Maybe I should post this in the basic user community?  Would more people see it?

Anyway, no, I haven't played in a very long time. 

Hopefully that will change sometime soon, but I'm sure so much has happened since I've stopped playing that type 1 probably looks like a different format.

Hey guys!!  My has it been a long time since I've posted.

I was reminiscing recently about vintage days long past and it seems that the old SCG trash talking thread has been obliterated.  I don't know if any of you remember it...it was the announcement thread leading up to the first Star City Games P9 event, which would have been sometime in the early summer of 2004.  Does anyone have it??  I would LOVE exclamation point to read it again.

I've already talked to Jacob, and even he can't seem to recover it citing a glitch in TMD's archiving as they changed forum software (or some such tech talk). So I'm hoping that one of you have the thread.

Can anyone help this vintage old timer?

Bressmilx
lvl 24 hunter on Draenor

The game is amazing.  And since everyone is on Dreanor, it's effectively become the new instant messanger.

http://www.playfeed.com/index.php/playfeed/article/e3_interview_mark_rosewater_magic_gathering_05230534/

The title of the post says it all.  Thoughts?

http://www.playfeed.com/index.php/playfeed/article/e3_interview_mark_rosewater_magic_gathering_05230534/

The title of the post says it all.  Thoughts?

Congrats Dante!  It's always great to see fellow TMDers moving up in the world.

If you have any questions about the process and what's left to be done just ask.

I'll be flying out for the event...and I'll be bringing AT LEAST one more Virginia TSBer with me

If this is simply a poll thread, I'll just voice my opinion rather than explain in detail why I think this way.  

I am in favor of hitting ritual and 3sphere more than anything else.  Both of these cards contribute to problematic decks, ie. decks whos strategies rely on winning/effectively winning before interactivity occurs.

Eliminating interactivity altogether should not be a reliable deck strategy.

I wouldn't mind seeing more than just those cards go of course, as I like to see a dynamic format in flux with a plethora of new ideas being played.

I presume this was aimed at me.



Well, if you're really that interested, I make up an interesting demographic of magic players...

I am a 26 year old realtor from Northern Virginia.  
I am not yet independently wealthy.  I still have to work for a living just like everyone else.
I spend most of my days meeting with clients, making phone calls, showing houses, negotiating contracts, listening to motivational tapes, and working out.
I recently purchased a house, and I do have a mortgage to pay every month.
I am single with a steady girl friend who demands a large amount of my time; we actually went out this evening and celebrated not only valentines day, but also her 49th b.day as well.

I'm really pretty normal for my demographic group, ie. mid/late 20's
working
home owner
g.friend


Regardless, I will be attending SCG syracuse.  I am flying out for the event.  Given the amount of time I spend on this site, the relationships I have with the people here, the impact type 1 has had on my time and even my own personal development, I feel as though I would be missing a tremendous opportunity if I didn't go.

These events make being part of this community all worth while for me.  I think of all the time I put into type 1, be it playtesting, reading, or even just thinking about the format.  These trips are the culmination of all that...  

Every time I fly out to a tourney it costs me about $300, which is a significant sum of money.  But the fact is, this hobby of mine is very meaningful to me (it damn well better be given the amount of time I have invested), and to meet everyone associated with it, to interact with everyone that I would otherwise just read text from; I know that's not something that I'll always be able to do.  There will come a time when people move on; people leave the format, TMD shuts down, vintage fades out.  Before any of that happens I want to enjoy this community that I am a part of, and I'm willing to pay a premium for these experiences.

Do I enjoy playing type 1?  HELL YEAH!

For some bizarro reason the guys voted down my original suggestion:

TEAM LESBIAN PINK

oh well





See, cause the implication is that I, like, put a weiner in kowal's pooper and it got stuck; and so I, like, had to, like, no more the genitals, and then, you know, the anus.  So then kowal, had to like, super pow the bungus, and then ansu anus shit pooper the butt stinkor assholepants COCK BLAST...BLAMMO!!!!

I don't think that will be a problem.  Many of the "good" players from TMD already read SCG regularly, so they know how supportive SCG has been of our format.  Short of TMD there is no site in existence that promotes vintage like SCG does.  We are having what is essentially a type 1 grand prix series compliments of starcity.  "Good" players, players that have invested the time and energy it takes to become "good" in vintage, the players that truly have an interest in seeing this format, our format, succeed, know that SCG is going to need their support for all of this.  SCG lost a lot of money at their last event due to some unfortunate weather.  It would be a great tragedy for them to discontinue this series next year because of finances.

