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« Reply #120 on: September 15, 2010, 11:32:25 am »

Is a vanilla 2/2 flyer good enough to make the cut in Vintage though?
That is the question or motive to post the card here, brainstorm.
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« Reply #121 on: September 15, 2010, 11:57:40 am »

Is a vanilla 2/2 flyer good enough to make the cut in Vintage though?
That is the question or motive to post the card here, brainstorm.
I was trying not to say it flat out, but the answer is No. If it was worthwhile, we'd see Isamaru and Savannah Lions in decks. Unless I'm massively mistaken, that doesn't happen here, even in Creative.
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« Reply #122 on: September 17, 2010, 04:28:11 am »

Some infect






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« Reply #123 on: September 17, 2010, 04:55:16 am »

I like the Glint Hawk.  Isamaru and Savannah Lions did see play in the UW Fish lists by Dave Feinstein.  To me, Glint Hawk is basically a near-strictly superior Isamaru since it has flying and a competent deck builder should understand that its drawback is something to convert into an advantage.  A lot of the good ideas were listed by earlier posters.  Some other things that crossed my mind were resetting Tumble Magnet, which some MUD players are looking into for board control.  Building Storm towards Empty the Warrens.  Using Riddlesmith or Myrsmith more often, and a lot more often if the Glint Hawk is part of a Ninjutsu engine.  Lots of coming into play triggers.  

I also like that there's finally a viable 1 drop that flies and isn't green, making a good candidate for Basilisk Collar in Stoneforge Mystic lists to block the Sphinx.  

It's not an exciting card at first glance but it's elegant and gives a lot of options for {W}.  
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« Reply #124 on: September 17, 2010, 05:30:31 am »

Jester's Scepter is also a nice artifact that has a good 'comes into play' effect. With the Hawk you can potentially hit 10 cards.

Nice touch on the Ninja, resetting the Hawk itself so it can also reset or generate mana again.

I also want to note that most likely their will be exalted around and flying+exalted is strong in mirror.

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I also like that there's finally a viable 1 drop that flies and isn't green, making a good candidate for Basilisk Collar in Stoneforge Mystic lists to block the Sphinx.
Sphinx has first strike

I think using STP, Seal or Abolish are very good to cut of Tinker plan IF you can make sure they can not force of will or react. Teeg/Canonist/Shusher/Duress effects can make sure of that. The tinker targets with shroud usually are very possible to race with mass bears. And if they stay on the defensive your flying will kick in. That is all post tinker, next to that Arbiter will do just fine pre Tinker.
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« Reply #125 on: September 17, 2010, 05:50:28 am »

Sphinx has first strike

Good catch.  It's trample which it's lacking.  It chump blocks it though, unlike the Birds of Paradise since Sphinx is pro-Green.  The chump blocking is relevant to Oath of Ghouls lists though chump blockers are only there in theory to buy time till a Spore Frog or Kami shows up. 

Jester's Scepter is an interesting idea. 

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« Reply #126 on: September 17, 2010, 02:27:18 pm »

I am liking this



2/2 Doublestrike that goes crazy with equipments. Boros Swiftblade was 1/2, multicolored but didnīt have metalcraft. 4 (Firststrike) damage for 2 mana is nice. Will it be good in vintage? Probably not, like 999 out of 1000 cards

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« Reply #127 on: September 17, 2010, 02:29:26 pm »

Kor Duelist already exists, and arguably makes better use of equipment.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=177542
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« Reply #128 on: September 17, 2010, 04:18:32 pm »

ah right, with equipment its certainly better, but a 2 drop that deals 4 damage without equipment is not too bad though
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« Reply #129 on: September 17, 2010, 05:08:57 pm »

either one with a SoFI seems pretty good in draft
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« Reply #130 on: September 17, 2010, 05:52:27 pm »

personally, i'd rather have the 2/2 for 2 than a 1/1 for 1. 
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« Reply #131 on: September 17, 2010, 06:07:40 pm »

personally, i'd rather have the 2/2 for 2 than a 1/1 for 1.
Is it worth being significantly harder to activate though? T1 Duelist, T2 Bonesplitter + Equip gets you six damage immediately.

You're very unlikely to be swing with Edgewright before T3, and the easiest ways to get him active are likely mana artifacts, which you probably don't want a ton of in the first place for any deck that runs him. If anything, I'd probably look at this guy as Duelist 5+.
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« Reply #132 on: September 17, 2010, 06:10:22 pm »

This is certainly very playable in casual decks. Better than swiftblade in red decks even, if you're focused enough on equipment. But maybe they can be run alongside eachother, to ensure jitte crazyness.

