"The Unbroken" U/R Landstill: The Primer

[serracollector]

My 4 thrun, 4 river boa, 4 blurred mongoose, 4 rancor, 4 berserk deck always stomps landstill....and loses to everything else. HA!

Seriously tho, I been playing monoblue standstill for about 2 years, a slightly more aggro variant with Delvers/Snapcaster/Ninja of deep hours, and the only time I start having problems was when cavern of souls was printed.  This card gave HUMANS and WIZARDS, and Bomberman a little more edge.  Mind you tho, I am monocolored, and thus don't have EE to my disposal.  I been trying to control the creature age thru Psionic Blast (yes, psionic blast), and sower of temptation/old man of the sea.  And I will fully admit that bolts/EE are better than them, but alas my monoblue deck does really friggin well, winning me 1 tournament, and top 4ing another.  Standstill is an amzaing deck not just because it runs answers to about anything but simply because the tried and true way to win in Magic has always been CARD ADVANTAGE.  As Whitedragon mentioned earlier, any deck drawing 3 cards a turn, is probably going to win versus a deck drawing 1 a turn NO MATTER WHAT YOUR RUNNING.  Its all about the CA, u don't need bombs when your drawing 20 counters.  You don't need tutors when your drawing 3 a turn.  You don't need to win NOW, when you will always have an answer to anything your opponent tries to do, or simply say NO.  Thats why landstill is so good.

[oshkoshhaitsyosh]

UW Bomberman, and UR landstill are very simnilar. And actually UW bomberman is my second fav deck...

Both decks say NO, but I think Landstill has a slight edge. If I were to pick a runner up it is bomberman though. Every other blue deck gets lost a few steps behind IMO.

@Credmond
But are you dodging my previous post? ^ look above. I am curious on your testing/results/testing partners/etc read my previous. LOL its not going to hurt if you admit you may not be a great landstill pilot nor are your testing partners. But if they are then we just must have differing results. But if you can reply to my previous post ^^^

Also the white dragon dude, gets excited. This is a kick ass deck, so is bomberman, so why not get excited HAHA

My 4 thrun, 4 river boa, 4 blurred mongoose, 4 rancor, 4 berserk deck always stomps landstill....and loses to everything else. HA!

^LOL^ YESSSSSS!!! You solved it! Damn wishing you were keeping it a secret...

[credmond]

I have had great success with the deck. I have the same opinion as Shockwave that it is a good solid deck that is far from "unbeatable"

I think you fight against good blue pilots but that they underestimate the deck. Smennen, for example, is obviously a good blue pilot but he himself cannot reconcile how a deck like landstill that does not run full moxen could be consistent against Shops.

The last year Bomberman has had a much better year than Landstill. And both of you throw any credibility out the window by jumping from your old favorite to your new latest favorite deck with virtually the same rationale.

I would like to make a small suggestion that we start using clear reason and logic in this thread. We are no where near the point of even beginning to talk about Landstill as the dominant deck. Landstill wins because in many ways it is still surprising people that it wins. When people actually start prepping for it maybe then we will see how dominant it really is.

While Credmond likes to think that I play vs bad big blue pilots or bad pilots in general, I can go through my tournament wins and compile a huge list of ringers that fell victom of landstill. These same blue pilots have been seeing me play it for years now.

To say that the numbers don't prove landstill to be 65/35 vs rest of field...is true. But I am the only one semi consistently representing landstill at events that knows what they are doing. There are others here and there, but for the most part that's not the case. I personally go into every matchup feeling in the advantage. Some matchups may be 65/35, others 55/45, some 75/25, but I can honestly tell you, when I have landstill sleeved up I do not feel like a dog in an match...

I value tournament wins pretty high on a vintage resumme to judge how well someone is at a given archetype. Credmond, you say you have been playing landstill since 07' I think you said...Have you had success? If not do you think it is you or the deck? Or a combination of you, the deck, and your build? Maybe your lack of success or ease of beating landstill, is because you aren't good at building or piloting, or your opponent isn't good at piloting it when you test vs it. This is not an easy deck to play and build properly...

