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« Reply #630 on: March 24, 2010, 09:48:38 am » |
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This is actually better Suited to Tezz mirror than in Fish. 1) It's a 1/3 for 2, so can profitably block Dark Confidant. 2) Fully activated it negates an opponent's Vault-Key. 3) Fully activated your opponent needs Vault-Key just to keep up, otherwise you get 2 turns for each of theirs. 4) Partially upgraded or more it can take out an undefended Tezz that fetched Vault, as it will have 2+ power. 5) It's good in multiples as it's not (and doesn't become) Legendary, and the extra turns will stack. You can use the extra mana from the extra turns thanks to one to activate a second. It costs  +  to fully activate, which is way to much for Fish, but manageable for Tezz, given the presence of Tolarian. This card would be insane if Levelling could be done at instant speed. Too bad.
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« Reply #631 on: March 24, 2010, 10:11:32 am » |
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2) Fully activated it negates an opponent's Vault-Key.
Correct me if I am wrong; wouldn't the opponent just wait to activate Key + Vault until after this trigger resolves. Then their free turn would occur before your anyway. Or am I getting that interaction wrong?
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« Reply #632 on: March 24, 2010, 10:20:02 am » |
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2) Fully activated it negates an opponent's Vault-Key.
Correct me if I am wrong; wouldn't the opponent just wait to activate Key + Vault until after this trigger resolves. Then their free turn would occur before your anyway. Or am I getting that interaction wrong? Umm. I'm not sure actually. I was thinking that 'my' extra turn and 'your' extra turn annihilate (like matter-anit-matter, not like Eldrazi), but that's actually the rule for extra turns and skipped turns right? If you're right, and I suspect you are, then this is casual fodder, and not Vintage playable.
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Chess really changed when they decided to stop making Queens and Bishops. I'm just glad I got my copies before the prices went crazy.
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« Reply #633 on: March 24, 2010, 11:06:05 am » |
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My bet:  Sorcery Rebound Draw three cards. Then discard three cards. EDIT: Or, "Then discard three cards unless you discard an Eldrazi." Making a "useless" twist on a popular big card turned out soooo well in the past... ? I think this is fairly different from LED. If anything, I was trying to suggest it would be more like Thirst, with a trickier drawback.
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« Reply #634 on: March 24, 2010, 11:34:17 am » |
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My bet:  Sorcery Rebound Draw three cards. Then discard three cards. EDIT: Or, "Then discard three cards unless you discard an Eldrazi." Making a "useless" twist on a popular big card turned out soooo well in the past... ? I think this is fairly different from LED. If anything, I was trying to suggest it would be more like Thirst, with a trickier drawback. This wold be a strict upgrade to carefull studdy in a Mana Ichorid build. The Eldrazi part would also give Ichorid some draw power to remove hate for g2 and 3 if they used that new 15/15 as a dread return target. I serriusly doubt that this is the text on the card though
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« Reply #635 on: March 24, 2010, 12:35:47 pm » |
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My bet:  Sorcery Rebound Draw three cards. Then discard three cards. EDIT: Or, "Then discard three cards unless you discard an Eldrazi." Making a "useless" twist on a popular big card turned out soooo well in the past... ? I think this is fairly different from LED. If anything, I was trying to suggest it would be more like Thirst, with a trickier drawback. This wold be a strict upgrade to carefull studdy in a Mana Ichorid build. The Eldrazi part would also give Ichorid some draw power to remove hate for g2 and 3 if they used that new 15/15 as a dread return target. I serriusly doubt that this is the text on the card though Eldrazi cannot be Dread Returned.
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« Reply #636 on: March 24, 2010, 12:53:01 pm » |
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« Reply #637 on: March 24, 2010, 12:53:32 pm » |
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Eldrazi cannot be Dread Returned. Kolizek can't, but Pathrazer can (at least from what we've seen so far). Edit: Added card texts.Kozilek, Butcher of Truth Legendary Creature - Eldrazi When you cast Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, draw four cards. Annihilator 4 (Whenever this creature attacks, defending player sacrifices four permanents.) When Kozilek is put into a graveyard from anywhere, its owner shuffles his or her graveyard into his or her library. 12/12 Pathrazer of Ulmalog - 11 Annihilator 3 ~ can't be blocked except by 3 or more creatures. 9/9
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I suppose it's mostly the thought that this format is just one big Mistake; and not even a very sophisticated one at that.