Now I go to as many of their events as I can, but even if I didn't, I can recognize the value of a type 1 grand prix circuit for the continued growth of our format.  But it's not just about the tournaments.  Their commitment to type 1 is nothing short of amazing.  Front page articles by our own TMDers; a dedicated type 1 forum with people PAID to keep up the discussions on a daily basis; this is the type of behavior that will keep type 1 growing.

I will support SCG because I support what they are doing and have done for the format I love.  For me, this has little to do with access to articles, that's bonus.

The way I see it, I'm not paying for articles on the internet, I'm supporting my format.

While the article is rather tongue and cheek, the messages it sends are quite profound.  I really liked it Veggies, super hot!

Ben fucking rodcks i have eric miller on all your face

they both are win the game


and i  am kill lyou

I think the term I used was "puzzle blackjack", but you certainly captured the flavor of what I meant, saucey.  After the tournament I goldfished a few hands under the coaching of smmenen and the rest of meandeck.  Turn 1 goldfish kills occur more often than not, ie. above 50% of the time. The deck is quite simply an abomination.  In fact, I refused to acknowledge any other name for the deck, in my eyes the deck's name was/is: "Meandeck Abomination", period.

I was talking to the canadians early in the tournament when we had first got wind of Meandeck Abomination.  After round 1, Hi-val made mention that it's turn 1 goldfish was up around 70%.  Obviously I thought he was exaggerating as did everyone else, I didn't think the cards existed to push it that fast.  Obviously I was wrong.

The deck pushes magic into a realm that is no longer magic.  Is there "skill" involved in that realm?  Of course.  There is skill at every point where a decision must be made.  The decision to change up the maindeck by a card or two = skill.  The decision of how to modify the sideboard for the metagame = skill.  The decision of whether to keep or to mull = skill.  The decision on how to alter your game plan based on whether you won the die roll = skill.  The decisions on what order to play out the spells in your opening hand = skill.

But, by and large, it reduces the game to a puzzle solving problem devoid of player interaction.  

The deck is truly the antithesis of a game with more than one player.

Saucey, your annalysis of Meandeck Abomination as puzzle blackjack is spot on.  But you left out one very important parallel.  In blackjack, the dealer is irrelavent.  He makes ZERO decisions.  He could be a trained chimp, or a robot, or a guy who forgets to bring his ID to the nudey bar.  The dealer shows his hand and he either has a higher number or he doesn't, and that's it.  There is no game for the dealer, there is no back and forth, there is only "let's compare our hands".   The parallel is obvious.  When playing against this deck the opponent either has an answer to "first turn BLAMMO!" or he doesn't, and the game is decided.  This is how the games will go MORE THAN 50% OF THE TIME (remember our turn 1 kill is up around 70%).

IMO this is simply unacceptable, it is a distortion of magic and should not exist.  No player should be allowed to reduce tournament level magic to this.  


Still, the deck only put one of its pilots in top 8...and it had 11 people running it.  Given the strength of the players running the deck, and the fact that it was a surprise (ie. rogue), you would expect a better showing.   But, regardless of the reason for this, I would still shoot for restriction of a number of different cards, the primary offenders being dark ritual and tendrils.  F metagame distortion.  F dominance.  Consistant turn 1 kills are not acceptable from any tournament calibur deck.

So back onto the topic of this thread, my predictions for 2005: rit and tendrils both get the axe.

The tournament was AWESOME!!  Ray ran a fantastic event and I expect that this won't be the last waterbury I attend this year.  There were SOO many cool people there that I wish I had more time to chill with, but you can only squeeze in so many hours into one weekend.



This is one of my biggest regrets actually.  I didn't even get to have a conversation with you.  F magic, we should have gone out for drinks after the event for certain.  However, when I asked about you, word on the street was you already had an engagement...

So I had to settle for the company of other meandeckers.  Meandeckers that would forget their ID's at the most inopportune time imaginable...

ugh.

Funny story about that...

I went back inside to go and talk some sense into that bouncer, and here was the conversation that followed.

I walk back inside, and the bouncer stands infront of me.  He's a short stocky white guy with a beard in his late 30's.  I go up to him immediately and begin.  "Look, my buddy here just forgot his ID, we've driven over 40 minutes to get here and we were really looking forward to this.  Is there anything we can do to work this out?"