Like I said I play some of the best blue mages in the US while winning some of these events. If you want to assume that they are bad players...well, quite simply you are making an ass out of yourself. If you want me to compile a list of ringers that I consider some of the best in the world I will. And if you really wantI will link you to my reports where I mention them.

[oshkoshhaitsyosh]

I have had great success with the deck. I have the same opinion as Shockwave that it is a good solid deck that is far from "unbeatable"

I think you fight against good blue pilots but that they underestimate the deck. Smennen, for example, is obviously a good blue pilot but he himself cannot reconcile how a deck like landstill that does not run full moxen could be consistent against Shops.

The last year Bomberman has had a much better year than Landstill. And both of you throw any credibility out the window by jumping from your old favorite to your new atest favorite deck with virtually the same rationale.

I would like to make a small suggestion that we start using clear reason and logic in this thread. We are no where near the point of even beginning to talk about Landstill as the dominant deck. Landstill wins because in many ways it is still surprising people that it wins. When people actually start prepping for it maybe then we will see how dominant it really is.

While Credmond likes to think that I play vs bad big blue pilots or bad pilots in general, I can go through my tournament wins and compile a huge list of ringers that fell victom of landstill. These same blue pilots have been seeing me play it for years now.

To say that the numbers don't prove landstill to be 65/35 vs rest of field...is true. But I am the only one semi consistently representing landstill at events that knows what they are doing. There are others here and there, but for the most part that's not the case. I personally go into every matchup feeling in the advantage. Some matchups may be 65/35, others 55/45, some 75/25, but I can honestly tell you, when I have landstill sleeved up I do not feel like a dog in an match...

I value tournament wins pretty high on a vintage resumme to judge how well someone is at a given archetype. Credmond, you say you have been playing landstill since 07' I think you said...Have you had success? If not do you think it is you or the deck? Or a combination of you, the deck, and your build? Maybe your lack of success or ease of beating landstill, is because you aren't good at building or piloting, or your opponent isn't good at piloting it when you test vs it. This is not an easy deck to play and build properly...

Like I said I play some of the best blue mages in the US while winning some of these events. If you want to assume that they are bad players...well, quite simply you are making an ass out of yourself. If you want me to compile a list of ringers that I consider some of the best in the world I will. And if you really wantI will link you to my reports where I mention them.

Shockwave is also a guy who is still playing null rod in the deck. Which of course makes the deck less flexible and far from unbeatable. Again HAH, this is funny bc you will find nowhere have I ever said this is unbeatable. I personally said when I sleeve up landstill I never feel like a dog in any matchup...

Bomberman had a huge year bc Justin Kohler plays at EVERY SINGLE EVENT and ALWAYS plays bomberman. I play at maybe 1-2 events a month and I don't only play landstill. Both decks aren't played mch but Kohler plays in probably 3-4 events per month and again is ALWAYS on bomberman...

So if I understand you correctly. Me winning like a dozen events or so over the last couple years with this deck (all while I live in the same area with the same blue ringers) you think they underestimate this deck, and aren't good, o don't know how to play vs it? You are oe interesting fellow I must say...And like I said. You can meta your deck to beat landstill all you want, but I am generally the only one on the deck in the room...

Not to brag, but generally when I sleeve up landstill, I will be in the top 8. But as I stated I don't run it all the time as I like to switch it up now and then...

[credmond]

If by interesting you mean I am a guy who is being rational and reasonable in a thread that has been overrun by hyperbole, hubris, ego-stroking, and fanboy excitement, then yes I am an interesting fellow.

To reiterate - We are no where near the point of even beginning to talk about Landstill as the dominant deck. Landstill wins because in many ways it is still surprising people that it wins. When people actually start prepping for it maybe then we will see how dominant it really is.

[oshkoshhaitsyosh]

If by interesting you mean I am a guy who is being rational and reasonable in a thread that has been overrun by hyperbole, hubris, ego-stroking, and fanboy excitement, then yes I am an interesting fellow.

