is out of line but if that is the case I feel it is pretty unethical.  Is this type of thing common in say Pro Tour or Grand Prix play?

Whats wrong with doing something like that? Thats what i usually do if i have a first round bye at a tournament.

[kirdape3]

Absolutely it's common - by the end of Day 1 you should have a handle on who's playing what going into Day 2.  It's not even particularly hard if you have a deck that finishes rounds quickly.  What's not legal is bringing those notes specifically into a match - you can take them, even have them on your person, but you absolutely cannot reference them during a match.

You also cannot take any notes during a limited event.

Remember, if the people sitting there aren't going to throw you out you have every right to be there.  So why not find out what they're playing and what technology they are bringing to bear?

[Dxfiler]

Scouting happens all the time at all magic events and is perfectly legal.

With that said, the type of scouting mentioned here is something that I personally don't think is worth doing early in a big event.  If you go around the room with a legion of people armed with pen and paper early on with a field of over 100 people, all you're going to do in the is annoy and aliienate yourself from alot of players.  People are trying to play round 1 and you're running around just trying to get as many archtypes as possible... it's not going to endear yourself to anyone and it really isn't much of an edge early on.

If it's like rounds 5-6 and 40 people are left and you're X-1 or X-0 it makes alot more sense to just casually look around the room and no one is really going to care at that point. 

Having people run around getting as many decks as possible rounds 1-2 ultimately is just not worth it.  You can't get a detailed scout and you really don't know who is running what, you're just getting broad numbers and pissing people off while doing it.

While I don't agree with the massive scouting early that was mentioned, it is legal under current DCI rules (although has been illegal in the past), so it isn't exactly unethical.   

Massive scouting early on in events this big (different from walking around and looking at a couple decks) is something I just don't peronsally agree with.  Like looking around the room is one thing... walking up to people with pad/paper and writing down what they're playing as they play it is something completely different.  Sure it's legal... it's just not very sportsmanlike.

- Dave

[Vegeta2711]

I was there for day 1.  The metagame was extremely diverse.  Out of the 97 decks we were able to scout, there were 9-12 of Stax, Shop aggro, GAT, Naughts, combo, drain control, Oath and goblins. 

Could you please explain this.  Are you saying that you, and I assume your teammates, went around the room and took down the name and decktype of 97 different players out of the 126 during the tournament?  Maybe my thinking is out of line but if that is the case I feel it is pretty unethical.  Is this type of thing common in say Pro Tour or Grand Prix play?

Scouting was made legal years ago and it's incredibly common, especially for tournaments that have byes or multiple days as Kird mentioned.

[kirdape3]

Who cares about being liked?  If you have the ability to do so, you probably should because it's certainly legal.

[mindtaporg]

The decklists seem like they're full of random crap cards, but I guess synergy is pretty redic in the format right now

4-3 both days, i feel like such a scrub

[Moxlotus]

I was there for day 1.  The metagame was extremely diverse.  Out of the 97 decks we were able to scout, there were 9-12 of Stax, Shop aggro, GAT, Naughts, combo, drain control, Oath and goblins. 

Could you please explain this.  Are you saying that you, and I assume your teammates, went around the room and took down the name and decktype of 97 different players out of the 126 during the tournament?  Maybe my thinking is out of line but if that is the case I feel it is pretty unethical.  Is this type of thing common in say Pro Tour or Grand Prix play?

No names.  Not sure why people immediately assumed that we were trying to gain some advantage over people.  We were curious what the breakdown was because after each round we'd (6 or 7 of us) get together and talk about what deck we played against and we rarely ever got paired against the same matchup.  Seemed pretty strange.  At the beginning of round 4 my teammate who was out went down the tables and just started making tally marks.  Table 1: GAT v. Flash: 1 for gat, 1 for flash.  table 2: Goyf vs. shop aggro: 1 for goyf, 1 for shop aggro. 

[Roxas]

For those of you who are interested, here's Owen's list that made top8 on day 2. It's totally amazing.