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« Reply #638 on: March 24, 2010, 12:57:44 pm » |
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Eldrazi cannot be Dread Returned. 
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« Reply #639 on: March 24, 2010, 12:58:58 pm » |
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I think this is fairly different from LED. If anything, I was trying to suggest it would be more like Thirst, with a trickier drawback.
Sorry, I didn't want to pick at your proposal. I just wanted to point that, for the most part (with perhaps an exception for the "Suspended" spells), twists on old favorites turned either horribly broken in their own way (LED comes to mind) or useless (Magosi)
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« Reply #640 on: March 24, 2010, 01:23:11 pm » |
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My bet:  Sorcery Rebound Draw three cards. Then discard three cards. EDIT: Or, "Then discard three cards unless you discard an Eldrazi." Making a "useless" twist on a popular big card turned out soooo well in the past... ? I think this is fairly different from LED. If anything, I was trying to suggest it would be more like Thirst, with a trickier drawback. This wold be a strict upgrade to carefull studdy in a Mana Ichorid build. The Eldrazi part would also give Ichorid some draw power to remove hate for g2 and 3 if they used that new 15/15 as a dread return target. I serriusly doubt that this is the text on the card though With Rebound, however, I'm not so sure it would be strictly better. ?
I think this is fairly different from LED. If anything, I was trying to suggest it would be more like Thirst, with a trickier drawback.
Sorry, I didn't want to pick at your proposal. I just wanted to point that, for the most part (with perhaps an exception for the "Suspended" spells), twists on old favorites turned either horribly broken in their own way (LED comes to mind) or useless (Magosi) I didn't understand your comparison at first, but I see what you're saying now. While that's true for a number of cards, there are some remakes that they've managed to get right. Time Spiral was playable but not overly broken. Rite of Flame, Exploration, etc. are fair.
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« Reply #641 on: March 24, 2010, 01:44:38 pm » |
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I kind of like this new spoiled mechanic:
Rebound (When you play this card, if you played it from your hand, exile it. At the beginning of your next upkeep, you may play this card from exile without paying its mana cost.)
It looks like it actually reads a bit differently than this: Rebound (If you cast this spell from your hand, exile it as it resolves. At the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast this card from exile without paying its mana cost.)I interpret this to mean that the effect will actually happen twice. In which case, I doubt the card I predicted above is correct.
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« Reply #642 on: March 24, 2010, 01:51:37 pm » |
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the fact that some eldrazi are being printed as commons an uncommons is a bit ridiculous. The power level of this set is nuts
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« Reply #643 on: March 24, 2010, 02:25:11 pm » |
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the fact that some eldrazi are being printed as commons an uncommons is a bit ridiculous. The power level of this set is nuts I assume we're talking draft here, since rarity isn't as relevant in Standard. Is it really that much crazier power-wise than Fusion Elemental (given that Alara Block had crazy amounts of color fixing)? I'd figure getting your 8/8 three turns earlier trumps Annihilator 2. Does being common instead of uncommon matter that much? How many 8 costed things do you really want in your deck anyway?
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I suppose it's mostly the thought that this format is just one big Mistake; and not even a very sophisticated one at that.
Much like humanity itself.
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« Reply #644 on: March 24, 2010, 02:29:28 pm » |
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Historically speaking, though, there aren't too many 8/8 creatures at the common slot. Usually, big fatties like that are rare- even if they aren't constructed worthy. I think this will be a prety popular set among the pack-buying casual crowd. I don't know how much constructed players will like it.
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« Reply #645 on: March 24, 2010, 03:02:40 pm » |
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Eldrazi cannot be Dread Returned.  Sorry, the 15/15 (referenced in the post before my original) cannot be Dread Returned.
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« Reply #646 on: March 24, 2010, 03:57:15 pm » |
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Historically speaking, though, there aren't too many 8/8 creatures at the common slot. Usually, big fatties like that are rare- even if they aren't constructed worthy. I think this will be a prety popular set among the pack-buying casual crowd. I don't know how much constructed players will like it. I don't think that directly addresses my question though... How many 8 costed things can you fit into your 40 without them just clogging your hand most of the time? If you already have one or two, would you bother picking a third? It's kind of like re-restricting Key. If people are only choosing to run one, having extras available doesn't really matter. OTOH, Overgrown Battlement implies that there will be plenty of walls in the set. That would certainly help buy time to hit 8 mana.