I'm still hoping for a one-drop that is playable on turn one and does not put crazy ties on ones mana. Glint hawk seems to demand a fully powered deck, which is out of the question for me.
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« Reply #133 on: September 17, 2010, 09:35:47 pm »

personally, i'd rather have the 2/2 for 2 than a 1/1 for 1.
Is it worth being significantly harder to activate though? T1 Duelist, T2 Bonesplitter + Equip gets you six damage immediately.

You're very unlikely to be swing with Edgewright before T3, and the easiest ways to get him active are likely mana artifacts, which you probably don't want a ton of in the first place for any deck that runs him. If anything, I'd probably look at this guy as Duelist 5+.

Well, it depends on your deck.  I don't see either as being exceptionally strong, but if I had to go for one of them I'd go for the 2/2 for 2 since that is just better in non-optimal situations.  Just because, for me, I'm looking to those worst-cast scenarios rather than the best case ones.   

And really, I don't see the 1 drop as being easier to use.  I think it's very likely that you'll see a deck that can support 3 artifacts just as easily as one that can support 1 equipment.  I'm not sure what an WW equip would look like, but given Mirrodin I'd imagine it wouldn't be difficult for there to be more than three times as many artifacts in some decks as there was equipment. 
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« Reply #134 on: September 18, 2010, 01:44:43 am »

I expect better from  {W} {W}
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« Reply #135 on: September 18, 2010, 04:55:32 am »

Good with Baslisk Collar/Sparkmage in Standard



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« Reply #136 on: September 18, 2010, 06:59:56 am »

The Elf Lord is solid.  I find the Goblin to be good, and the three comparisons that come to mind first are Grim Lavamancer, Mogg Fanatic, and Magus of the Scroll.  There are so many ways to manipulate its power, it sticks around, and its ability is unaffected by summoning sickness, so it has pros & cons v. them all.  The art on it is well... borderline obscene but I'm more intrigued by how edgy the artist is allowed to be here rather than bothered/offended by it.    
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« Reply #137 on: September 18, 2010, 07:24:37 am »

Two of those demons can just bounce counters back and forth until everything else is dead.  Love that interaction.
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« Reply #138 on: September 18, 2010, 07:40:18 am »

Pity goblin, his other "ball" is missing  Very Happy
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« Reply #139 on: September 20, 2010, 07:37:13 am »

Ugh.  The previews for today are atrocious!
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« Reply #140 on: September 20, 2010, 08:33:33 am »

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« Reply #141 on: September 20, 2010, 09:25:59 am »

Oh lord, that thing is sweet. Shaman and Welder are gonna have a field party ! I can see Liquimetal Coating in a deck that runs 4 ancient grudge. Workshop is omni-present and Coating would allow you to vindicate your opponent 8 times for 4 cards and 12 mana. Ancient Grudge is also a bane to Vault Key


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« Reply #142 on: September 20, 2010, 10:30:26 am »

Liquimetal coating: I love that they are printing strong artifacts with activated abilities for aggressive/disruptive decks! This thing might make skullclamp maindeckable in christmas beatings.
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« Reply #143 on: September 20, 2010, 01:23:00 pm »

OMG Coating is hilarious.

In addition to what's been mentioned, other plays include killing anything with Nature's Claim, Quasali Pridemage, and Trygon Predator.

It'll be interesting to see what happens since Coating does not work with Null Rod in play,
meaning that playing both in the same deck generally won't work and playing Null Rod to combat it will be a counter strategy.
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« Reply #144 on: September 20, 2010, 03:35:03 pm »

and playing Null Rod to combat it will be a counter strategy.

This will probably not be a very strong counter stragtegy as the Coating player will very likely have some sort of artifact destruction in his deck  Wink
Best way to combat it will be to destroy it asap I guess.
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« Reply #145 on: September 20, 2010, 04:12:19 pm »

and playing Null Rod to combat it will be a counter strategy.

This will probably not be a very strong counter stragtegy as the Coating player will very likely have some sort of artifact destruction in his deck  Wink
Best way to combat it will be to destroy it asap I guess.
I use welders and shamans in my vial list, so that won't work either.

Do we have any confirmation about this card? Some are saying it is fake.
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« Reply #146 on: September 20, 2010, 04:25:01 pm »

The power level is ridiculous and would serve to polarize Standard into artifacts and dedicated artifact destruction + Liquimetal.  Hard to believe that they'd do that on purpose.
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« Reply #147 on: September 20, 2010, 05:08:14 pm »

It was from the source, mtgsalvation.  I hope it's real. 
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« Reply #148 on: September 20, 2010, 05:15:35 pm »

I checked on the boards. Apparently it is fake according to the community.
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« Reply #149 on: September 20, 2010, 09:30:35 pm »

It's seems to be ambiguous still.  The original source removed the card, but it's not clear whether that's because it was spoiled to early or because it wasn't real.   
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