5 Island
4 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
1 Academy Ruins
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Tolaria West
1 Tolarian Academy
5 Moxen
1 Black Lotus
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault

4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
4 Pact of Negation
1 Misdirection

3 Platinum Angel

4 Thirst for Knowledge
4 Brainstorm
4 Merchant Scroll
2 Ponder
1 Echoing Truth

1 Fact or Fiction
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Tinker

SB:
4 Leyline of the Void
4 Threads of Disloyalty
2 Trickbind
2 Hurkyl's Recall
2 Pithing Needle
1 Meloku, the Clouded Mirror

[chief]

My day 1 list:

Dudes

4x kird ape
4x skyshroud elite
4x tarmogoyf
4x mogg fanatic
4x tin street hooligan
3x magus of the moon
2x stingscourger

Burn

4x seal of fire
4x lightning bolt

Good stuff that costs one colorless

4x aether vial
3x skullclamp

Mana

1x emerald
1x ruby
1x lotus
1x lotus petal
4x wooded foothills
2x windswept heath
4x taiga
2x mountain
1x forest
2x wasteland
1x strip mine

The Board

4x pyrostatic pillar
4x seal of primordium
3x ancient grudge
3x pyroclasm
1x stingscourger

[Cthulhu1975]

Congratz to the win day 1 chief and thanks for posting the decklist!

That is a really interesting list, and quite different from the one you played earlier. Myself being an RG player for a long time in Sweden, it would be interesting to read a report (matchups, plays, etc.) and some about the new cards (e.g. Skullclamp and Aether Vial). It seems that ichorid would be a really tough matchup but that deck is less played nowadays (?).

[tomjoad]

Congratz to the win day 1 chief and thanks for posting the decklist!

That is a really interesting list, and quite different from the one you played earlier. Myself being an RG player for a long time in Sweden, it would be interesting to read a report (matchups, plays, etc.) and some about the new cards (e.g. Skullclamp and Aether Vial). It seems that ichorid would be a really tough matchup but that deck is less played nowadays (?).

I haven't tested the deck/matchup at all, but Mogg Fanatic, Skullclamp, and Stingscourger all seem quite good v. Ichorid, actually. That is, they all RFG Bridge, and Fanatic is strong v. Ichorids (the creature, that is) as well. Think about Vialing in a Fanatic in response to flashbacked Dread Return...what a beating!

[Duncan]

Top 8 decklists for day 1 are up on SCG:
http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckdatabase/deckshow.php?start_date=2007-11-18&end_date=2007-11-18

The TK DeezNoughts list looks interesting, but i'm surprised there is no maindeck bounce.

[LotusHead]

Thank you Chicago Metagame and all the Teams (ICBM etc) for puttin up some great lists to show the fun and diversity of Vintage Magic.

R/G Beats won day 1? Wonderful. No Bounce Platz deck in top 8? Awesome. Kudo's to all you guys.

I hope someone somewhere actually does a tourney report for us.

[SyntheticAngel]

Fuckin' Lou lost his first round of top 8 to the jankiest deck ever. It was so terrible I almost died laughing when I saw Squee, Goblin Nabob, and Bazaar of Baghdad. He made every wrong play known to man. That kid took Yawgmoth's Will out of Lou's hand when that kid had Leyline out instead of taking DSC which was Lou's only win. Simply fucking atrocious. On a lighter note our fucking car broke down in Iowa City. We're fucking stranded and we miss Colorado. Atleast there is naked juice.

Brennen

[yespuhyren]

So far I've seen a few mistakes in SCG's decks.  1st place deck has 11 SB cards and Jerry Yang's deck has 56 cards (and only 3 shops listed which is probably 4)  I@n's deck has 12 cards in the SB, and is missing a card MD.

Jerry's tech of using Wirecat over Su-Chi/Centurion/Others is just friggin awesome.  Mad props on that one.

[Dante]

So far I've seen a few mistakes in SCG's decks.  1st place deck has 11 SB cards and Jerry Yang's deck has 56 cards (and only 3 shops listed which is probably 4)  I@n's deck has 12 cards in the SB, and is missing a card MD.

