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« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2015, 11:38:30 pm »

I'm more curious why Bazaar of Baghdad and Mishra's Workshops (especially) aren't even higher?  Weren't the print runs much, much smaller than unlimited?

And yet an Ancestral Recall (which was printed in Alpha, beta, Unlimited, and two collector's editions), is still worth 2-3 times what a Workshops is?  Workshop was way less printed, and a player needs four of them!?

Not that I'm complaining, but assumed Workshops would have appreciated more.
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« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2015, 03:08:17 am »

Interesting question. I assume that while the overall print run might have been lower, there are way less individual cards in these small sets, leading to a higher number of prints. Also, I think that a whopping 60-70% of Vintage players are just not interested in these decks, leading to less demand.
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« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2015, 01:03:49 pm »

Probably because EDH doesnt care too much about Mishra's Workshop? I remember back in the day before EDH gained huge popularity, Mishra's Workshop was about as much as a Mox.  Shops was the most expensive deck to play.
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« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2015, 01:27:43 pm »

Probably because EDH doesnt care too much about Mishra's Workshop? I remember back in the day before EDH gained huge popularity, Mishra's Workshop was about as much as a Mox.  Shops was the most expensive deck to play.

Moxen are also banned in EDH.

Personally, I think that Workshops will catch up with Moxen in the future. I've made a point to acquire my set of Workshops this year.
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« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2015, 02:32:39 pm »

Probably because EDH doesnt care too much about Mishra's Workshop? I remember back in the day before EDH gained huge popularity, Mishra's Workshop was about as much as a Mox.  Shops was the most expensive deck to play.

Moxen are also banned in EDH.

Personally, I think that Workshops will catch up with Moxen in the future. I've made a point to acquire my set of Workshops this year.

Indeed, Workshop, Bazaar and Mana Drain are all legal in EDH and yet haven't jumped that much in price compared to the P9. Timetwister is the only EDH really expensive card that went up a ton.

Really glad I wasn't able to get rid of my P9 when prices were stagnant. My 13 pieces are now worth ridiculous money. Question remains if better to sell now or wait some more.
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« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2015, 03:14:49 pm »

I think as long as it continues to be a luxury to more and more people, the price will rise because of supply and demand.  Magic is going strong for a long time and has a fan base in multiple generations.  I could definitely see it still being a game 10  years from now.  Black Lotus will practically be a legend.
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« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2015, 03:56:29 pm »

I'm more curious why Bazaar of Baghdad and Mishra's Workshops (especially) aren't even higher?  Weren't the print runs much, much smaller than unlimited?

And yet an Ancestral Recall (which was printed in Alpha, beta, Unlimited, and two collector's editions), is still worth 2-3 times what a Workshops is?  Workshop was way less printed, and a player needs four of them!?

Not that I'm complaining, but assumed Workshops would have appreciated more.

Honestly, I think there's a lot to be said for the value of simply being a member of the power nine. Heck, look at how much a Timetwister fetches while being far less played than any of the other power, bazaar, or workshop. I just got mine simply to "finish the set"

Personally, I think that Workshops will catch up with Moxen in the future. I've made a point to acquire my set of Workshops this year.

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« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2015, 05:29:20 pm »

Looking at pricing makes me sad that I saw a Walk and an Ancestral for under $400 each about a year ago.  I wonder how high they are now? I was visiting the area and traded in a bunch of stuff I wouldn't use really which ended up paying for my plane ticket there ($800+) but taking it in store credit would have been close to $1200 for a good amount of stuff!  All in all I think I made the correct choice but still!
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« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2015, 11:28:58 pm »

I've read through this thread, and I feel like sharing some of my experiences. MTGO would be the best place to play Vintage if it were anything more than a dysfunctional version of software that is free. Vintage on MODO also lacks the "cool" feeling that the original versions of the cards provide. One can find top quality opponents there, but the Vintage meta has been seriously limited because of bugs, complications, and the inability to recreate assumed outcomes such as infinite loops. On top of that the payouts are low, and I don't think they even have swiss events. I bought into Vintage on MTGO, but traded out of it shortly after learning swiss tournaments were no longer available. I'm not trying to be negative about MTGO because I think it is really cool, and I would definitely play there still if these issues were solved.

Personally, I like testing with software because it eliminates all of the shuffling, so it is time efficient. However, I do like to play in large tournaments in person every now and then. Almost no Vintage is played where I am from, so I sold all of those decks and what power I had around eight years ago. As far as the future of Vintage is concerned, I hope it keeps improving. I think it is more fun right now than it has ever been. I do think the prices on power represent some serious problems where sanctioned Magic is concerned. Its hard to say where we will end up. I do know that I will eventually own the power 9, but it will likely sit in a bank most of the year.

I think the most urgent problem is fake cards. I'm interested to see where this goes and how its handled. The VSL has obviously been good for the format, and I hope more things are done to raise interest in it. It used to be difficult at times to find good opponents, but at least this is getting solved. Hopefully cards prices get solved next Smile
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