To reiterate - We are no where near the point of even beginning to talk about Landstill as the dominant deck. Landstill wins because in many ways it is still surprising people that it wins. When people actually start prepping for it maybe then we will see how dominant it really is.

Well I think you're wrong. People can't make a deck to target landstill when there may be 1-2 people in a room running it. I have already faced hate bear decks, thrun, needles, etc. So I guess I will be waiting on this remora big blue deck. As if Doomsday Gush and Bomberman aren't strong blue decks. What don't you get? If you over compensate a deck to beat landstill you will sacrafice other matchups...

"Landstill wins because in many ways it is still surprising people that it wins"...LOL maybe this is true where you live. But not where I am from 

I think you're wrong (you still haven't shown me any sort of results or actual proof that you know how to play/build/pilot this archetype), you think I am wrong (while successful in this archetype in 2 different formats for a LONG time), so we will leave it at that and agree to disagree haha

[Stormanimagus]

A well tuned Human Aggro list with Cavern of Souls can beat Landstill more than 50% of the time I'd say. The formula is pretty simply, Land a Knight of the Reliquary before they can land a Jace and keep the threats coming. Don't get me wrong, it is a huge battle and they have a lot of great hate for the human deck, but Cavern of Souls can be a royal pain in the ass for them. Too bad, no Vintage player plays Human/Caverns. . . yet .

-Storm

[credmond]

It's not really a matter of agree to disagree. You simply don't have logic on your side. You are making claims that can't be backed up. Landstill has had a pretty dry year overall and the claims of dominant status are premature. Your victory parade at having solved Vintage is premature as well.

[serracollector]

Im still going with Landstill wins cuz it has the best draw Engines.  Drawing more cards = winning more games.  Seems pretty simple to me.  Just saying "NO" to anything relevant your opponent tries to do is a pretty damn good strategy.

Just wait til the NE starts pumping those monogreen Riverboa Rancor decks out, your going down Josh!!

that reminds me, ofc this deck will also include Troll Ascetic as well 

[oshkoshhaitsyosh]

Credmond you seem like a troll. Move on to a new thread to litter  

I can be arrogant about this deck, because I put up the results. Sorry if your results differ

Oh and I don't have logic on my side? Hah you are a funny feller LOL

[credmond]

I am not a troll. I am the opposite of a troll. I am a logic and clear-thinking enforcer.

You simply don't have logic on your side. You are making claims that can't be backed up. Landstill has had a pretty dry year overall and the claims of dominant status are premature. Your victory parade at having solved Vintage is premature as well.

Credmond you seem like a troll. Move on to a new thread to litter  

I can be arrogant about this deck, because I put up the results. Sorry if your results differ

Oh and I don't have logic on my side? Hah you are a funny feller LOL

[oshkoshhaitsyosh]

I am not a troll. I am the opposite of a troll. I am a logic and clear-thinking enforcer.

You simply don't have logic on your side. You are making claims that can't be backed up. Landstill has had a pretty dry year overall and the claims of dominant status are premature. Your victory parade at having solved Vintage is premature as well.

Credmond you seem like a troll. Move on to a new thread to litter  

I can be arrogant about this deck, because I put up the results. Sorry if your results differ

Oh and I don't have logic on my side? Hah you are a funny feller LOL

So now I have solved vintage? Where you find that quote? Hah Landstill is a pretty dry deck as not many people play it. Your knowledge of this deck is premature if you ask me. You lack a general understanding...or...well...m any things regarding this deck

Move on you clear thinking enforcer you...HAHAHAHA

[Phele]

Just a note: I have found all the three mana permanent artifact/enchantment destroyers to be quite good against landstill: Trygon, Viashino Heretic. Yes, they can be bolted, countered and jaced, but at least they can clear the path for other threats you are playing against landstill.

[credmond]

That's cool. We can leave it at this. I am sure it's more than evident to anyone who is reading this thread who is sober in their line of thinking and who is prone to overexuberance and hubris.