"Nope, nothing we can do."  He seemed pretty firm on that.  Said it very matter of factly, like he had already made his decision and there was simply going to be no reasoning with him.  This was apparently the case.

"I know we can reach some kind of an arrangement.  There's no reason we can't."  You can already see where i'm going with this.

"No.  No kind of arrangement we can reach."  Again, said completely without hesitation.

I smile, "Heh.  I know you guys all work on tips here," I flash the hundred I'm holding between my index and middle finger like a cigarette. "My buddy just forgot his ID, we came a long way for this and we just wanna have a good time.  I know we can work something out."  I hold out the hundred like I'm offering it to him.

"Nothing we can work out."  He doesn't budge at all from his original position.  Not at all.  Doesn't waiver, doesn't hesitate.  It was absolutely mind blowing.

I stand there totally dumbstruck for a moment or two thinking to myself "what the fuck".  And I turn and leave in disbelief.  

I then come back outside to meet up with the gang.  I remember opening my mouth to explain what had transpired, but words not coming out.  I was still in shock at the reaction I had just received from the bouncer...

At that point someone, possibly smmenen, said they were just going to leave...again my mind was a little hazey on these details because I was in shock.

Ugh.

In retrospect, I think it's pretty clear that he thought that saucey was infact underage.  We had two guys with us that were exactly 18 years old, Kowal and Big Chuck, which makes saucey's lack of ID seem very suspicious.  Couple that with saucey's gross lack of chest hair and you can really see that the bouncer was trying to keep out the kiddies.

Still, my inability to sway the guard to my side, that was what really hurt.  Failed charisma check

You gave it to Timmy McCantdrink??!!  WTF were you thinking man???? You could have given it to any of the following:

Mike Okk
Ben T. Rection
Willy C. Ertits
Justin K. Cyspooge
Gabe Uttsex

I mean, c'mon man, get with the program here.

If it's happening, count me in.

From the Padres:
Sexy new shirt from banana republic
Bedroom set for my new house

From the Bro:
Street Fighter anniversary collection (PS2)
Contra shattered soldier (PS2)
Rygar (PS2)

From the Self:
Laptop computer

From the Woman:
Under-tree-entry

And just what are you trying to say mr miller?  I can tell you for certain that there are guys with those attributes who will not only take notice of this tourney, but who will play in it themselves.  (Don't make me a liar by not showing up now, Zherbus )


as for the questions...

1) metagame: speed combo
2) person/team in money: obviously shortbus
3) new decks? old decks?: 2 brand new archetypes will emerge from this tourney
4) if waterbury were tomorrow: sex
5) impact on new year: SCG4 will be a direct function of waterbury
6) impact wotc: no, the inherent unstableness of combo combined with its vulnerability to hate cards will prevent it from being "dominant" in terms of wins.  the coin-flippy nature of these decks, however, combined with their gross lack of interactivity, and their reduction of the game to a bet on the opening hand will cause much debate and inspire an SCG article from at least one big name in the community who has been previously unpublished.

Whatever.  I won that game.


How many events on day 2 did you plan on doing ray?

I know this may sound boring, but I like the idea of having a second type 1 mox tourney on day 2.  I'd be sure to play in it.

I also liked the idea of the mental magic tourney.  Anyone know where I can find the definitive rules for that format?

CRON!!

Your victory over me at SCG was a farce!  Everyone knows that shortbus was set up that day.  You had your sleeper agent, Orlove, infiltrate our ranks, only to betray our hospitality and give you all the information you needed to confirm your deck selection.  

I can only imagine your meeting with him as he delivered what would ultimately become the true vanquisher of shortbus that day.

(For full effect click on this link and watch the intro to ninja gaiden2 as you read the passage below)

CHA1N5 stands on the balcony of his castle overlooking the mountain range that stands between Ohio and Virginia.  Claps of thunder and lightning light up the sky as if to foreshadow the upcoming battle.

CHA1N5 alien head shirt flows in the wind as the image pans over the horizon.  And Orlove drops down from his perch.

"My lord, Shortbus will be running aggro."

"Excellent, just as I thought.  What about Kowal?  You came down to Virginia with him.  Does he know of your betrayal?"

"He knows nothing yet."

"Good. For this you shall be rewarded, we shall give you the victory you desire as promised.  Continue the plan."

"What shall we do about Phantom Tape Worm, sire?"