Jerry's tech of using Wirecat over Su-Chi/Centurion/Others is just friggin awesome.  Mad props on that one.

yah, there's some mistakes there - I'm guessing their database is case sensitive or that it ignores misspelled cards.  The 1st place decklist is above (the seal of primordium was the missing card from the sb)

Drummer79 had moved this into the storage tank so Day 2 wasn't affected by it, ill quote it here (has 1st sideboard, jerry's full 60, and Ian's full 60, although still only 12 sb cards for Ian)

Day 1 top 8

1st Place

Jamison Bryant – G/R Beats

4 Kird Ape
4 Skyshroud Elite
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Mogg Fanatic
3 Magus of the Moon
2 Stingscourger
4 Tin-Street Houligan
4 Seal of Fire
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Aether Vial
3 Skullclamp
4 Taiga
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Windswept Heath
2 Mountain
1 Forest
2 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal

Sideboard
1 Stingscourger
4 Pyrostatic Pillar
3 Ancient Grudge
3 Pyroclasm
4 Seal of Primordium


2nd Place

Manuel Fernandez – GAT

3 Quirion Dryad
3 Tarmogoyf
4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain
4 Merchant Scroll
4 Gush
4 Brainstorm
2 Duress
2 Thoughtseize
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Misdirection
1 Echoing Truth
1 Regrowth
1 Fastbond
4 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea
2 Snow Covered Island
3 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Black Lotus

Sideboard
4 Leyline of the Void
4 Smother
3 Oxidize
3 Energy Flux
1 Echoing Truth

3rd Place

Dan Carp – Empty Gush

1 Mox Sapphire
2 Misdirection
1 Psychatog
1 Mox Pearl
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
4 Thoughtseize
1 Ingot Chewer
1 Duress
1 Mystical Tutor
4 Force of Will
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Darksteel Collossus
4 Brainstorm
4 Merchant Scroll
1 Empty the Warrens
4 Gush
1 Fastbond
3 Mana Drain
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Regrowth
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Echoing Truth
1 Lotus Petal
1 Tinker
2 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
2 Island
1 Tropical Island
2 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta

Sideboard
4 Viashano Heritic
4 Pyroclasm
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Yixlid Jailor
1 Fire/Ice


4th Place

Jimmy McCarthy - GAT

1 Psychatog
1 Fire/Ice
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
2 Thoughtseize
2 Duress
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Fastbond
3 Quirion Dryad
1 Tarmogoyf
4 Merchant Scroll
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
4 Gush
4 Force of Will
1 Misdirection
1 Cunning Wish
1 Echoing Truth
1 Spell Snare
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Mystical Tutor
3 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
3 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
2 Tropical Island
2 Island

Sideboard
1 Pithing Needle
2 Tarmogoyf
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Oxidize
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Pyroclasm
1 Berserk


5th Place

Owen Turtenwald – TK DeezNauts

4 Dark Confidant
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Brainstorm
3 Trinket Mage
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Sensai's Diving Top
1 Phyrexian Dreadnaught
1 Engineered Explosives
4 Stifle
3 Thoughtseize
1 Duress
4 Force of Will
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Life of the Loam
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Black Lotus
4 Polluted Delta
1 Flooded Strand
1 Bloodstained Mire
4 Underground Sea
1 Tropical Island
1 Bayou
1 Snow  Covered Island
3 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine

Sideboard
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Trygon Predator
2 Threads of Disloyalty
2 Duress
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Pithing Needle
1 Aether Spellbomb

6th Place

Jerry Yang – Mono Red Shop Aggro

6 Mountain
4 Mishra's Workshop
4 Wasteland
3 Mishra's Factory
1 Strip Mine
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring
4 Goblin Welder
4 Juggernaut
4 Solemn Simulacrum
4 Sphere of Resistance
4 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Duplicant
3 Sword of Fire and Ice
3 Triskelion
2 Wirecat
1 Trinisphere


Sideboard
4 Pyrostatic Pillar
4 Rack and Ruin
4 Tormod's Crypt
3 Magus of the Moon

7th Place

Jake Kempfer – TK DeezNauts

4 Dark Confidant
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Stifle
4 Force of Will
3 Trinket Mage
2 Duress
2 Thoughtseize
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Sensai's Diving Top
1 Engineered Explosives
4 Brainstorm
1 Time Walk
1 Life of the Loam
1 Phyrexian Dreadnaught
4 Underground Sea
1 Tropical Island
1 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
3 Wasteland
1 Island
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Bayou
1 Mox Pearl
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Strip Mine