[oshkoshhaitsyosh]

Just a note: I have found all the three mana permanent artifact/enchantment destroyers to be quite good against landstill: Trygon, Viashino Heretic. Yes, they can be bolted, countered and jaced, but at least they can clear the path for other threats you are playing against landstill.

Yeah they can be nice little speed bumps for sure! I use heretic when facing the mirror match so it's funny you mentioned him. But yeah the cards you mentioned are cards that slow a landstill player down a little...Don't forget devout witness in some bomberman sideboards!

That's cool. We can leave it at this. I am sure it's more than evident to anyone who is reading this thread who is sober in their line of thinking and who is prone to overexuberance and hubris.

Yeah you got me, I am so unqualified to talk about this deck or have knowlede regarding it. I take what you say with a grain of salt...   Later on duder

Hubris - Excessive pride or self-confidence...Fucking right I have excessive pride in putting up results with landstill hah come get some! Self-confidence, well yeah I am confident so this is great! Thanks

[StanleyAugust]

I don't get why some take TheWhiteDragon seriously. I mean, his statements can only be meant as trolling comments.

[boggyb]

p.s. I highly recommend everyone who's interested in this deck watch this match, Potucek v. Gans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB_qQ9clltQ . Remora Gush vs. Landstill, with EE.

[Tha Gunslinga]

As a LandStill player, I would cheerfully face G/W all day.  It's one of my best matchups.  All you do is counter or burn all their guys, go for the occasional 2-for-1 with Fire/Ice, pick up a 3-for-1 with Engineered Explosives, or just sb them out and ignore their Null Rods or whatever.  I run 3 Snapcasters, which are ungodly good vs GW.  You eventually land a Jace or a Crucible, and it's game over.

[Wagner]

p.s. I highly recommend everyone who's interested in this deck watch this match, Potucek v. Gans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB_qQ9clltQ . Remora Gush vs. Landstill, with EE.

Nice game, but really, the whole Y. Will turn was a bit odd, he put all that setup for basically nothing, and he should have known the Landstill player had a Jace in hand, he had just discarded a Steel Sabotage. Nice job coming back from a mulligan at 5 still.

[oshkoshhaitsyosh]

p.s. I highly recommend everyone who's interested in this deck watch this match, Potucek v. Gans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB_qQ9clltQ . Remora Gush vs. Landstill, with EE.

Thanks for finding that haha...here is the link for game 3 of that match

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6KlEV6gmRw

I had firm control but went to turns and he was at 2 life. Haha too bad game 1 took so long. So that match ended in a draw...

[credmond]

p.s. I highly recommend everyone who's interested in this deck watch this match, Potucek v. Gans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB_qQ9clltQ . Remora Gush vs. Landstill, with EE.

Nice game, but really, the whole Y. Will turn was a bit odd, he put all that setup for basically nothing, and he should have known the Landstill player had a Jace in hand, he had just discarded a Steel Sabotage. Nice job coming back from a mulligan at 5 still.

The Y Will turn underscores how people just play bad against Landstill as if they haven't tested the matchup enough. Going all in with Tinker out of will was just bad since the chance of a jace out was so high. He should have replayed remora(s) and vampiric and gone for fastbond then gush mystical gush into land dominance and then play Tinker with remora backup or leverage his goyfs for the win. By not going for fastbond the remora player bottlenecked himself badly. The remora player had everything he needed to simply brutalize the landstill player at that point. When playing against Landstill you don't want to go all in but instead look to push out ahead. Once Landstill is behind it has a hard time getting back into the game.

Even with that punt, the remora player had enough power to put landstill on its knees and the end shows the utility of remora to that effect.

[credmond]

As a LandStill player, I would cheerfully face G/W all day.  It's one of my best matchups.  All you do is counter or burn all their guys, go for the occasional 2-for-1 with Fire/Ice, pick up a 3-for-1 with Engineered Explosives, or just sb them out and ignore their Null Rods or whatever.  I run 3 Snapcasters, which are ungodly good vs GW.  You eventually land a Jace or a Crucible, and it's game over.

