[Innistrad SCD] Witchbane Orb

[LotusHead]

Witchbane Orb
4
Artifact    Rare
When Witchbane Orb enters the battlefield, destroy all Curses attached to you.
You have hexproof.

Well what have we here? Artifact hate vs Hurkyl's Recall? Duress effects? Gifts? Intuition? Tendrils?

Sure, it doesn't do much else but hexproof your domepiece, but isn't an artifact solution the the Hurkyl's Recall problem what we always wanted?

Also, Karn, Silver Golem can make it a 4/4 beater.

[Aace]

Uh... this is really not better than Leyline of Sanctity.

Considering that this costs 4, can be countered, and be subjected to artifact destruction, I'd say Leyline is way better.

[Tobi]

Doesn't this also shut down Oath activation?

[Lemnear]

It does

[LotusHead]

Uh... this is really not better than Leyline of Sanctity.

Considering that this costs 4, can be countered, and be subjected to artifact destruction, I'd say Leyline is way better.

True, but Shop decks aren't really worried about stuff being countered. We cast other lock pieces. But if we go first, and they waste a Force of Will on this, that's victory, yes? Shops decks sometimes have to bait threat after threat, lock piece after lock piece.

Also, shop decks can't be afraid or live in fear of artifact destruction for a thing like this. A trygon predator would only target this if there's nothing else.

[TheWhiteDragon]

And also if you run welders, that's awesomeness.  I'm glad they printed leyline of sanctity on an artifact.  It's about time.  If there's one thing vintage needed, it was a way to make shops better and playable by removing the threat of  hurkyl's and oath.  Maybe now people will give shop decks a chance in Vintage.

[BC]

I like it a lot.  The artifact Ivory Mask I've been waiting for.  Will definitely see play.

[Blue Lotus]

I think this is much better than leyline seeing that you can cast it. Pretty sure this will come out of the board as this really just hoses oath. Protection from hurkyls I don't see as that much of a big deal people will just switch to rebuild or ancient grudge or rack and ruin.

Also, I think shop lists are pretty tight as is. What would you cut from slash panther to add this? Or more lock based lists?

Interesting card, will see play, but probably doesn't belong in a maindeck.

[marcb]

I completely agree with the previous post. This may see play in SB as 2-3 of in place of Jester's Cap, and the fact that you can cast it if you draw it after your opening 7 is the reason to consider this over Leyline of Sanctity.

[Ten-Ten]

wow, hooray! more cards for shop decks....cuz they just aint powerful enough already  :/

[Meddling Mike]

Uh... this is really not better than Leyline of Sanctity.

Considering that this costs 4, can be countered, and be subjected to artifact destruction, I'd say Leyline is way better.

This sort of depends on context. Leyline of sanctity requires white mana, can't be cast off Mishra's Workshop and costs one colorless mana more under Lodestone Golem. So if we're talking about putting this card in a shops based deck I think this is probably better since Leyline of Sanctity would be essentially uncastable outside of random black lotus hands/having it in your opening hand.

[brokenbacon]

And also if you run welders, that's awesomeness.  I'm glad they printed leyline of sanctity on an artifact.  It's about time.  If there's one thing vintage needed, it was a way to make shops better and playable by removing the threat of  hurkyl's and oath.  Maybe now people will give shop decks a chance in Vintage.

wow, hooray! more cards for shop decks....cuz they just aint powerful enough already  :/

Agree with Ten-Ten. I think Shops has more than enough "fun" stuff already, thank you very much. Adding an artifact that says "no bounce, no Oath" seems like Wizards saying "Cool! We never think about the effect of our cards on Vintage! Let's absolutely turn the tables on the one really bad MU Shops has (Oath) with a $0.99 card! Oh, and if they weren't ridiculous enough already, we wouldn't know."
That is to say, I am not a fan of this "woohoo Shops cards" nonsense. Lodestone Golem and Phyrexian Metamorph were PLENTY for the next 5 years.

[TheWhiteDragon]

The only thing they need to do now is print a chalice with flash, or leyline of the trinisphere.  Do it WotC!  You're holding that oaken steak, drive it into Vintage's heart!

[LSD25]

definatly worth testing for games 2 and 3.  take out 2 revoker and crypt for this np.  this is great for all the oath in my mete.  i do think that it is stupid how good shops is though.  we need better fishies.

[madmanmike25]

leyline of the trinisphere

My pants just got tighter.

Regarding Oath, yeah it's nice vs that.  But there is already a card for Shops that is GREAT vs Oath and many don't even play it.   Mox, Orchard, Oath meet Mox, Shop, Smokestack.  Spirit tokens make great fodder and allow you to ramp Old Smokey.

Relax people, this is a sb card at best for decks that already have tight sb's.

Btw, wtf are curses and how can they be attached to you???

[Wagner]

Curse of the Bloody Tome
   2u
Enchantment - Aura Curse    Common
Enchant player
At the beginning of enchanted player's upkeep, that player puts the top two cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard.

3 spoiled so far, nothing awesome, but it seems to be the new wording for negative enchant players.

[Daenyth]

leyline of the trinisphere

My pants just got tighter.

Regarding Oath, yeah it's nice vs that.  But there is already a card for Shops that is GREAT vs Oath and many don't even play it.   Mox, Orchard, Oath meet Mox, Shop, Smokestack.  Spirit tokens make great fodder and allow you to ramp Old Smokey.

Relax people, this is a sb card at best for decks that already have tight sb's.

Btw, wtf are curses and how can they be attached to you???

I think "Curses" are either "Enchant Player" cards or a subtype of enchantment.

[Delha]

Btw, wtf are curses and how can they be attached to you???

I think "Curses" are either "Enchant Player" cards or a subtype of enchantment.

It's a subtype.

[madmanmike25]

Is it like the subtype 'Tribal'?  Does it affect Goyf?  I never understood how you can Tribal something...

[Delha]

Is it like the subtype 'Tribal'?  Does it affect Goyf?  I never understood how you can Tribal something...

Tribal is a supertype.

Equipment or Auras (as subtypes of Artifacts/Enchants) don't count as separate types for Goyf, so neither will Curses.

[Nefarias]

Is it like the subtype 'Tribal'?  Does it affect Goyf?  I never understood how you can Tribal something...

Best way to think about it is that Curse is pretty much like Arcane or Trap.

[yespuhyren]

Agree with Ten-Ten. I think Shops has more than enough "fun" stuff already, thank you very much. Adding an artifact that says "no bounce, no Oath" seems like Wizards saying "Cool! We never think about the effect of our cards on Vintage! Let's absolutely turn the tables on the one really bad MU Shops has (Oath) with a $0.99 card! Oh, and if they weren't ridiculous enough already, we wouldn't know."
That is to say, I am not a fan of this "woohoo Shops cards" nonsense. Lodestone Golem and Phyrexian Metamorph were PLENTY for the next 5 years.

I'm not saying Lodestone and Metamorph aren't good, but what are you talking about with thise card?  It doesn't say no bounce, it says no hurkyl's Recall.  Rebuild was always more a threat than Hurkyls, especially when we are talking about it and Oath, both cards that are locked out by a turn 1 chalice @2, workshops best play against oath.

This card itself can be blown up.  While dropping this in the right circumstance can win you a game, so can playing The Hive when your opponent drops a Moat.  This card is not broken, and I wouldn't even think about putting it in the board right now.  Tendrils doesn't worry me, and I'd rather play Jester's Cap against Oath.  2 extra mana to WIN vs stall makes a difference.  Maybe in the future, but for the next while this card is tier 2 at best in my opinion.