Sideboard
2 Threads of Disloyalty
1 Aether Spellbomb
1 Yawgmoth's Will
2 Duress
1 Pernicious Deed
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Trygon Predator
1 Pithing Needle

8th Place

Ian Degraff – Wonder Emporium

4 Polluted Delta
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
1 Badlands
1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal
1 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Sol Ring
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Swamp
1 Island
4 Brainstorm
4 Dark Ritual
4 Pact Of Negation
4 Thoughtseize
3 Cabal Ritual
2 Ponder
3 Tendrils of Agony
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Hurkyl's Recall
2 Repeal
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Timetwister
1 Necropotence
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Mind's Desire
1 Tolarian Academy

Sideboard
4 Dark Confidant
1 Time Walk
3 Ignot Chewer
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Tinker
1 Platinum Angel
1 Darksteel Collosus

[Polynomial P]

Dawn of the Dead (BGW metagame deck with zombie infestation and squees) took 2nd place Day 2 despite being an untested list. Its only loss the whole day was to mono-brown metal worker stax in the finals.

[yespuhyren]

Jerry Yang – Mono Red Shop Aggro

4 Mishra's Workshop
4 Wasteland
3 Mishra's Workshop

I'm going to guess it was

4 Workshop
4 Wasteland
3 Factory?

[Sextiger]

I will have to say that these have been the best vintage results I have probably seen in years.  I really wish I had the time to attend some tourneys because right now the metagame seems wide open and could possibly be the funnest it has ever been.  GAT is finally getting a few kicks to the nuts. 

[Smmenen]

i ended up with the same record both days.

Day 1: My final record: 4-1-2

Round 1, Paul and I intentionally draw.  I win the next round, by my round three opponent and I unintentionally draw.   I win the next four matches and lose the last round for top 8 contention.  My opponent can't make top 8, since I've been paired down, but I lose to him. 

Day 2: my final record: 4-1-2

Two unintentional draws.

I ended up with a very strange identical record both days

[Eddie]

5 ICBMers with their new deck - Dark Confidant, Stifle, Dreadnaught, Tarmogoyf.dec

It doesn't sound new cause goyf has been played in the deck for a while. But maybe I'd better wait for a list.

I stand corrected. I thought it would be the mask deck with goyfs. We've tried that over here and it never seemed to work. Mad props to ICBM. The decks looks interesting to say the least.

[Dante]

Jerry Yang – Mono Red Shop Aggro

4 Mishra's Workshop
4 Wasteland
3 Mishra's Workshop

I'm going to guess it was

4 Workshop
4 Wasteland
3 Factory?

Fixed my list.

To Steve's situation

My opponent can't make top 8, since I've been paired down, but I lose to him. 

With the top 16 getting prizes and 9th and 10th getting significantly better prizes, you probably won't see too many people in that situation (can't make top 8 but are paired up with someone who can) concede because of the chance of getting 9th/10th or possibly falling out of top 16 with that loss, particularly being right near the upper threshold for 7 rounds (126 players with 128 kicking it up to 8 rounds).

[SyntheticAngel]

To Steve's situation

My opponent can't make top 8, since I've been paired down, but I lose to him. 

With the top 16 getting prizes and 9th and 10th getting significantly better prizes, you probably won't see too many people in that situation (can't make top 8 but are paired up with someone who can) concede because of the chance of getting 9th/10th or possibly falling out of top 16 with that loss, particularly being right near the upper threshold for 7 rounds (126 players with 128 kicking it up to 8 rounds).
[/quote]

Prize for day two was only through 9th so Steve most likely would have been in top eight, or ninth.

[Dante]

Yes, but that situation occurred Day 1.

[Smmenen]

Yes, but that situation occurred Day 1.

It occured day two as well. I was X-1-1 and paired down against an X-2 player, but on day two, I would not have made top 8.  Possibly ninth, however.  The difference is that instead of losing in the last round, we drew.