I see a throw down possible (on Cockatrice) between you and Storm or you and Guli. Both of those players extensively test the Landstill matchup. I think we might want to re-examine the "cheerfully face G/W all day." *cough* Hubris *cough*

[oshkoshhaitsyosh]

p.s. I highly recommend everyone who's interested in this deck watch this match, Potucek v. Gans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB_qQ9clltQ . Remora Gush vs. Landstill, with EE.

Nice game, but really, the whole Y. Will turn was a bit odd, he put all that setup for basically nothing, and he should have known the Landstill player had a Jace in hand, he had just discarded a Steel Sabotage. Nice job coming back from a mulligan at 5 still.

The Y Will turn underscores how people just play bad against Landstill as if they haven't tested the matchup enough. Going all in with Tinker out of will was just bad since the chance of a jace out was so high. He should have replayed remora(s) and vampiric and gone for fastbond then gush mystical gush into land dominance and leverage his goyfs for the win. By not going for fastbond the remora player bottlenecked himself badly. The remora player had everything he needed to brutalize the landstill player.

Even with that punt, the remora player had enough power to put landstill on its knees and the end shows the utility of remora to that effect.

Here is game 2...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRwvoOflmkk

So I lost in a long game 1, won in game 2, and had firm control in game three getting him to 2 life when the turns ended. Certain situations remora is good, but again...remora isn't good in current meta. Prove me wrong with that? EE puts crature decks on their knees more then remora puts landstill on its knees. You are a silly man  

So what are your explanations for me having firm contol in gme 2 and 3. Idk why I waste my breathe with someone like you...Show me your results in vintage in a given archetype, you still have yet to show me. Makes me think you are a cockatrice superstar.

When GW decks, Human decks, or any random bullshit deck like that becomes a part of a real meta game other then a cockatrice meta game I will address the matchup more at that point if I need to. Simple fact is that it's not a real part of any meta game. The little experience I have had playing the matchup I was fine with it...

Call it hubris, arrogance, confidence, idc frankly lol

Josh, you're better than this.  You could have made your point, and a strong one at that, without taking any jabs at other players in this thread.  This will not be tolerated.  Verbal warning - Prospero.

[credmond]

I think most important for you to see is how badly he played the Y Will turn when he had everything he needed to simply bury you at that point.

You say you play against the best blue players in the world and they are fully prepped against you. That player is obviously a very good blue player but he chose a tactically bad line of play against you. When the players start to understand Landstill and make the necessary tactical shifts against it . . .

Also, the video shows the power of remora as a tool against Landstill plain and simple. And you laughed it off. Now you are conceding that remora is good but not great in meta (at least until people choose to fight landstill). My argument is made. You only have recourse to some ad hominem argument at this point.

p.s. I highly recommend everyone who's interested in this deck watch this match, Potucek v. Gans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB_qQ9clltQ . Remora Gush vs. Landstill, with EE.

Nice game, but really, the whole Y. Will turn was a bit odd, he put all that setup for basically nothing, and he should have known the Landstill player had a Jace in hand, he had just discarded a Steel Sabotage. Nice job coming back from a mulligan at 5 still.

The Y Will turn underscores how people just play bad against Landstill as if they haven't tested the matchup enough. Going all in with Tinker out of will was just bad since the chance of a jace out was so high. He should have replayed remora(s) and vampiric and gone for fastbond then gush mystical gush into land dominance and leverage his goyfs for the win. By not going for fastbond the remora player bottlenecked himself badly. The remora player had everything he needed to brutalize the landstill player.

Even with that punt, the remora player had enough power to put landstill on its knees and the end shows the utility of remora to that effect.