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I suppose it's mostly the thought that this format is just one big Mistake; and not even a very sophisticated one at that.
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« Reply #647 on: March 24, 2010, 04:39:16 pm » |
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In limited, Rise of the Eldrazi is meant to be drafted as a stand alone set. From the spoiler so far, it appears to be super slow, with lots of walls, mana producers, 8/8's printed at common, and creatures that LEVEL UP.
TIMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
I'm actually kind of excited to draft this set. From my point of view, most sets follow a similar pattern for limited without much variation in the bigger picture.
However, Rise of the Eldrazi looks like it will be very different to draft with ramping up to huge effing fatties actually being a very viable strategy. Yes. FUCK YES.
This is gonna be great.
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« Reply #648 on: March 24, 2010, 06:18:31 pm » |
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I kind of like this new spoiled mechanic:
Rebound (When you play this card, if you played it from your hand, exile it. At the beginning of your next upkeep, you may play this card from exile without paying its mana cost.)
It looks like it actually reads a bit differently than this: Rebound (If you cast this spell from your hand, exile it as it resolves. At the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast this card from exile without paying its mana cost.)I interpret this to mean that the effect will actually happen twice. In which case, I doubt the card I predicted above is correct. Yeah, I was paraphrasing. Didn't realize my wording meant that it wouldn't actually 'go off' until the next turn, heh. My mistake.
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« Reply #649 on: March 27, 2010, 11:38:12 am » |
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New Spolier for RoE All is Dust  Tribal Sorcery - Eldrazi Each player sacrifices all colored permanents he or she controls. I would love to put that in a Metalworker deck, wouldn't you? LOL. After all the sphere effects, tho, the thing would cost ten mana. Cool card. Not practical tho. 
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« Reply #650 on: March 29, 2010, 01:33:12 am » |
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Mox Sapphire art for Vintage Championship 2010 (very bottom of the page). He doesn't say where he got the picture. I wasn't able to find it on WotC's site, but that doesn't mean it's not there. 
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« Reply #651 on: March 29, 2010, 01:44:43 am » |
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IMG-SNIP-/IMG
It was all the other pics on that site that caught my attention!
EDIT: I guess it was a create-a-card section of the article.
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« Reply #652 on: March 29, 2010, 01:50:45 am » |
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Speaking of Mox art: Original Mox Pearl art for saleNo idea if this is legit, but interesting nonetheless.
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« Reply #653 on: March 29, 2010, 03:14:01 am » |
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Star Hedron can't be real, can it?
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« Reply #654 on: March 29, 2010, 04:39:57 am » |
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Star Hedron can't be real, can it?
I guess not. (I took a closer look at the page. Looks like a "create a card" card.) My bad.
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« Reply #655 on: March 29, 2010, 08:25:33 am » |
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Ah, this is where those extra hits are coming from. Ok. (Ps: I found it here  )
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« Reply #656 on: March 29, 2010, 10:55:03 am » |
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Yeah that pearl gas been on sale for a while. I knew no one would ever pay 250k for it.
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« Reply #657 on: March 29, 2010, 11:04:26 am » |
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Yeah that pearl gas been on sale for a while. I knew no one would ever pay 250k for it. I can't imagine even the richest Magic fan paying more than, say, $50,000 for it (assuming it's real). Then again, I don't really know anything about the "old Magic card art" market and am just speculating off the cuff.
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« Reply #658 on: March 29, 2010, 02:49:13 pm » |
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Well if a normal artist sells a painting for more then 100k hes probably been featured in MoMA and the Guggenheim, and has worldwide recognition. I dont think Dan Frazier paintings warrant a 180k+ price tag.
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« Reply #659 on: March 29, 2010, 05:17:45 pm » |
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From mtgSalvation: Kazandu Elephant Caller 1G Creature - Human Shaman Level up 1G [Level 2-5] :  : Put a 3/3 green Elephant creature token onto the battlefield. (1/1) [Level 6+] :  : Put two 3/3 green Elephant creature tokens onto the battlefield. (1/1) 1/1 Is it just me, or is this card balls to the wall insane if it's real? Also, ELEPHANTS
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