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« on: September 07, 2008, 05:21:22 pm » |
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I was just wondering what everyone thinks is the most important prison in a format with TPS, Belcher, Slaver, Fish and Shop decks?
How would you rate
1. Null Rod
2. Chalice
3. Sphere
4. Thorn
5. Trinsphere
6. Tsabo's Web
7. Other
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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2008, 06:31:15 pm » |
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Obviously they work best in combination. Chalice 0 sphere is a great opener.
Chalice is the most versatile lock piece, so I'd have to place my vote there.
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2008, 06:55:46 pm » |
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2008, 07:04:15 pm » |
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1. Trinisphere (why it's restricted)
2. Null Rod
3. Chalice
4. Tangle Wire
5. Uba Mask
6. Sphere
7. Thorn
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2008, 07:25:07 pm » |
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1. Trinisphere (why it's restricted)
2. Null Rod
3. Chalice
4. Tangle Wire
5. Uba Mask
6. Sphere
7. Thorn
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You're absolutely wrong on Trinisphere. It only does stuff on turn 1. I like things that are good no matter WHEN you draw them. 1 Chalice of the Void 2 Null Rod 3 Pithing Needle |
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2008, 11:53:08 am » |
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If it actually resolves, In The Eye of Chaos is a house. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to build a deck around it.
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2008, 01:25:01 pm » |
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It's almost impossible to say which card is the best lockpiece in magic since this totally depends on your matchup. Against slaver I prefer null rod instead of chalice or trinisphere where in a combo or fish matchup a first-turn chalice is a denive gift ...
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ps: let's add another, not unimportant, lockpiece: leyline of the void
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2008, 01:22:33 am » |
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Lock pieces need to come as at least two resolved, timely, except for first turn Trinisphere, or 0th turn Leyline vs Ichorid/Storm w/o Tinker Colossus.
Chalice for 0 and Sphere of Resistance is best.
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2008, 01:29:13 am » |
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Not sure...null rod, nether void, sphere of resistance all comes to mind...Chalice can also be nutz, but i feel like it's mostly good in the opener. (Although sphere effects also need to be on the board early to really do anything)
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2008, 09:03:00 am » |
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Not sure...null rod, nether void, sphere of resistance all comes to mind...Chalice can also be nutz, but i feel like it's mostly good in the opener. (Although sphere effects also need to be on the board early to really do anything)
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2008, 09:49:27 am » |
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Imo it's the Null Rod.
It's disappointing that so many card which are very playable in Prison like Jester's Cap, Karn, Triskelion, Tormod's Crypt etc are nullified by it.
So the question is if 4 Null Rods are worth the significant changes in the deck build, regarding that including cards like Mana Crypt is questionable now and the reliance on nonstandard lands becomes higher.
When not playing the rod it depends on the opponent. Imo the spheres are the second best card in Prison, followed by Chalice, Smokestack, Tangle Wire.
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