Here is game 2...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRwvoOflmkk

So I lost in a long game 1, won in game 2, and had firm control in game three getting him to 2 life when the turns ended. Certain situations remora is good, but again...remora isn't good in current meta. Prove me wrong with that? EE puts crature decks on their knees more then remora puts landstill on its knees. You are a silly man  

So what are your explanations for me having firm contol in gme 2 and 3. Idk why I waste my breathe with someone like you...Show me your results in vintage in a given archetype, you still have yet to show me. Makes me think you are a cockatrice superstar

[oshkoshhaitsyosh]

I don't consider my opponent in that video one of the best lol. Seth Levy, Matt Elias, John Jones (in turbo tezz era), Butker with DD gush, etc, etc. Many of which i considered the best have retired, but u get my point. You still haven't shown me anything that makes you have any real world tournament experience. You simply gawk from the sidelines or play with your cockatrice lol. If I am worn prove me wrong. If not ok then lol.

The east coast vintage scene is packed with THE BEST vintage players. We play regularly more then most parts of the country. Saying remora is good against landstill is like saying Reb, Flusterstorm, and Mindbreak trap are good against landstill. They all pull a counter in situations. But the fact is REMORA IS NOT GOOD IN THE META RIGHT NOW. You haven't disproven most of my points. You saying remora puts landstill on its knees is wrong. It is more or less a speed bump just as Reb Flusterstorm and trap would be. Thrun and moon effects are closer to putting landstill on its knees then remora, sorry dude. If you can't agree with that then you are wackadoo. Maybe you just got over excited and used the phrase "puts landstill on its knees", rather then saying "its something landstill has to combat at times"...which would have been way more accurate.

[credmond]

Again with the ad hominem . . . . At this point it is clear to any outside observer that my argument has been made. You would have a better time arguing if you could put your ego aside.

I don't consider my opponent in that video one of the best lol. Seth Levy, Matt Elias, John Jones (in turbo tezz era), Butker with DD gush, etc, etc. Many of which i considered the best have retired, but u get my point. You still haven't shown me anything that makes you have any real world tournament experience. You simply gawk from the sidelines or play with your cockatrice lol. If I am worn prove me wrong. If not ok then lol.

The east coast vintage scene is packed with THE BEST vintage players. We play regularly more then most parts of the country. Saying remora is good against landstill is like saying Reb, Flusterstorm, and Mindbreak trap are good against landstill. They all pull a counter in situations. But the fact is REMORA IS NOT GOOD IN THE META RIGHT NOW. You haven't disproven most of my points. You saying remora puts landstill on its knees is wrong. It is more or less a speed bump just as Reb Flusterstorm and trap would be. Thrun and moon effects are closer to putting landstill on its knees then remora, sorry dude. If you can't agree with that then you are wackadoo. Maybe you just got over excited and used the phrase "puts landstill on its knees", rather then saying "its something landstill has to combat at times"...which would have been way more accurate.

[oshkoshhaitsyosh]

This whole argument started bc you got upset that I didn't agree that landstill has a bad GW bear matchup. The white dragons post were over excitement while he is kind of true. Then you say I am jumping on the hubris bandwagon. While the fact of the matter is, I put up the best results with this deck. I know this deck the best, I pilot it among the best, I build them properly, etc. It's not an ego thing at all. It's that I am the guy that puts up most of the results with this deck and I DO have the most experience with this deck. You then you get bent and say this...

Oh and remora is also pretty handy tech at putting Landstill on its knees.

To me you sound like a cockatrice superstar that loves to run bear decks and think that blue players are bad, etc, etc, and would like to see a rise of GW hate decks. I am allowed to disagree with you saying it puts landstill on its knees bc it is far from that. I can name atleast 6 other cards/decks that I am more afraid of. You nit pick my arguments and say its hubris, this and that, or whatever bullshit you come up with. But I'm sorry, I know this deck better then you...So I am allowed to disagree

I am still waiting to see your results you have put up. You can PM me them sometime or feel free to post right in here  

Maybe I am wrong, but do you play regularly on cockatrice and love GW hate decks?

Also using your big words is fun but more of a distraction...Ad hominem - (of an argument or reaction) Arising from or appealing to the emotions and not reason or logic. My logic behind why I disagree is because I have infinite more knowledge/experience on this deck then you...remora is weak in a meta with missteps and creatures. That is logic? Is it not? Remora puts landstill on its knees? Speaking of ad hominem...you are speaking from emotions, a closet GW bear lover, or a dislike for landstill in general...