"Leave him to me.  With this information, he should not present a problem, at least not for now.  Follow the plan exactly.  Now go."

"Yes sire."

Orlove leaps back off into the night leaving CHA1N5 to ruminate on his megalomaniac plan.

"...the time shall come..."

Lightning flashes, and the profile of PTW flashes across the screen.

"When vintage has become a Pro Tour format..."

Lightning flashes, and the profile of Smmenen flashes across the screen.

"All teams shall kneel before meandeck..."

Lightning flashes, and the profile of Atog Lord flashes across the screen.

"All shall hail me, CHA1N5, as their new vintage champion!"

"Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha!"  







Kevin Cron, your time has come.  Waterbury is but a month away, and I've been thirsty for your blood since SCG2.  Mark my words, Meandeck will pay for their treachery.

Oooooh!  Dis!



So capn, are you trying to very discretely ask me what sex is?  It's ok, you don't have to be shy about it.  You're among friends here, so there's no reason to be embarrassed of what you're feeling.  In fact, in this age of moral decline I find your innocence refreshing.  And I understand if you'd like to steer the conversation in that direction with me; it must be so difficult for you to keep things bottled in, especially when you have all these feelings that you don't quite understand or know how to express.  

Capn, you must be very confused right now, and I can certainly see how that may have occurred; but fear not, you aren't the only member of your team who has experienced these feelings for me.  Do not be ashamed, you can confide in them.  And just as they did with Hi-Val when he was initiated, you shall taste of the fruit from their trees of knowledge and the juices shall wash all over your face and mouth.  Then you will know the answer to all of your questions, and you will not be ashamed.

I am flattered that you would be compelled to ask me about sex, capn.  But I don't swing that way, and your feelings are misplaced.

Small tourney, only 14 people.

TOP 4:
Triple_S w/belcher
Jay w/kobald klamp
Gronx w/transmute artifact.dec
PTW w/sex

Top 2:
Triple_S w/belcher
PTW w/sex

WINNAR: PTW w/sex

HOTNESS!!  Now see if you can bring your blacksburg brethren.

He's my Hephaistion.  <3

Rich, I couldn't agree with you more.  These things have been done to death.  They're trite and contrived and let's be honest, now they're really just getting on everyone's nerves.  It's almost sad to see one of these threads these days, because you know it's just the same old:

"MY TEME IS TEH SO G00D!!!11  WE AER PWN INSIDE OF U IN MOUTH!  SEXY TIME"

And it's just gotten really tired.

With that in mind, I'm going to lead this thread in a different direction.  Trashtalking is so yesterday; what I want to do with this thread is swim against the current and try something totally different and new and exciting!  I want to go the opposite route, so instead of trying to trash talk the other teams, I want to prop them up.  I want take a team that I don't belong to, and instead of talking about how I'm going to deficate/urinate/sodomize on them, I'm going to hype them up as the bad ass mamma jamma's they are!!

Sound new and fun and exciting yet?  You're damn right, it does!


Let's start with Meandeck.  Meandeck is the shit!  
Meandeck is going to ruin everyone with their Mean decks!
Meandeck makes good decks better.
Meandeck has the best tech.
Meandeck defined the fundamental turn.
Meandeck crystallized the metagame
Meandeckers are the world's best-dressed magic players.
Meandeck coined the term "broken".
Meandeck invented playskill.
Meandeck controls the restricted list.
Meandeck is responsible for every deck in vintage.
Meandeck controls R&D.
Meandeck has never lost a game.
Meandeck conquered ancient china
Meandeck perfected the art of deep-throating.
Meandeck spread HIV
Meandeck invented the reach-around.
Meandeckers don't fart.  Instead they release an aura of soft white light energy that feels warm against the skin creating a halo about the head.
A lock of hair from a meandecker can be used to brew a potion for eternal youth.
When a Meandecker deficates, it is oderless and comes out a geometrically perfect cylinder.  In primitive cultures, it is venerated as a god.
Meandeckers can heal the sick with a touch from their penis while whispering "smmenen loves you"!


WOW!! I'm super pumped after that!  Forget trashtalking, extolling the greatness of meandeck kicks ass!

Count me in.

I can already tell it's gonna be a hell of a good time.

So much hot.  I'll be there and I'll be bringing NoVa with me.  Klep, you wouldn't happen to have a mailing list for the blacksburg t1 crowd would you?