I have played vs remora enough in my past to know it doesn't put landstill on its knees. You were getting emotional as I and others weren't agreeing with you. Then you resort to big words and sillyness to make up the difference. Sorry I don't agree with you

[credmond]

Huh? The video shows remora to be a tactically strong tool against Landstill. So if Landstill rises in the meta then Remora presents itself as a tool. Argument made.

FYI, I am a Rats player and I dominate the Yu-Gi_Yoh tables. Sorry, I simply ignore ad hominems. Let's keep the discussion in the realm of logic.

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

This whole argument started bc you got upset that I didn't agree that landstill has a bad GW bear matchup. The white dragons post were over excitement while he is kind of true. Then you say I am jumping on the hubris bandwagon. While the fact of the matter is, I put up the best results with this deck. I know this deck the best, I pilot it among the best, I build them properly, etc. It's not an ego thing at all. It's that I am the guy that puts up most of the results with this deck and I DO have the most experience with this deck. You then you get bent and say this...

Oh and remora is also pretty handy tech at putting Landstill on its knees.

To me you sound like a cockatrice superstar that loves to run bear decks and think that blue players are bad, etc, etc, and would like to see a rise of GW hate decks. I am allowed to disagree with you saying it puts landstill on its knees bc it is far from that. I can name atleast 6 other cards/decks that I am more afraid of. You nit pick my arguments and say its hubris, this and that, or whatever bullshit you come up with. But I'm sorry, I know this deck better then you...So I am allowed to disagree

I am still waiting to see your results you have put up. You can PM me them sometime or feel free to post right in here  

Maybe I am wrong, but do you play regularly on cockatrice and love GW hate decks?

[oshkoshhaitsyosh]

Huh? The video shows remora to be a tactically strong tool against Landstill. So if Landstill rises in the meta then Remora presents itself as a tool. Argument made.

FYI, I am a Rats player and I dominate the Yu-Gi_Yoh tables. Sorry, I simply ignore ad hominems. Let's keep the discussion in the realm of logic.

This whole argument started bc you got upset that I didn't agree that landstill has a bad GW bear matchup. The white dragons post were over excitement while he is kind of true. Then you say I am jumping on the hubris bandwagon. While the fact of the matter is, I put up the best results with this deck. I know this deck the best, I pilot it among the best, I build them properly, etc. It's not an ego thing at all. It's that I am the guy that puts up most of the results with this deck and I DO have the most experience with this deck. You then you get bent and say this...

Oh and remora is also pretty handy tech at putting Landstill on its knees.

To me you sound like a cockatrice superstar that loves to run bear decks and think that blue players are bad, etc, etc, and would like to see a rise of GW hate decks. I am allowed to disagree with you saying it puts landstill on its knees bc it is far from that. I can name atleast 6 other cards/decks that I am more afraid of. You nit pick my arguments and say its hubris, this and that, or whatever bullshit you come up with. But I'm sorry, I know this deck better then you...So I am allowed to disagree

I am still waiting to see your results you have put up. You can PM me them sometime or feel free to post right in here  

Maybe I am wrong, but do you play regularly on cockatrice and love GW hate decks?

So remora is a strong tool bc "sometimes" it will pull a counter. I can name a 100 other cards that can do the same. And we all can name cards that are decent against certain matchups...

You sure talk like a rats player dominating the Yu-Gi_Yoh tables...

I like the link you added  I am not attacking you, I am questioning how good of a player you are and how much experience you actually have.

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So remora is a strong tool bc "sometimes" it will pull a counter. I can name a 100 other cards that can do the same. And we all can name cards that are decent against certain matchups...

You sure talk like a rats player dominating the Yu-Gi_Yoh tables...

I like the link you added  I am not attacking you, I am questioning how good of a player you are and how much experience you actually have.

Oh, the irony . . .